Is this Packard worth 4 million?

[West Peterson]

1 minute ago, 1937hd45 said:

I've never seen a luggage rack extension, reformed hand railing or an authentic feature? 

It's a luggage rack bumper, for when the luggage rack is down. Authentic accessory.

[34LaSalleClubSedan]

17 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

I've never seen a luggage rack extension, reformed hand railing or an authentic feature? 

Trunk rack bumper when the car has a trunk on the back

[V16]

Here is a shot of the trunk rack bumper on a totally original car. When you had your expensive Packard Accessory trunk mounted to the rack which was in the down position this protected it from lousy drivers. I would guess that most damage was done when parking.

[CD9591]

Does anyone know the original color of the maroon car since the color is being brought into question ?

[edinmass]

3 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I've never seen a luggage rack extension, reformed hand railing or an authentic feature? 

Authentic……and stupid. Took it off a 32 Dietrich I was working on. Less is more.

[edinmass]

8 minutes ago, CD9591 said:

Does anyone know the original color of the maroon car since the color is being brought into question ?

I have no clue, but puke brown was very popular on the specials in 33 & 34.

[Aussi John 1]

No car is worth  four million, although some people may pay that for a car.

The Packard in the photo looks a little tied.

If I had that much to spend on cars, I would buy a 1931 CG Chrysler LeBaron Phaeton, a 1931 Studebaker 4seasons Roadster and if I had enough change, which I probably wouldn't I would buy an SJ Duesenberg, just so I could say I had one.

[George K]

18 minutes ago, edinmass said:

I have no clue, but puke brown was very popular on the specials in 33 & 34.

Tom Watts On a foggy night lyrics “You’ve been standing on the corner of 5th and Vermouth and you climb into the helm of a 1958 monkey sh*t  brown Buick Super and you’re on you way home.

[Brass is Best]

4 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I've never seen a luggage rack extension, reformed hand railing or an authentic feature? 

That is the trunk rack bumper. That would be the real deal.

[Brass is Best]

30 minutes ago, Aussi John 1 said:

No car is worth  four million, although some people may pay that for a car.

The Packard in the photo looks a little tied.

If I had that much to spend on cars, I would buy a 1931 CG Chrysler LeBaron Phaeton, a 1931 Studebaker 4seasons Roadster and if I had enough change, which I probably wouldn't I would buy an SJ Duesenberg, just so I could say I had one.

What is worth 4 million? If the restoration was fresh 5 or 6 would be more appropriate.

[Joe in Canada]

21 hours ago, arcticbuicks said:

40 years ago we would be asking is this thing really worth $20,000.

40 years from now we will be asking is this thing really worth  $20,000.

[wayne sheldon]

With this drift into horses, and horses trump all else? A story I need to tell.

I grew up in a rather large extended family, lots of aunts uncles and cousins, and we got together fairly often.

One of my uncles, by marriage, was a veterinarian. Not just a veterinarian, he was one of the heads of veterinary sciences and medicine at one of the top veterinary universities in the country! Beyond that, he was considered to be one of the top horse doctors in the world!  They (aunt, uncle, and their three kids) lived in Africa for about two years while he helped set up veterinary medical facilities for the wild animal preserves being set up in the 1960s (I was about eight at that time). The letters and photos they sent to us during those years were fascinating!

A few years before that, he wrote the book on "Lameness in Horses" that is still used by horse doctors to this day! However, since his death (too young) over thirty years ago, the more recent copies have been updated by others as procedures change slightly. All in all, he was one of those people that could do almost anything and do it greatly.

 

A day in his life, pretty much how he told it to us. Along with being one of the department heads, and a veterinarian, at a veterinary university, he also taught Graduate level classes.

One day, he was teaching his class, when there was a knock on the door, and there stood one of the heads of the whole university, telling him to grab his stuff. A step in substitute teacher was there to fill out the couple hours class, and a couple sheriff deputies (by the way, he was a sheriff's office volunteer, search and rescue, and even carried a badge!). NO time to pack! Don't go home and get ANYTHING, not even his passport! Anything he needed would be provided except for his own doctor's bag which he had with him!

Red lights, sirens, escort, the whole bit all the way to the Denver airport where a plane was being held up. All the way to the waiting commercial airliner and escorted onto the plane. The flight to New York was fast with special clearances straight in to land and taxi right next to another commercial airline being held up (remember, this was the 1960s! Private jets weren't common yet!). All the other passengers had to remain seated and their seat belts fastened while he was escorted off one plane and onto the other!

Next stop, London England! Again, straight in, special clearances, all other passengers had to remain seated with their seat belts fastened, as he was escorted off the plane, straight through customs to waiting officials (remember, he didn't even have his passport with him!)! Again escorted through the terminal, straight to a waiting motorcade, more lights and sirens (this time British style!)!

A member of the royal family had been practicing with one of their prize jumping horses, and fell! The horse had a broken leg.  

That he was able to save the horse was ALL he would say about the medical case. To his dying day, citing "doctor/patient privilege" he even refused to say what members of the royal family he met. He always said he could only reveal that if he had written permission written and signed by the horse!

Several years after he died too young, I was talking with one of my cousins, and asked her about it. She said he never even told any of his kids which Royals he met on that trip. He told them it was part of his oath, and he took it as a matter of honor to not reveal what he was sworn to not reveal. I had managed to phrase my question to him in such a way he let it out that he had saved the horse. She said he didn't even tell his kids that.

 

He would often if asked make comments about what the other people would have thought, the pomp and circumstance, motorcades. lights, sirens, waiting planes, for a HORSE DOCTOR! Passengers on the waiting planes were only told he was a doctor, a specialist, and it was an emergency! He of course was put in first class, and escorted the whole way.

 

It has been over forty years since he died, and more than fifty years since the events. It is a great story, and reveals a bit about humanity and his relationships with certain animals. I think the story should be told by now.

[1937hd45]

2 hours ago, edinmass said:

Authentic……and stupid. Took it off a 32 Dietrich I was working on. Less is more.

Just saw my second photo of one, if I find one at a swap meet should I leave it there? Then again it would be lighter than the V12 manifolds I have to find a home for. 

Edited January 18, 2023 by 1937hd45 (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

Thank you Wayne, Great story, from a time when things were so much better, hope that horse had a long and comfortable life. 

[Frank DuVal]

O. R. Adams Jr?

[Cadillac Fan]

2 hours ago, Aussi John 1 said:

No car is worth  four million, although some people may pay that for a car.

The Packard in the photo looks a little tied.

If I had that much to spend on cars, I would buy a 1931 CG Chrysler LeBaron Phaeton, a 1931 Studebaker 4seasons Roadster and if I had enough change, which I probably wouldn't I would buy an SJ Duesenberg, just so I could say I had one.

The person who buys this for four million usd already has those cars (if he/she wants them) and 20-40 other great cars.  It is not an either or for them.  
 

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by Cadillac Fan (see edit history)

[edinmass]

12 hours ago, West Peterson said:

It's a luggage rack bumper, for when the luggage rack is down. Authentic accessory.

I have an authentic luggage rack bumper, off a Custom Dietrich, available for sale if anyone would Ike to purchase it. Just PM me. It came off a 1932 904. Price is negotiable, and reasonable. It will bolt on a 100 point car.

[Dandy Dave]

Is it worth 4 Million. Short answer is no. Neither are the horses. But then if you have it, Flaunt it, comes into play. 🤩

Edited January 18, 2023 by Dandy Dave (see edit history)

[John_S_in_Penna]

2 hours ago, Dandy Dave said:

Is it worth 4 Million. Short answer is no. Neither are the horses. But then if you have it, Flaunt it, comes into play. 🤩

This thread tells me that, no matter what one's

assets are, there is always some material temptation

to consume them, whether it's a $100 collectible or a

sports team or a multi-billion dollar corporation.

 

Refreshingly, the truly wealthy people I have known

are all very modest.  They do no flaunting.  One man

drove a 1980 Chevrolet Chevette as his daily driver

for 19 years.

 

"Excellence without pretentiousness" is a good motto!

[Restorer32]

4 hours ago, edinmass said:

I have an authentic luggage rack bumper, off a Custom Dietrich, available for sale if anyone would Ike to purchase it. Just PM me. It came off a 1932 904. Price is negotiable, and reasonable. It will bolt on a 100 point car.

Those luggage rack bumpers were reproduced and were available until a few years ago.

[CD9591]

13 hours ago, edinmass said:

I have no clue, but puke brown was very popular on the specials in 33 & 34.

So would "puke brown" be better on this particular car for PB etc. ?

[SC38dls]

I bought a house that every room was puke brown. Believe me no one should ever buy anything that is puke brown unless you are planning on doing a whole lot of painting with your eyes closed. You just can’t look at that color for long!🤢

dave s 

[John Bloom]

2 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

This thread tells me that, no matter what one's

assets are, there is always some material temptation

to consume them, whether it's a $100 collectible or a

sports team or a multi-billion dollar corporation.

 

Refreshingly, the truly wealthy people I have known

are all very modest.  They do no flaunting.  One man

drove a 1980 Chevrolet Chevette as his daily driver

for 19 years.

 

"Excellence without pretentiousness" is a good motto!

John, I remember you telling that story and I loved it.  It reminded me of my dad who also drove a chevette to the office for 6/7 years.  He was a fan of "cheapest car that can get you there".  I must have gotten my love of great classic cars from my mother.  My dad could "squeeze a nickel"........ and then he became a grandpa.........and we speculate that aliens took over his mind and wallet..

 

I have had the good fortune to have lots of friends who are wealthy and also very kind and giving.  They inspire me and I have considered many of them mentors through my life.  

 

There are classy people at every economic level.

 

 

 

 

[packard12man]

Throughly enjoying the banter about the value of this car.  When the car is sold it in all likelihood it will go into a large collection.   When it come to the collecting disease it don't matter whether it's marbles, baseball cards or million dollar classics - it is the hunt, the chase and the purchase and you always want the full set.  in regards to this particular car, it is one of only three and the other two are in collections long term so this is your last chance.  STEP UP THE THE PLATE.  

TOO BAD THIS WASN'T TODAYS AD  

[edinmass]

 

Before you know it, instead of an asking of 11k as in the old ad, the asking number will be 11M!

[60FlatTop]

It is interesting to compare the custom body to the factory version like I had back in the 1970's. I little newer, but all those '30's car look alike.

 

Price for another like it ain't bad either.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266086782298?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D245062%26meid%3D84d5903302844962b5ad6a70c734060b%26pid%3D101111%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D225245029440%26itm%3D266086782298%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv10MetaCatCoviewsAndHighIDF%26brand%3DEntex&_trksid=p2047675.c101111.m2109&amdata=cksum%3A26608678229884d5903302844962b5ad6a70c734060b|enc%3AAQAHAAABANpayTgwwzngLL2ac5rOpFjYiRZjEf3nuHujzg5l4uKNgJAZujxfC46fm4OlnYmap1GIxlpe7TG7KRmCZGBpotZYgXBfcRuIPcq%2FCJxtNf0%2B4y7pqIX6FCQvvmMqM0LW5LpZwCxvpeLZSHbG0mkT2Pamc7KBiCkHfwB7G7UPpYt8V8H36pa2aR28i%2BO1E2doxFY5%2Bo1aTX3OyAAo3o6ZO6pX6xphbBv6FbVH4C77WAD4l%2BQmk5UPkFGOCK8yfTVLXWCy3qm1i6vR3SAcO5Acsg6luFMWlahTbFAZvbNqWPUD%2F7Zbl9JHEftBpE9jitjjoB69EM1NErASUR0gMImqUa8%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675

 

[CD9591]

On 1/17/2023 at 11:35 AM, edinmass said:

 

If the car was the original color, it would have been sold by now. 

Even if it was "puke brown" ?

[8E45E]

16 hours ago, edinmass said:

I have no clue, but puke brown was very popular on the specials in 33 & 34.

It's still 'babysh*t brown' in my books.

 

Craig

[1935Packard]

On the subject of CCCA cars generally, it's worth considering that for just 1% of the asking price of this car you can get a 1934 Packard Eight sedan -- around $40k, not $4 million.  So there's a 1934 Packard for every a lot of different budgets.

 

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf22/hershey/lots/r0086-1934-packard-eight-sedan/1285795

 

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by 1935Packard (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

I've got a question on the "Luggage Rack Bumper", I never studied physics, and was poor in math. With the rack folded open, and a trunk attached the overall length on the car is longer, TWO inches longer with the bumper vs no bumper. So the luggage rack bumpered car is stopped in traffic at a stop light. The car behind him comes to a screeching halt and taps the bumper, an item that took up the two inches need to not hit the car. Maybe they were not popular in the day since I've never seen any in real life of 60 years in the hobby. 

[West Peterson]

2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I've got a question on the "Luggage Rack Bumper", I never studied physics, and was poor in math. With the rack folded open, and a trunk attached the overall length on the car is longer, TWO inches longer with the bumper vs no bumper. So the luggage rack bumpered car is stopped in traffic at a stop light. The car behind him comes to a screeching halt and taps the bumper, an item that took up the two inches need to not hit the car. Maybe they were not popular in the day since I've never seen any in real life of 60 years in the hobby. 

I think I missed the question.

[1937hd45]

5 minutes ago, West Peterson said:

I think I missed the question.

If the bumper on the luggage rack isn't there, there  is 2 inch clearance between the car and the one behind it with locked up brakes trying to stop. Think of it as a pickup with a load of 8 foot long 2x4 vs 10 foot long ones if that gives a better picture. 

[SC38dls]

Based on that thinking wouldn’t it be even better if he just moved up two feet to give the turkey slamming on his brakes more room? Or better yet not even be on the same road? 
dave s 

[West Peterson]

9 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

If the bumper on the luggage rack isn't there, there  is 2 inch clearance between the car and the one behind it with locked up brakes trying to stop. Think of it as a pickup with a load of 8 foot long 2x4 vs 10 foot long ones if that gives a better picture. 

No. You said you had a question. I didn't see the question.

[1935Packard]

7 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I've got a question on the "Luggage Rack Bumper", I never studied physics, and was poor in math. With the rack folded open, and a trunk attached the overall length on the car is longer, TWO inches longer with the bumper vs no bumper. So the luggage rack bumpered car is stopped in traffic at a stop light. The car behind him comes to a screeching halt and taps the bumper, an item that took up the two inches need to not hit the car. Maybe they were not popular in the day since I've never seen any in real life of 60 years in the hobby. 

 

I assumed the "threat model" was just tapping the cars during parking, especially on city streets.  If the luggage rack is down, and with the luggage rack bumper, you make contact with the bumper, and no damage occurs. Without it, you can bend the luggage rack or break it off the frame, as it's the rear-most part of the car with the luggage rack down.

[wayne sheldon]

Just a thought on my part? Above it is said that those luggage bumpers were an official accessory offered by the Packard dealers in the era. It was also mentioned by a couple people that good reproductions were made and sold by and for hobbyists a few decades back.

It has been pointed out that not a whole lot of them are seen on truly original cars, or apparently seen in era photos? I get the impression that these may be in the same category as chrome stone guards on so many Classics as well as model A Fords? They also were reproduced, and very nicely so, in large numbers back in the 1950s through 1980s. As someone that very often studies the details in era photos, I don't see a whole lot of stone guards in them!

The fact is that hobbyists have always wanted something to set their car apart from all the rest! They love adding "era" accessories, even if those accessories were actually not popular back in the days!

 

I will admit that I do like the chrome stone guards on some of the big Classics. I also think they look great without them. As for model A Fords? I know the stone guards were made and sold back when the model A was new! I have seen some of the original advertisements, and even a few (VERY few!) era photos showing them. 

Frankly? I like the model A much better without the stone guards.

 

I suspect there are more big Classics with fancy chrome stone guards on them today than there were in say 1932. I would almost bet money (I m NOT a betting person!) there are more model As with stone guards on the radiator today than there were in 1932.

The same is probably true for that trunk bumper.

 

I like my antique to look like it was ripped right out of an era photograph!

But that is just me.

[prewarnut]

No one is asking what's under the tarp to the right....🙄

[8E45E]

10 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

If the bumper on the luggage rack isn't there, there  is 2 inch clearance between the car and the one behind it with locked up brakes trying to stop. Think of it as a pickup with a load of 8 foot long 2x4 vs 10 foot long ones if that gives a better picture. 

Does this also apply to rear-mounted spare tires, which was an option on some cars?

 

Craig

[Avanti Bill]

On 1/17/2023 at 8:53 AM, edinmass said:

 

You're way out of touch..........and there are mutiple cars that have traded over five M years ago.

No doubt I am.

[TAKerry]

I just saw on the news that a ticket to a soccer match sold for 2.? million!! Makes this car seem like a bargain😁