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  1. I was thinking tonight about vintage dealership buildings that still exist, either still being used as car dealerships or preserved but being used for other purposes. The thought was inspired by driving past the Howard Motor Company building, on Colorado Boulevard in Pasadena, California, right on the Rose Bowl Parade route this morning. The building was built in 1927 as a Buick dealership. In1938, it became a Packard dealership until the late 50s. In 1996 it was added to the National Register of Historic Places. It's now vacant, and lights were on inside letting me see some details inside. Here's an outside shot, with apologies for all the Rose-Bowl-Parade-route trash on the ground: And here's a shot of the interior from the front door area: And a picture up close of the entrance: Finally, here's a picture of the building from when it was operating as a Packard dealership, Noll Auto, in 1956: Such a cool building, although presumably less practical today than it was in 1927. It occurs to me that others may have their own favorites of old dealership buildings that are still around, either still being used as car dealerships or just in something close to their original form. If so, please feel free to post pictures! And my apologies if others have hosted similar threads; I looked but didn't find anything similar.
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    Mark Clayton on 1922 and 1932 Packards

    Some of you may have seen these, but Mark Clayton's views on the 1922 Packard 116s and 1932 Packard Standard Eights is pretty interesting.
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    Vintage dealership buildings that are still around

    What a cool place to store cars! That's amazing. And I love the '60 Buick and '48 Cadillac -- two beautifully designed cars. (The Pontiac is nice, too.)
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    The next generation and keeping it in the family

    Agreed. It's wonderful when our passions are passed on to the next generation. It makes us feel like we're passing on a bit of ourselves. But I also agree that every generation needs to find its own passions and interests, and to make its own choices about what they love. Enjoy the overlapping times, but also celebrate each new generation's ability to pursue what it loves.
  5. This is Interesting: "Data tabulated by popular classic car insurer Hagerty illustrated Gen X and Millennial dominance based on their requests for vehicle valuations and classic car insurance quotes. The pair of younger generations accounted for 53 percent of requests, marking a major tipping point for the classic car market. Many older enthusiasts are entrenched in the market, and may already own a classic, or several classics. Meanwhile, Gen X and Millennials are just now getting to a position of career stability which now allows them to shop for their dream classic just like Dad used to have." A story over at the Hagerty blog from July has more a lot more related information, including this chart on the age distribution of who is receiving quotes from Hagerty for insurance for classic cars. It includes this chart:
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    "Millennials Invade Classic Car Market"

    Going back to this topic, Hagerty's new "Insider" magazine -- seems sort of like a Keith Martin's Sports Car Market, but based heavily on Hagerty's own database of trends -- has this interesting piece of information: "While Baby Boomers tend to have cars that are on average 14 years younger than they are, millennials tend to own cars that are on average seven years older than them. Among Hagerty policy-holders, the median model year for Pre-Boomers is 1964, Boomers 1968, Gen-X 1970, and millennials 1970." According to the story, the kinds of collectors cars that the young and the old tend to own -- at least among those insured by Hagerty -- aren't all that different. One exception is that the pre-Boomers born before 1946 are much more into 1930s and 1940s cars, and much less into 1970s and later cars, than later generations.
  7. A difficulty with asking us here at the AACA forum is that any sort of business like this would have to be highly localized. You'd presumably need to find a place with lots of car collectors already, where those car collectors have money to spend, and yet where there aren't similar services already. Then you'd have to find out what *that* group wants, and design the business around them. With that said, I would guess that the most useful kind of place in a boating area is probably a combined storage and repair shop. Boat people often have extra income, and those who have boats and collector cars together probably need seasonal storage and someone to hire to work on their cars. The rest of the services, like hosting a cruise night or cars & coffee, can be used as ways of advertising. But it's a tough business, as really you're running a classic car repair shop; a much-needed service, but not an easy business.
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    Remarks on Buick super 1949 convertible

    Lovely car! I have a similar '49 convertible -- a Cadillac, instead of a Buick, but similar. I agree with what others stated that joining the Buick club would be useful to learn about where you can access parts. But you can also find a lot of parts just by searching on the Internet: Many parts sources have an online presence and you can order parts and have them shipped from them. Just searching around, these seem like possibilities: https://classicbuicks.com/ https://www.bellbuickparts.com/ https://bobsautomobilia.com/ https://www.buickfarm.com/
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    Vintage dealership buildings that are still around

    Yes, and the street light has been around for a while: You can see it in the 1956 picture when it was Noll Auto.
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    Vintage dealership buildings that are still around

    I was wondering about that building! I happened to drive by it last night, too, and I wondered about what it originally had been. Fascinating to know that was Don Lee's Pasadena Cadillac/LaSalle dealership. I see from this site that there's another cool picture from inside the service area in 1932.
  11. Milan auto show, showing the 1933 Packards -- the so-called 10th Series, introduced (if I recall correctly) in January 1933.
  12. If you want to know how they calculate HAGI's Top Index, good luck. They say that it's based on an index of "exceptional historic automobiles," and that they estimate market price changes based on their "private contacts, marque specialists, dealers and auction results." They also tell you that Porsche and Ferrari values are a substantial part of the index. But they don't disclose how they calculate the numbers, or what cars are considered and in what proportion. Ironically, they claim that their index is a way to make the classic car market more "transparent." If you want to know more, you have to become a member to get their newsletter. I'm assuming they don't give away memberships for free.
  13. Love that car, especially in a driver condition that makes you want to jump in and go for a long ride. Some pictures I took of it when I visited.
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    Tupelo Museum Closing, Selling Off Cars

    I drove a Cord for the first time this summer. I think they're one of the most beautiful cars ever built, and I've loved them since I was 10 years old. But it seemed fitting for their tricky reputation that we had to cut the drive short because the transmission became stuck in reverse when i tried to turn the car around. Maybe someday, but not that particular car.
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    Tupelo Museum Closing, Selling Off Cars

    Googling around suggests it was Henry C. Fownes, profiled here: http://www.usga.org/articles/2010/05/fownesthe-oakmont-architect-2147486616.html There's a discussion of Fownes and his Duesenberg in the article excerpted below. Maybe contact the author of that article and ask for the source of the Duesenberg story about Fownes? The author might be able to put you in touch with someone who knows about the cars and what happened to them. https://issuu.com/pinehurstlivingmagazine/docs/may-june_web_pdf_reduced_size
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    I remember when that Model A came up at auction a few years ago. Really cool car. As featured, I believe, in Fred Roe's Duesenberg book:
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    Tupelo Museum Closing, Selling Off Cars

    Really interesting discussion. This may be an unanswerable question, but does anyone have any thoughts on what kind of collector is likely to be most interested in this kind of car? Wondering if there are collectors with several Duesenbergs who might want one more to add to their collection. Or maybe there are collectors who always wanted a Duesenberg who are likely to see this as a relatively inexpensive way in? I have no idea what the Duesenberg market is like for that kind of car, but it's interesting just to ponder (especially because mere pondering is free).
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    Tupelo Museum Closing, Selling Off Cars

    I agree it's better to have the cars well-maintained and brought out to shows and tours than in a museum. As I see it, the order of preferred antique automotive usage goes like this, from worst (at the top) to best (at the bottom): 1) Poorly maintained and in a collection no one sees. 2) Poorly maintained and in a museum some can see. 3) Well maintained and in a museum or collection some can see. 4) Well maintained and regularly driven. 5) In my garage
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    "Millennials Invade Classic Car Market"

    This may be straying a bit the subject of the thread, but I'll bite: I think the answer is often "yes." Different generations were shaped by different experiences, world events, and technologies at different stages of their lives, and often that does create a shared outlook for many. It creates a useful heuristic, at least. And I think that is the conclusion not just of "marketers," but of professional demographers and researchers who conduct studies to identify changing attitudes across different generations. See, for example, The National Science Foundation's Longitudinal Study of American Youth and its journal, the "Generation X Report."
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    "Millennials Invade Classic Car Market"

    I'm Generation X, too, and I have two pre-war Classics. Just as Matt suggested, there's a family connection: My grandfather owned the Packard I now have, and I fell in love with 30s cars from the time I was 7 or 8 and played with that Packard in my grandfather's garage. One of my favorite books when I was growing up was Cars of the 30s, by the editors of Consumer Guide. I used to spend countless hours combing through that book, learning about each make and model, and comparing the pictures of model years. I still have that very worn book, too. I've found that the folks at cruise nights and local car shows are usually really enthusiastic about new people showing up with interesting new cars, of any era, Classics included. Like Buick64C, I have no reason to think that bringing these cars to shows have helped persuade anyone to own one (at least yet).. But car people are car people. If you bring a car and create a memory that a car is really cool, you never know what seed you're planting.
  21. Neat lecture by restorer Alan Taylor on what it takes to restore high-end cars for Pebble Beach and the like. He focuses mostly on a particular Bugatti that his shop did and brought to Pebble. Interesting content, and helpful pictures/video. Sure, Edinmass knows all this. But I learned a lot.
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    Are design renderings done at automakers "fine art?"

    I would question the premise, that the expected presence of something at a museum makes it something called "fine art." Museums show art of many kinds that they think are interesting and valuable; there is no defined category of "fine" art as opposed to other art. But if a toilet can be art, per Duchamp, I don't see why a drawing of a car can't be.
  23. I wish I still had my '41 110, I would have been very interested! Good luck selling, Joe.
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    Packard? What year?

    And if the car broke down, they could just call AAA, too. Seriously, neat picture I haven't seen before.
  25. This amazing thread is mostly about customs and one-offs, but I hope the crew won't mind if I add a much less unique missing pre-war American classic, and the caveat that I am pretty much directly violating West's proposed rule. Anyway, the below is a 1931 Cadillac 370A (V-12) Coupe, bodied by Fisher, Engine number 1003689. Here it is one of the last times I saw it, in the mid 1980s, when it hadn't run in decades The engine was later pulled and in pieces in a failed effort to get it running, and the car was left in a barn near Long Valley, New Jersey, until it was given away around 2004. I haven't been able to tell what happened to it: Might have been scrapped or parted out, sadly. Not a high dollar car relative to the ones in this thread, of course.