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wayne sheldon

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  1. Simply beautiful! And it looks right!
  2. One of my longtime best friends and antique car buddies was a Navy veteran. One of his all time favorite movies was "Two Tars"(1928). "American Graffiti" as written was semi autobiographical, and based upon actual people and events that took place in Modesto California. My mother grew up in the farming country just outside Modesto, however, had moved out about ten years earlier. She did know some of the families and people involved. "The Roar of the Crowd" (otherwise known as "The Crowd Roars") starring James Cagney and Joan Blondell, has been one of my favorite car movies for a very long time.
  3. The history of aluminum is almost hard to believe. It is one of the most common elements on Earth! It can be found almost anywhere there is land. Although it has been known of for hundreds of years, it wasn't until the middle of the 1800s that any practical way to refine or process the metal was discovered. It wasn't until near the late 1800s that aluminum began being used in significant quantities. For several years, the company that used more aluminum than anybody else in the world was the H. H. Franklin Manufacturing Company, the company that became Franklin motorcars! In the late 1890s, they were casting hundreds of products and selling all over the world. The alloys, and casting processes, were still in their infancy at the turn of 1900. And H. H. Franklin was leading the way. Only a few years later, many automobiles were using cast aluminum in engines and automobiles. As the processes improved, and the ubiquitous metal remained relatively cheap as well as easy to work with, aluminum was used for so much more than crankcases. Floorboards for many cars were being cast by 1905. And, eventually, several cars including Pierce Arrow were casting most of the whole body of the car! Casting was tricky in those days. If the metal isn't hot enough, it won't flow into the mold properly, and the metal will have to be recycled. If the metal is a bit too hot? The casting may look fine, but the result be porous and/or brittle. A longtime good friend has a Simplex that he got a good deal on about thirty years ago because the original transmission case was porous and brittle. It was a very nice high quality restoration, however, the transmission case had been broken and welded numerous times, and was broken again. He had consulted with a few other owners of mid 1910s Simplex automobiles, and found that nearly all of them had brittle transmission cases and been welded several times. It cost almost $30,000 (not exaggerating!) to have patterns made, new housing and covers cast, and machined for the car! The car is incredible, and he has said it was worth the cost to fix it. It wasn't until the 1920s that enough advances in alloys and casting methods had improved enough to even consider making rods out of aluminum. World War two R&D advanced the technology even further.
  4. There were literally hundreds of makes of cars in the nearly fifteen years those could be part of (roughly 1914 to 1930). And many of those hundreds of makes had many dozens of models across those years! So short of someone with a specific make and model of car seeing one and telling what you have? Identification of them is a huge undertaking. They do have some value to restorers however. Quite often the steel frames have been exposed to weather for too many years and rusted through from the inside. Restorers often need a similar frame to alter to fit, or take sections of to repair what he has and needs. I custom altered a frame once to fit a car I was restoring that was missing the entire windshield. Such frames are usually not worth a lot of money. But unfortunately way too many of them have been scrapped because people didn't want to bother with them. So finding good ones has become difficult in the past decade or so. It would be nice if they could find their way to a hobbyist or dealer that would make them reasonably available to someone that would have a good use for one (or more). The one on the viewer's right in the top photo is most likely from a 1915 to 1922 model T Ford, the top 'half' of the windshield. I would need to see the bolt holes on the outer edge near the clips that hold the glass into place to be certain, or more precise. I have a 1915, and a couple extra windshield upper halves. In 1917, the precise location of the hinge mounting holes were moved about two inches. The one on the viewer's left in the same photo may also be a later model T Ford upper 'half'. I don't have a 'later' model T so cannot be certain about that one. There were numerous other cars that used something very similar. The middle one I do not think is a Ford.
  5. I may get offensive to some out there? Unfortunately, most people today are sheep. They want to buy what someone tells them they should want buy. They do not care about nor appreciate history, and couldn't care less if all antique automobiles were buried in the dump. However, that is the world we live in. And prices for the more common or lesser condition antique automobiles reflect that. PS, I have been in the hobby since I was fifteen, nearly 55 years ago.
  6. A very respectable speed for a small car of the 1920s! I for one enjoy seeing cars, tours, and activities, from around the world. You always do a fine job sharing your photos and I enjoy seeing them.
  7. A lot of wonderful cars! I love that 1915/1920 Renault. The two 1920s Citroens were nearly as impressive. I like early cars! Many others were very interesting. The petroliana collection was very impressive! Thank you for sharing these photos.
  8. Just for kicks and giggles, check out this thread on this forum. Dean Yoder for several years used a trailer with camping gear. Now he has a model T with the camping gear incorporated into it. Dean has been touring all over the continental United States for quite a few years now. He is generally regarded as the master of T traveling! However, there are a few people hoping to catch up with him. Several small groups have annual tours to way out of the way places. One group about a year ago spent a couple weeks touring all around Nevada and Utah. They spent days in Death Valley, and more days going through most of the National Parks and monuments in Utah. They camped the whole trip. The trailer Dean's friend is towing is larger than what most T people use. The joke that goes around it that Dean has driven his T to 49 states. The only reason he hasn't driven to the 50th state is they haven't built the bridge yet! https://forums.aaca.org/topic/366099-follow-dean-yoder-as-he-travels-the-two-lane-in-his-model-t/?tab=comments#comment-2248266
  9. Most of these type trailers were home made or farm built during the 1920s and 1930s. A small percentage may have been factory made or local craftsman offerings. Automobile parts suppliers offered parts such as fenders and hitches for those that didn't want to make those pieces themselves. Model T Ford people tend to like such trailers more than any other area of the hobby. Many active model T people tour extensively, and some go on long camping excursions, either alone, or in groups. However, most model T people are notoriously cheap. So even there the prices won't be a lot. Nice trailers do sometimes sell in the four to six hundred dollar range. Others, might be lucky to get one hundred. The likely best place for an easy sale at a fair price is the MTFCA forum classifieds. It has the widest audience of people crazy enough to actually want one.
  10. Background. When I was fifteen, well over fifty years ago now, my dad bought a 1927 Paige intended to be the 'family project'. It was the small Paige for that year, the Paige automobile's last year before becoming Graham Paige. My model 6-45 Paige was what had been intended to be the Jewett for 1927 before they rebadged the model as a Paige in hopes of increasing sales. My dad being what he was, the car never got restored, and eventually became mine. Since that time, I have done some work on the car, but have lacked the resources to do a decent restoration. Because of that car, I have had an interest in both Paige and Jewett automobiles for a long time now. I recall reading something of this amulet a long time ago. I believe it was mentioned in a book I checked out from a library nearly fifty years ago (I checked out a LOT of books in those days!). However, I do not recall what book it may have been, and didn't see much more about it for many years. Some time ago, maybe fifteen to twenty years ago, on the internet, I ran into this tale again. However again, little in the way of details or facts were being shared. Bighara, I knew I had once yet again recently seen an inquiry about this. As I routinely check the Graham and Paige threads farther down in the AACA forum listings about once or twice a month (not much activity there unfortunately), I had to go looking to find your inquiry. You chose to attach it in an unrelated thread about the former Jewett website, which was unfortunately going nowhere. It might (probably not?) have done better if you had started a new thread and properly titled it about the mysterious amulet. I parenthesis the 'probably not' because a few previous threads on the subject (one of them actually started by me!) had never gotten anywhere. In the past, a couple (claimed?) Jewett owners have said that their car has the amulet. However, I cannot recall any of them ever showing a picture of it. That in and of itself does not mean they didn't have a car, nor that the amulet doesn't exist. A lot of people on antique automobile type websites are not adept at computer functions. Probably half of us have never posted a photo! I also recall someone saying it is pictured in a Jewett owners manual. Again, no shared pictures, and one person saying it is there against a dozen or more saying it isn't in their manuals places that claim in the 'maybe not' file. Personally, I would like to see this resolved. Not that it is any big thing. If true, it would be an interesting tidbit in automobile history! If not true at all, it would be a footnote in the land of urban legends. And, maybe a few Jewetts did have such a thing? There are a tremendous amount of fascinating stories attached to our beloved automobiles.
  11. I have been reading this thread off and on since minutes after Jim's Original Post about 36 hours ago. And I have been wondering what tale I could tell. Problem is, there are just so many memorable rides. And here, I am thinking of 'rides', not drives. In years past, I have been very fortunate to know several major collectors, active hobbyists, and friends or other associates with interesting cars. I have ridden in a friend's 1907 Thomas Flyer (not THE Thomas Flyer!). Several Rolls Royces, I lost count on the Pierce Arrows. Or maybe it would be my cousin's car about 1975ish? He had always had a penchant for fast muscle cars. After a few Mustangs, he totaled two of them, one of them three times, and way too many tickets, he got a Ford Torino. I don't know what that Torino had in it, but I rode with him one time going home from a big family picnic. Going up a steep winding highway in the Santa Cruz CA mountains at a leisurely pace, he showed me what the car could do. At about 60 mph going up a steep hill, he floored it! In seconds, we were doing well over 80! Short but memorable. When I was about three, or maybe four, my dad was sick for a couple months. My mother didn't drive, so she had to 'borrow' rides from friends for various things. This would have been about 1956. One friend she got a ride from was in a Volkswagen. First time I saw one up close. I remember that one very well. Or maybe the time while I was in high school. We went to a local car show (called a concours, but not like they are today). My dad had known Jack Passey (and his brother Bill) since college days, and Jack had several cars at the show. He was short one driver, so he asked my dad if he would mind driving one of his cars back to Jack's shop. My mother was driving by then, so she drove the family station wagon, while dad and I took the Lincoln model K coupe back to Jack's place! (Such a WONDERFUL and quiet car!) I could easily name a couple dozen other cars. The Pope Portola roadster (what an INCREDIBLE car!), the 1904 Oldsmobile French front rear entrance tonneau (I rode in the back!) The only true rumble seat I ever rode in was my own 1929 Reo sport coupe (with my dad driving!). I would really like to spend about three days on a major club tour riding in a rumble seat. But I haven't been able to figure out how to drive and ride at the same time?
  12. I have been away for a few hours, and looking back in here to see how you were doing. Congratulations! As I read down from my previous post, I saw that you do indeed have what appears to be a proper Dodge Brothers speedometer. I am so glad that you have found the problem.
  13. Is there anything that makes you think this speedometer is the right one for your Dodge Brothers? I am not that familiar with Dodge Brothers cars, however, I know quite a number of people that have them, and I have never heard of this problem before. The side of the car the driver sits on does not change the direction of the speedometer. So, no, export to Australia is not part of the problem. I would suspect the speedometer you have is not correct for the car. It could be possible for the gearing inside the transmission to have been change to something incorrect? But that is unlikely.
  14. Two practical ways to look at the value of that prize today. The inflation calculator per google says the dollar today is worth about thirty times the dollar in 1900. So that fifty dollar prize becomes about $1500. Grass Valley was at that time one of the world's centers of gold mining. A lot of history around here surrounding that. The price of gold around 1900 was about $20 per ounce. So $50 in gold would have been about two and a half ounces. Todays price of gold is about $1800 per ounce (again per google), so those two and a half ounces would be worth about $4500. Wonderful letter and look into history! Sure a lot gaiety in those days. I always enjoy these tidbits you share!
  15. Nothing unique about it. A common Bosch distributor for model T Ford. Tens of thousands of them were made and sold. Most of them are broken, or worn out. Good ones are somewhat desirable. Broken ones may be useful to someone trying to fix one, but they aren't worth much money.
  16. Curious. I hope someone can identify it. Does it have a reverse? The casting to me doesn't look that early. The numbers are sharp and clear. In other ways, the handle and latch/dog mechanism does look like it could be fairly early.
  17. 99 percent sure it is for a Fordson tractor. The car/truck units are much shorter. That unit on a T or TT would stick out the side of the hood. A tractor unit could be adapted to a model T, they used the same timer. But fitting could be a bit of a problem, and brackets would have to be made.
  18. If it is actually a two speed unit, it is somewhat rare. But not very desirable. Most Muncie units for model Ts and TT trucks have under, direct, and overdrive for forward. Nearly all such Muncie units also have a reverse gear, unlike most other auxiliary transmissions for model Ts. The kicker is that Muncie also made some units to fit a model T or TT that had a first, second, and direct third. It can be quite disappointing to pay the bucks for a Muncie, then get it home and find it does NOT have the desired overdrive. (Never happened to me, but I know a couple people that did that!) The UDO Muncies are one of the preferred auxiliary transmissions for model Ts. They are fairly well made, have a good ratio overdrive, and shift as well as any and better than some. And some people (including me!) like the reverse they have. Muncie did also make a two speed unit. They were almost always direct and underdrive. While they can be useful, people tend to prefer the Ruckstell or some of the smaller rear driveshaft units. I have never known anyone myself that had a Muncie two speed. I don't know how good or bad they may be. Warford also made a two speed unit. I have known a few people that had those, and they tend to be junk! Whether the Muncie two speed is better than the Warford two speed or not? I do not know. I do know some people that have been burned on the Warford units and are not likely to consider the Muncie two speed. Most T owners wanting Warfords or Muncies (or Chicagos or Jumbo Giants) want them for the overdrive either in a TT that really needs it, or for a speedster so they can cruise at highway speeds. I have over the years had several of them. And I like to cruise near 70 mph in a speedster! I also had an overdrive in a TT I had years ago. It could do 40 mph with it. You should pull the top off of it, and check the gears. Determine for sure whether it is a two speed or UDO with reverse, and its condition. The model T clutch wasn't great, and many people never learned how to shift these things properly. A lot of model T auxiliary transmissions are totally beat to death inside. If it is a two speed unit? Figure out for certain if it is and under or over drive. While MOST two speed units were under and direct, once in a rare while an overdrive unit does show up. Those, in good condition, can be desirable.
  19. Like a lot of people here, I am always please to read positive updates of cars discussed in past years. Very glad to hear that you are making good progress! However, I can't help you with the video posting. I never figured that out either. Thank you for the update.
  20. The tree was doing only fifteen miles per hour?
  21. I thought it would be Kelly Park! I haven't been there in way too many years. Never been to the 'History in the Park' Meet the Santa Clara Valley Model T Ford Club puts on there in September (almost) every year. Really sad. Most years I keep up my membership in the SCVMTFC (currently lapsed), and several good friends volunteer at the museum there. I knew about the Metz, and knew its owner fifty years ago! I also knew the man that owned the Osen & Hunt automobile manufactured in San Jose well over a century ago. (Well, I didn't know him over a century ago?!) Maybe my situation can improve before too much longer, and I can get down there again.
  22. Interesting. I have ridden in a number of vintage electric trolleys years ago, just as hobby and historic interest. With some engineering background, I had noticed the motorman switching up and down more than I would have expected from a simple driving requirement. Now, with your bit of experience shared, I know why. Thank you for sharing that! Years ago, I read a wonderful article in a hobby magazine about Andrew L Riker, who around 1900 was considered one of the world's top engineers for electric automobiles. A considerable portion of the article covered his involvement in early automobile racing. About 1900 (as I recall, it could have been 1901?), A L Riker built a special electric racing car, and entered into one of the earliest sanctioned automobile races in this country. It was sanctioned by one of the early iterations of what soon after became the AAA. The race was held in New York, on Long Island if I recall correctly. Being such an early race, it involved all three of the major motive powers, gasoline, steam, and electric. The race was an early effort to showcase and prove which of the motive powers was best suited for this newfangled automobile thing. And Andrew L Riker won! His special built electric beat all the gasoline (still very crude at that time), and all the steam (which had been favored to win) automobiles that day. One of the interesting things in that article, was that the electric controller, which had been designed and special built for the extra batteries and power, of the racing car, began to fail about half way through the race. Riker wanted to show all that the electric car was the way of the future. So he started the race pushing his car as fast and as hard as he could. In the first half of the race, he got so far ahead of everyone else, that it looked like he was a 'shoe-in'! Then some of the contacts began burning out. With losing the most desirable speed ranges, he had to push on in other combinations of contacts. This also taxed his batteries, and they became weaker than he had envisioned. Near the end, he pushed on, with failing batteries and only a couple controller options still working. Running only about a quarter of the speed he had started out with, and the various both gasoline and steam cars quickly gaining ground, he crossed the finish line! Both victorious, and slightly humbled. Interesting also to note, that A L Riker continued to engineer, improve, and manufacture electric automobiles. For just a few more years. A L Riker was no fool. He saw the great strides made in gasoline engine designs. And one of the strongest supporters of electric automobiles, in 1904 switched sides. He became one of the chief engineers for Locomobile, in their bid to drop steam, to build the best gasoline automobiles in the world. I am curious wws944, where you are located, and what museum you are working with. Maybe it is one I am familiar with? Or maybe not.
  23. It sounds as though the car has found the right home! Welcome to the affliction! Really, antique automobiles are one of the best hobbies in the world. They can connect their caretakers to history (personal as well as general) better than almost any other one thing. You will get an appreciation for how your ancestors lived, as well as for the wonderous conveniences available today.
  24. Adapting such springs that would be available to an AA could be really difficult, and likely prove unsatisfactory. There were 'softer ride' springs available as after-market accessories for model TT and AA trucks back in their days. Finding a set of those now could be really tough. Most after-market springs made for trucks were extra heavy duty ones. They would make your ride worse. Any good commercial truck spring shop should be able to make a softer ride spring to fit your truck. It may need to be block lifted to get the height and stance correct. And it would 'forever' limit your hauling capacity if that matters to you. Historically, Franklin was an anomaly. They and a few European marques were among the very few using full elliptic springs on large cars. Hundreds of earlier cars used full elliptic springs, mostly well before 1915. And while a few large cars, and even trucks, did use them, full elliptic springs were mostly used by smaller cars. While the ride was nice, their two point mount (center top and center bottom) either made them somewhat unstable or required extensive bracing. Small light cars at low speeds this wasn't much of a problem. However, as cars got bigger and speeds got faster it became a big problem really quick. By the way, there was a model TT truck rear spring set of Hassler shock absorbers for sale recently. I don't know if they have sold or not. They do give a TT a softer ride, and are fairly rare. But they won't fit an AA. I type slow, Rusty beat me to posting again!
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