1935Packard

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  1. Sounds like the poster was focused on making a quick buck, but that a quick buck may be difficult to find.
  2. I wondered about the crash protection, too. Googling around suggests that new cars can't be sold without the usual crash protection, although manufacturers can get around that by selling the cars without engines so that technically they are not yet cars at all. That seems to be what happens if you want to order a new Morgan in the U.S. Also, there is a recent law, the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015, that will let companies sell a small number of vintage-style cars in the U.S. without satisfying modern safety standards. But that wil only happen when NHTSA gets its act together, and it sounds like they haven't passed the regulations to let it happen. UPDATE: Good story on this issue here, focused on the Morgan: https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/08/14/some-assembly-required-new-morgan-sports-cars-are-coming-to-america/
  3. I've been a fan of Optimas for years and have always had good experiences with them, at least until two years ago: I then had a red top fail after 9 months and start a small fire. Or at least so I heard: It happened to be when I was having the car shipped, and it was the guy from the shipping company was the one who was there when there was a problem. Fortunately there was no damage.
  4. I've wondered about that. I'm sure Internet reports on 0-60 mph times are often unreliable, but I've seen these numbers reported: xk120: 10 seconds. '54 Corvette: 11 seconds 190sl: 13 seconds Kaiser Darrin:14 seconds
  5. Thanks, this is helpful. I love the Porsche Speedsters, too, and perhaps on a more practical note, the '59 Convertible D. But even thought the Convertible Ds are a bargain compared to the Speedsters, both are bringing serious dollars in today's market. A driver Convertible D seems to be about 2X an XK120, and a Speedster much more than that. So I left it out mostly because it's in a different price range....
  6. Fair question! Re the 53-54-55 thinking, the '53s seem to be 2-3X the price for the same car as the '54, which I would think makes the '54 a relative bargain. The 55s give you the V8 over the '54's Six, but I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes. Certainly don't mind adding the '55s to the mix as an possibility, though! I think there were a handful of 55s that came with factory manual transmissions, too, but I gather they are rare. Re the '56-'57, only left out because I find them less attractive style-wise than the '53-55 cars. I think the '59-'60 cars are very attractive, but not quite as much as the '53-'55 cars. Of course, this is purely subjective, your mileage may vary, etc.
  7. I'm a longtime fan of mid-1950s two-seaters, and in particular these four cars: (1) Jaguar XK120, and in particular the drop-head coupe from '53-'54 (2) '54 Kaiser Darrin (3) '55 to '63 Mercedes-Benz 190SL (4) '54 Chevrolet Corvette Although beauty is subjective, I think all four of these cars are really beautiful. But I have never driven any of them, much less owned any of them. Given that, I'm curious if any message board participants who may have owned one of these cars or may know them well, how they compare in terms of either driving experience or ownership experience. The four seem to have some significant differences from a distance. For example, the Corvette only comes in an automatic (unfortunately!) The 190SL and the DHC have roll-up windows while the Darrin and Corvette don't. At least right now, the Corvettes are significantly less expensive than the other three. And I would think parts are very hard to source for the Darrin but more available (if expensive) for the others. But that's just my impression from afar, and I'm sure others with actual experience with these cars have great insights to share. Anyway, this is unfortunately just idle pondering, and I have no plans to get any of these cars. But a man can dream.....
  8. That's awesome. Really, I think you're doing it perfectly. A few years back I was very interested in buying a 1921 HCS 5-passenger touring, and I was surprised about how little there was online about the cars. They were really cool: HCS stands for Harry C. Stutz, and he started HCS after he left Stutz. They're high-end cars from the early 20s that are pretty similar to Stutzes. They are Full Classics, too, although I don't think they were back when I was thinking of buying one. Anyway, I remember thinking that if I bought the car I would want to create a website and a registry and do what I could to raise awareness of the car and link owners -- pretty much exactly what you did for the Cole. But I didn't buy the car, so it never happened.
  9. Bravo, bravo, bravo! I think this is exactly right -- just perfect. And let me make explicit what is implicit in this, that a great online presence for the marque is key. Every younger person interested in a car is going to start by googling it. If they can easily find a website that has tons of information and seems to be a community, that is a huge draw for prospective owners.
  10. I'm in my 40s, and my sense is that most of the people my age in this hobby, at least that I meet, were born into it one way or another. Maybe someone in their family had an old car, or maybe someone in their family had auto repair skills that they passed on. Or ideally, both. But I think it definitely helps, both to make the old car hobby seem like a doable hobby and to give people a leg up on how to go about it. This is particularly common in the Packard Club, I've found. It seems like the majority of Packard Club members under 50 inherited or bought Packards that their family had earlier owned. It's not true of everyone, of course. Maybe around a third of the younger members just happen to like Packards. But I would guess that 2/3 or so of the younger members have a family Packard connection.
  11. They're really cool, everyone knows about them because of the Tucker movie, and only 48 were made. Other than that, it's just a supply and demand thing and explanations are hard.
  12. This thread from two years ago might be relevant:
  13. Agree 100%. I think what makes it hard for some people is the suspicion that other people have made a lot of money this way. If Joe down the street brags that he bought that Porsche 356 for 10K and sold it ten years later for 80K, then you start to think that you're a sucker if you're losing money. It doesn't help that there are some within the hobby who push the investment angle For example, the website of a classic car dealer that seems to have a lot of nice cars includes this passage: Exotic cars are not only immensely enjoyable to own, they can also be fine investments, with prices rising year after year. As [our company's] customer reviews will assure you, we provide top-notch service and premium quality cars to investment car buyers the world over. With 5 decades of experience, we truly are one of the best partners you can choose to help you find and purchase your next investment vehicle. Ugh.
  14. Another vote for www.MaxwellEnamels.com. Carla is great, and she did a fantastic job with my Packard horn button.
  15. Sometimes it seems like the antique car hobby has two problems: First, the younger generation doesn't care about cars, leading values to drop so our cars aren't worth what they used to be worth. And second, prices are so high that the average person has been priced out of the market and can't afford the cars.
  16. My sense is that the early 30s Packard open car market is relatively predictable, and that there's a set of buyers looking for those cars at the expected market range of prices. Of course, if your friend has to sell very quickly, or will do an auction without reserve, you never know. But if he has 2-3 months, he'll get a market price.. My sense, at least.
  17. Here's an interesting recent Motor Trend article, TESLA MODEL 3 VS. BMW 330I VS. GENESIS G70 COMPARISON: WHO BUILDS THE BEST COMPACT LUXURY SEDAN?" Motor Trend concluded that the best of the three was the Tesla. From the story: But it was the revolutionary driving experience that pushed it over the top. . . . . [T]he Model 3's real strength is its drivetrain. To no one's surprise, the Model 3 absolutely crushed it in straight-line acceleration: 0-60 whooshed by in only 4.0 seconds, and the quarter mile fell in 12.5 seconds at a speed of 113.1 mph. Proving it wasn't a one-trick electric pony, the Model 3 also bested the BMW on our figure-eight loop, despite wearing all-season tires. That electric drivetrain also provides the framework for the rest of this paradigm shift. The near-silent, rocket-like acceleration is only the first step. On our test runs out in the real world, one-pedal driving quickly became a matter of course. Lift off the accelerator, and regen instantly begins to slow the car. Time it right, and you can navigate through even heavy traffic with only an occasional feathering of the brake pedal. Walton was smitten. "Driving feels new and novel again. The way it re-introduces driving enthusiasm to a driving enthusiast is remarkable." The Tesla Model 3 wins this competition because it has thoroughly rewritten the rules of what a compact sport sedan can be.
  18. I have mostly lived in urban areas where garage space is a premium: Car collectors are usually "one car" people because you only have one free garage space to put an antique car. Finding a garage rental where I have lived is hard, and it may cost you $250 a month just for the garage spot. With that said, I think there's a "one car" for every taste and nearly every budget. You have your budget, and you figure out what you want that is within your budget. If you only have one garage spot, you work within that parameter based on your preferences and you get that car that really does it for you. My first antique car, or at least my first antique that ran, was a '49 Cadillac I still own. It was a #3 driver that an earlier owner had put a lot of money into,. For me, at least, it was the perfect "one car." Spectacular styling, relatively easy to find parts, great club support, automatic transmission (as I didn't know how to drive a manual), and not too expensive (depending on body style). A friend of mine wanted an antique car and bought a restored MGA, which was his perfect "one car" -- relatively inexpensive, beautiful lines, a great convertible to drive, and great club support. (Having absolutely zero automotive knowledge, neither of us considered buying project cars. We both bought cars that seemed to be in decent mechanical and cosmetic shape and that didn't need a lot of work.) But which cars to pick is just what you love, not something that you can really analyze.
  19. Just a minor point, but it looks like only about 20% of California's energy consumption is currently in the form of gasoline. https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-1
  20. Great video. Reminds me of when I first drove my Packard. I was about 35, and I had no idea what I was doing. I stalled a lot. And there were lots of times when I was confused about what the car was doing. But I had a blast, and I figured things out over time.
  21. I learned to drive a manual on my '35 Packard Twelve, back in 2007 after I bought the car. (I had one lesson on a friend's Honda Accord beforehand, mostly in a nearby parking lot, but that was it.) My first drive in the car was a 150 mile drive from the repair shop to home. It was pretty nerve-racking at times. But I made it, and after that one trip I felt like I pretty much learned how to do it.
  22. With apologies for going slightly off-topic, I've always found this psychology rather odd. I realize it's indeed how a lot of people react, as it's how auctions make a part of their money. But the whole idea of people committing when something is at a low price, and being willing to then overpay because they have committed already, strikes me as strange. You'd think people just pick a dollar amount that is what the item is worth before the auction and that they stick to it -- but I guess many people don't do that.
  23. I've sold two cars that are somewhat similar to the one that is being offered here -- both late 30s or early 40s convertible non-CCCA cars. What worked for me: (1) posting on the Internet a very large number of high resolution pictures of every aspect of the car, (2) giving a complete history of the car, including who owned it, what work has been done, how much it has been driven, recent repairs, recent awards, etc., (3) making sure my ad was seen pretty widely, such as on Hemmings, club websites, etc. and (4) including a realistic price that made clear I was serious about selling, and that didn't require potential buyers to "make an offer" way below the offering price just to get into the realistic price range. The first of the cars sold in about 3-4 weeks to the first person who came out to see it, who had seen the ad in a club publication. The second of the cars also sold in about 3-4 weeks, this time at my full asking price sight unseen (which certainly surprised me, but I was happy to take). In both cases I sold the car for about 5%-10% more than I paid for them myself about 4 years earlier.
  24. I had to google "harry miller race car" to find out who Harry Miller was, so I'm not sure he satisfies (b). But I also don't know how much Harry Miller race cars sell for.
  25. I agree that seven figures interesting is odd for a Tucker. At the same time, it's hard to find an American car that is (a) truly distinctive both mechanically and cosmetically, (b) well known to most people in the hobby, and (c) made in such low numbers that most people never see one.