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  1. This amazing thread is mostly about customs and one-offs, but I hope the crew won't mind if I add a much less unique missing pre-war American classic, and the caveat that I am pretty much directly violating West's proposed rule. Anyway, the below is a 1931 Cadillac 370A (V-12) Coupe, bodied by Fisher, Engine number 1003689. Here it is one of the last times I saw it, in the mid 1980s, when it hadn't run in decades The engine was later pulled and in pieces in a failed effort to get it running, and the car was left in a barn near Long Valley, New Jersey, until it was given away around 2004. I haven't been able to tell what happened to it: Might have been scrapped or parted out, sadly. Not a high dollar car relative to the ones in this thread, of course.
  2. I assume they try to keep them all in the family. The one person I know who had two was a du Pont, and I didn't see either up for sale after he passed away.
  3. I wonder how much of that price difference is attributable to these kinds of cars mostly being used for show rather than to drive. If a car is being driven, the driving experience matters and the paint that was perfect before won't be perfect after 10,000 miles. You wouldn't expect a massive difference in the market valuation if the cars are being used as cars. But if the cars are show cars that are works of art rather than things driven, then the market price difference could be something like the market price difference in the art world between a print that is one of 200 and a painting by the same artist that is one of one. The two may look pretty similar, and they're both by the artist, but the print can be had for a tiny fraction of the price of the painting --- they're just completely different parts of the market.
  4. Too bad it was sold before you got there. I hope there was a consolation prize.
  5. 1935Packard

    Fraud?

    Assuming Alvan Macauley was really your grandfather -- I mean, we have no reason to doubt you, but it seems only keeping with the spirit of this thread to be skeptical -- welcome to the Packard forum! Very cool that a Macauley descendant would pay a visit.
  6. 1935Packard

    1930 packard

    I don't know if this is at all helpful, but you might check if the parts book has plans in there: http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/html/downloads/1930-32_ServicePartsList.pdf Also, here is a video Packard made around 1930 that explains how they assemble the wood structures in their cars. It probably lacks the detail to be helpful, but maybe worth a look anyway.
  7. 1935Packard

    Fuel lines and fittings.

    Interesting exchange! It could/should be published as dueling columns in the CCCA magazine. I wonder if both sides are right, though, depending on the circles and circumstances we're talking about. In circles that have the financial resources to sufficiently value perfect attention to detail, the attention to value matters and is worth it. In circles that are focused on just having fun, the cost to get it exactly correct may make no sense.
  8. 1935Packard

    In the 1930's could you Parallel Park ? ?

    I've parallel-parked my '35 Packard Twelve many times. Big and heavy car, and it takes a lot of room and lots of arm/shoulder strength. But it can be done.
  9. 1935Packard

    1935 Lincoln K Club Sedan

    This is a marvelous and very useful thread, Matt.
  10. 1935Packard

    Protective mud

    That was the biggest mud area, so not much more to remove. As for issues, if they're safety-related or reliability-related I take care of them; if they're just cosmetic, I leave them alone. I've had the car for 11 years and put around 9K miles on the car without trying to clean up down there, so I doubt I would want to have anything done to it. And while from time to time I ponder getting the car repainted, I was fortunately cured of any interest in restoring the car after I talked to some folks at reputable shops and was quoted some likely restoration costs.
  11. 1935Packard

    Help recommend a car for a 17 year old?

    I share the view of the group that instead of looking for a particular car, do Craigslist searches for the year range and price range you want. Just see what pops up, and then ask whether the parts are sufficiently available. Given that you're flexible on year and model, better to see what is out there than start looking for particular cars. I'll also add that the the 1941 Packard in Altoona NY listed above is a great deal. The car looks right from the photos, and pre-war Packards are (in my opinion, see my name) very special cars. It will be harder to get parts for that Packard than some other cars, though. They made a lot of 110s, and there are folks like Kanter and Max Merritt that sell parts for them, but it's much harder and costlier to get parts for that kind of car.
  12. 1935Packard

    Protective mud

    Yes, the senior cars do -- vacuum-assisted mechanical brakes. Packard didn't switch to hydraulic brakes on the senior cars until 1937, I believe.
  13. 1935Packard

    Hood strap on a '35 car -- where does it attach?

    Thanks, Dave! I can't find anyone who sells the clip for the strap -- or the straps generally -- but I plan to copy one and just do my best.
  14. 1935Packard

    Protective mud

    My 1935 Packard is a mostly original car, and one area that has never been touched is the underbody and chassis. My grandfather bought the car in 1942 and never touched the underbody; I've had the car for the last 11 years and never touched it, either. Most of it has a light surface rust, together with some areas where you can still see the original tan paint and other areas where you can see the 1978 silver paint that was just spray painted on with no cleaning at all. But there are some areas with old patches of mud on the frame that have been dried on for decades. I know this because several areas of the dried mud have the 1978 silver paint painted on top of them, so they must have been old by 1978 -- old enough that the prior painter just lazily spray-painted over them. Anyway, yesterday I tried cleaning up one area of mud that was painted over with the 1978 paint. A power-washer didn't help, but after getting it wet and letting it soak for a while I was able to peel the dirt off with the flat edge of a large screwdriver. The neat thing was that when I removed the dried mud, the chassis underneath was in very nice condition: Zero rust, and the original black chassis paint. Here's the spot, partly cleaned up: And here's some of the vintage mud I removed, almost an inch thick in places and with some silver 1978 paint still visible : Now that's some protective mud! Too bad it wasn't covering the whole chassis, though.
  15. 1935Packard

    Battery disconnect switch, yes or no?

    I always have a cut-off. Saves the battery for long term storage if there's a drain; some anti-theft protection; makes it easy to cut the battery if I'm working on electrical stuff, etc, I try to have them installed on the floorboard right next to me so i can reach down with my hand from the driver's seat and easily flip the switch without having to get up. Just do it close to the seat so nothing can get in the way and flip it by accident (which would take a lot of force anyway, but could happen in theory.) I slip it to off every time I turn off the car after a drive, and flipping it on is part of my starting routine. I like ones like this: https://www.grote.com/family/master-battery-disconnect-switch/