wayne sheldon

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  1. I wish! My family has made me way to broke to get anything decent. I am afraid my lowly model T projects will need to suffice for now. So very many years ago, my dad bought a 1928 Buick Master four-door sedan project. Unfortunately, he was never good at following through with things, so it never was restored. Shortly after he passed, we gave it to a collector that specialized in vintage General Motors, so who knows? It was not nearly so nice, but the remains of the interior had that pattern mohair. Later, I had several friends with '20s Buick closed cars that had nice original interiors. A couple of them with that material. However, yours looks to have one of the finest original interiors I have seen. And I have seen some nice ones.
  2. Many years ago, I had a series 80 Pierce Arrow four-door sedan. I loved that car. Toured it for several years. Truly a pleasure to drive. However, when my wife and I bought our "first house"", we had to sell the car. If that hadn't taken the car from me, any of several things that came along in the years that followed would have. Personally, I like sedans, and coupes. I have had several of both bodies from the nickel era over the years, and would really like to have another. In the meantime, an open model T will have to do. I have always enjoyed seeing the enclosed cars at shows, and on tours!
  3. Good family should be cherished as much as one can, while one can. I can see you have some good family there. Day by day, enjoy the lucid moments. Remember the better days. Make the best you can with time you have left. If I ever get my project looking like a real car, I will try to post a few pictures.
  4. Those Buicks had the most incredible looking mohair upholstery! I have seen several with the remains enough to be amazed by how beautiful it was! I have seen a few that were good enough to preserve and enjoy. But I cannot recall ever seeing one look as wonderful as this one does.
  5. vl2, I have read many comments about your dad here. Good to see a picture of him. Mental issues are particularly sad and difficult to deal with. You have my sympathies. By the way. Grass Valium here today hit 80 degrees!. I may yet get my project painted.
  6. I love it! Wish I could find a way to buy something like that. As to realistic value? An old friend of mine passed away about fifteen years ago. Among his cars were a couple late '20s Packard sixes. One of them was bought by a money-grubbing investor. A couple (maybe three or four now?) years ago, it came on the market again. A '28 (maybe '29) if I recall correctly, mostly original sedan with a mediocre '60s paint job. Otherwise, a very decent car. The investor marketed the car, listing after listing on eBad. The price started out at over $30K. Went down, and down, month after month, lower and lower. I really would have loved to have gotten it, but I am WAY too broke. But I watched. Decent, running, tourable. Took about a year. It finally sold, for just UNDER $10K. With the current interest in "true original survivor" cars, I suspect this one should go for somewhat more.
  7. There is a lot to like around here! And some? Not so much. A lot of wonderful back roads! Most of them separated by local highways not very agreeable to a model T Ford. On the other hand, many of the locals don't drive their modern cars much faster than a model T can go anyhow. When we moved here a bit over thirteen years ago, I knew the mountainside wasn't a great place for fruit trees and vegetable gardens. Now, my little acre has way over a hundred trees on it. Black oaks from huge century plus, to still small twenty year-olds. Ponderosa pines way over a hundred feet tall! Dozens of other "small" pine and fir trees (if you think thirty to fifty feet tall is "small"?), and more struggling to reach the sunlight. Also about a dozen cedar trees, plus hundreds of cedar seedlings popping up all over the place. My house cannot be seen from Google Earth! Too many trees. It is a bit difficult to find even from the street. But I wanted a few fruit trees anyway, so I planted some. Of course my "black thumb" didn't help any. Clearly, my grandfather's farming genes got lost along the way. However, it almost never failed, as the trees grew, and they began to blossom? Almost every year, within three days of the blossoms opening? We got a torrential rain or hail storm. In ten years, I got three edible peaches, and one good pear. The deer tried harder and ate the apple tree in spite of the wire mesh around it.
  8. And in Grass Valium, Califunny, a few days ago, we had our annual torrential rains that knock all the blossoms off the fruit trees!
  9. Please do not throw it out! I would pay reasonable mailing costs to have a spare if others have backed out. I do already have a few spare parts, so I don't really need it. But if I do ever get the Paige back onto the road, I could need a few more spare pieces.
  10. Califunny is SO wonderful! (Excuse me now while I go puke!) Because they are so efficient and reliable (retch), I have several times had to fight with the state, a few fights that lasted for years, over state errors claiming my legally "non-oped" vehicle had been seen on a public street. No matter that my legally non-oped vehicle had never been within a hundred miles of the location, or that my vehicle was a Chevrolet while the offending vehicle was clearly noted as being a Dodge (one time was a Toyota!). The state offered NO recourse other than to pay nearly a thousand dollars in fees and penalties for what was CLEARLY a bookkeeping error on their part! The one bright (?????) spot is they have made me almost an expert on one thing. ABSOLUTELY NO (nada, none!) part of an unregistered vehicle is allowed to touch the ground on any part of a public roadway! But you can haul almost anything on a legally licensed car hauler/trailer, provided it is loaded on private property.
  11. "Soon we may start seeing the “European” attitude of collector car restoration and collection standards......a ten to fifteen footer that runs and drives great. Whether one sees this as positive or negative is another story......." This hobby is huge enough, that there should be room for both approaches to restoration and use. Neither should put-down the other. I do think both approaches should work towards more correctness based upon how the cars were done originally. Modern colors, improper type upholstery materials, and wrong era accessorizing looks bad on both extremes of restoration and use. Me? I prefer twenty footers and cruising down the quiet roads. (as long as they are mostly era correct in appearance.) (And I apologize, I just HAD to correct your spelling error inside my quotes.)
  12. I do LOVE stories like this!! (If it turns out to be April Fool, I will be VERY upset!) Personally, I am totally disgusted with the whole "numbers matching" shtick. It is supposed to mean something, that the car is a real surviving original something or other. Yet there are restorers that specialize in taking rusted out hulks, keeping the firewall, doorjamb, some engine parts, and replacing EVERYTHING else. Then selling it as a "numbers matching car. Meaningless at that point. People go gaga over common '30s cars which 90 percent of them still have their original engines just because they were seldom ever changed! They go nuts about '10s and '20s cars claiming "NUMBERS MATCHING" for cars that had only one serial number ever! Or making the claim on cars that had two serial numbers, that never did match, even from the factory! With only a some exceptions, in some years, muscle cars, sports cars, full custom classics, where it does mean something, "numbers matching" is mostly marketing hoo-ha and buzz words. That is my disgruntled opinion. All that said. I love it when an antique car can defy the odds and get its original engine back!
  13. The only time I ever approached 90 mph while driving was about thirty years ago. I was one of the first three vehicles to come upon an accident scene involving a motorcyclist with head and neck injuries. Nobody had a cell phone. A quick conference, and I was elected to drive to the nearest pay phone, about two miles away. The motorcyclist was saved. There are a thousand legitimate reasons, all sorts of accident avoidance issues, health and safety demands, and emergencies of all sorts, why one must exceed legal speed limits. But hey? Maybe that motorcyclist would rather have died in the two minutes I saved getting his medical attention. Somewhere between the extremes, is intelligent reason. But I think we know that politics today has NOTHING to do with intelligent reason.
  14. All of the model Ts appear to be between 1919 and 1922. Many of the other cars (including the Maxwell I see the back end of) appear to be from the same era. A few of the cars appear to be late '10s with the earliest about 1916 or '17 (really hard to tell with all the decorations in the way?). Clothing styles all appear to be from about the same time-frame. Women's dresses and hats look to be a carryover from the late '10s, before the flapper era.
  15. Definitely not a Cadillac. More likely a Chevrolet. But I m not even sure about that one.
  16. One needs to be very careful with these hoods! Because they CAN be unlatched and lifted off completely, people that do not understand them will unlatch both sides and try to open the hood only to have it slide down the fender! Years ago, I watched (from a distance) in horror as I saw people do that. Really makes a mess of the fender's paint! Somehow I found myself in that position several times at swap meets and car shows. I never had one of those Buicks, but somehow I had learned of the hood system when very young. I found myself screaming at people several times at various meets to prevent them from damaging a car they were looking at. I still don't know why some people think they have the right to open everything on a car they don't know about when the owner isn't there watching it, just because it has a "for sale" sign on it.
  17. Mark Wetherbee, Do you know how long that left side panel was made in two pieces? I knew about the manufacturing troubles that delayed introduction of the '15 style open cars, and that early ones used two pieces put together instead of a one piece stamping. I have never heard exactly how long that "fix" was used. I am always trying to learn more about these things. And part of my interest is that I am working on restoring one myself. I totally agree that this car looks to be mostly an original real car, restored, and a really good deal for the money! I wish I could afford to buy it. It would be smarter than restoring the one I have. But for me, my "pile" will have to do. At least it is from an original early '15, however far from a complete car when a friend of mine got it. The body has the original date coded plate like the one shown above for the subject car. Mine is date coded February '15. And yes, my left side panel was also made in two pieces, seamed at the rear of the fake door lines. This is a nice looking car! I hope it gets a good home. It would be nice if I can get mine on the same HCCA tour as this one some day. Mine will be the worse one.
  18. This is an issue throughout the collector car hobby that I get passionate about. And I do tend to be on the less populated side. As background and illustration of my point of view, when I was fifteen, and just getting into this hobby (1967), I joined several of the major national clubs to get and read their magazines so that I could find my niche. For a short time, I was a member (non-active) of the CCCA. Frankly, for me, Most CCCA cars were simply too modern. The more I looked, the more I knew that I really wanted Horseless Carriage and into the mid '20s cars. Between that, and the fact that I could not in any way afford a decent CCCA car, I dropped that club after a few years. I still like them, and I very much respect their place in the collector car hobby. If I could afford it, I would probably have a CCCA car and participate in the club somewhat (many of my best friends do!). At this point, since I cannot afford the cars I really want, I am certainly not going to pursue a car I cannot afford that isn't what I really want. So why does my opinion matter? The HCCA is always debating the flip side of this issue. "Should we allow newer cars as active members in the HCCA?" I am always quick to say a resounding "NO!" The clubs should be formed around the needs and interactions of the cars. Cars manufactured before about 1916 NEED special attention. They NEED tours designed around their limitations. They NEED experts familiar with how to repair them and maintain them. Some people in the HCCA believe that the '15/'16 cutoff is actually later than it should be. I would say I can agree with that, however today we have to work with what was decided half a century ago. So I argue to keep it as it is, and it does work fine. But if newer cars were allowed? I expect that tours would mostly become too difficult for some of the smaller HCCA cars. The situation is basically the same for the CCCA. Frankly, I have seen a few clubs before become "more inclusive", only to run off and leave the cars and members they had behind. Another example of what I see as the error of the thinking. In the San Francisco Bay Area, there used to be several HCCA Regional Groups (most of them are still around). Regional Groups are allowed by the National to set their own cutoff years for local events. What I find interesting, is that the largest and most active of those groups is a "strict pre'16" group. They have good turnouts of brass era cars, very active members, and quite a few member families that are much younger than I have become! There used to be, just a Bay Bridge drive away, another Regional Group, that allowed cars up to about 1930 for their local events. But they disbanded about twenty years ago because they couldn't maintain an active membership. So much for allowing newer cars to solve the membership problem. Although I am not a member, and my opinion doesn't count for much? I feel that the CCCA has watered down their classifications too much already. While there were a few marques and models that many years ago maybe should have been added, and I might even agree that certain cars that a 1925 model was an accepted CCCA classic, the '24 or '23 of the nearly the same model maybe should have been allowed. My feeling is that they have stretched it a bit too far already. As I have said in many such discussions on this subject, "Drawing that perfect-for-all line in the sand is not difficult. It is IMPOSSIBLE!" Both clubs have the same problem. Where should that line be drawn? No place you put it will be right and fair for all. As for the Chrysler model here in question? I do not know the cars well enough to have a meaningful opinion and would willingly defer to Matt H's opinion. Although I do agree that they look beautiful!
  19. Two different photos, and two different cars. Radiator's top shape is the clearest difference. Both are however Sizaire-Naudin. I do not know, however I believe that the first (upper) photo is the later of the two cars. An interesting bit of history about the Sizaire Naudin is that they were one of the couple entrants into the 1908 New York to Paris race that did not get very far. If I recall correctly, they dropped out after the first or second day. Although their single cylinder and lightweight cars with their unique front suspension were often raced in Europe and performed very well there, they were caught unprepared for America's lack of roads.
  20. When I was much younger, about 45 years ago, I got to look closely at a (if I recall correctly) 1921 American touring car. It had had a marginal cosmetic "restoration", was mostly a solid original survivor, of a very rare low production car. Very few remain. One of the unusual details I remember about the car was the rather large cast aluminum eagle that graced the top front of the radiator shell. I thought the price was reasonable for the time, but could not afford it. I was pleased when a private collector I knew decided it was just too rare and original to not be preserved. This fellow owned numerous wonderful cars, including a Simplex, '27 Packard roadster, McFarlan, and even a very early Thomas among quite a few more very nice cars. He kept his collection in several different buildings scattered around the area. Unfortunately, his neighboring business in one of the buildings was careless and burned the building to the ground. Five very good and valuable cars were a total loss. The American touring car was the least valuable car in the building. However, it could well be considered the biggest loss in terms of automotive history in that building. The Simplex and Mercer were also lost, but I know of several others of those. I have never seen another one of those American cars in person, and only I think one on the internet.
  21. You may want to offer this advice to any potential buyer. Or maybe do this yourself. However, some people (including me), would prefer to see the area first, then do the minor repair themselves so that they can know what is being repaired rather than just hope it was done right. As long as the wood appears to be good and solid (no rot), that split is not a big deal. Using a small pick, maybe a small razor cleaning brush, and an air hose to blow all the dirt and dust out first. Mix and apply some good epoxy into the cracks, roll around slowly to flow into the various areas. Then use three modern stainless (worm gear) hose clamps of appropriate size (have these ready and waiting before applying the epoxy). Tighten all three hose clamps over and over again until they will tighten no more. Wipe off the excess that squeezes out. Allow to dry. Generally, removing the hose clamp is not too difficult (although you may bend it drastically in the process). Some sanding and paint preparation will be needed. The reason this is not a serious flaw, is that the outer inch or so of spoke length is the least stressed area of the spoke. Most of the leverage/purchase stress is near the hub end of the spoke. The two collapsible split rims may or may not fit the wheels. Careful expanding of them may make it easy to determine if they might fit or not. I do not know what DeSoto used for rims at that time. Someone else may be able to answer that. The four snap rings are for a different type of multi-part split rim. Many trucks, and a few cars, did use that type of two or three part split rims during the '20s and early '30s. The rings may be as valuable alone as the wheels are. Those rings can be dangerous if not handled correctly while mounting onto the rims they are used on. Properly handled, they are fairly safe, and people familiar with them often need better rings than they have. I actually do need some rings of that type. So I should ask what you would want for them? I am located about an hour North of Sacramento.
  22. Ed, I had to laugh! The one time in my life I actually told my wife (going on 42 years now!) to "keep your mouth shut!" was on an Endurance Run with an open wheel racing car (just a model T) when a herd of cattle was driven onto the road right in front of us! We had to follow that herd for about a mile, and I never did get the stains out of our coveralls!
  23. Back in those days, oil wasn't quite as good as today's modified creations, most engines lacked pressure oiling to everything, most roads were very dirty if they were even paved at all creating dust that got into everything. Automobiles required regular oiling of starter and generator bushings, distributor shafts, spring shackles, speedometer cables, and sometimes any of a dozen other things. Some things according to the owner's and maintenance manuals required oiling every day! This was mostly to flush out the road dust. However, most of those things even today should be given a squirt or two every few local drives, or hundred miles. Some items even back in the day had fifty, hundred, two hundred, or five hundred (or other?) mile interim oilings. These should still be followed somewhat. Some people use chain or bar oil in many of those places. It is stickier and requires adding or flushing less often. In some places, chain and/or bar oil being stickier can collect dust more easily, therefore, in some locations it may be a bad idea. Any oil, especially sticky oil, mixed with fine dust becomes an abrasive compound suitable for lapping valves into a block. You can guess how destructive it can be for a distributor bushing. The simple reason for those oil can holders on the firewall is simply a convenient place to keep a filled and ready oil can for the routine maintenance. A few cars had such holders from the factory. Most of them were an after-market add-on.
  24. Many years ago I had a few. Some from the '30s, '40s, & '50s. And a couple from the '10s and '20s, including a wood wheeled Iverson. My hope was to restore several of them to use with my cars. Then one day, a bicycle hobbyist came by (after talking with my brother) and offered me more money than I thought they were worth. Since I needed the money (one of the kids had run up a hospital bill), I let them go. I do still have a couple items that I didn't have at the time I sold those ones. One, an old cast aluminum McClatchy (sp?) child's Tri-Bike. An interesting thing that can be assembled either as a two or three wheeler for a small child. The other, has some interesting history. My mother (who just celebrated her 89th birthday), was very sick as a child. When she started into high school, during the WWII, she needed to travel about a mile to meet the school bus to go to the nearest town (Modesto CA) that had a high school. So, her parents had to ask permission from the War Rations Board to buy a new bicycle for her. Now, they were farmers. Thousnds of those cans of peaches that soldiers got sick and tired of eating were from my grandfather's hundred acres (I laugh everytime I see a WWII movie and someone makes a snide remark about those "Canned peaches again!"). Therefore, they were generally allowed a bit more than some other people were because their farming supported the troops overseas and here. So my mother was granted a new bicylce, a genuine wartime super lightweight (had to conserve every ounce of steel for the needed war effort!), wheel rims and handlebars painted black, very plain, and very simple. I have had that one since my brother passed away a few years ago. I do need to try to restore it.