40mopar Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 The ban on internal combustion engines is progressing around the world. Some places are even banning fossil fueled chain saws and lawnmowers What's going to happen to vintage car owners? Will the value of our cars plummet? Will we be able to find fuel at an affordable price? Will it even be legal to drive them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 6 4 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Make it known to your elected officials that you still want to be able to use your old cars - thus fossil fuels etc are necessary. Take the time to do so, by letter and in public meetings - don't complain later that "you were busy" so couldn't. You vote and $ support of their political party keeps them in office. Be annoying! they do not want bad PR. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Does anyone actually read past the inflammatory headlines? These are bans on the sale of new cars and lawn equipment, not the use of existing ones. Do you really think that the entire fleet will be replaced overnight, if at all? And the ban on ICE vehicles in inner cities is fine with me. Do you REALLY want to drive your collector car into downtown NYC or London? I take Metro into DC any time I have to go there. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Although I carry some concerns about these issues, I always feel like the original poster is “shorting the stock” ...........your Dietrich bodied dual cowl phaeton is going to be worthless, but since I’m a nice guy, I’ll give you 25 grand for it...... 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 My gut is to delete this thread as political. The original posts is just not accurate. We need to support organizations like SEMA Action Network to be sure our interests are not overlooked. Crying fire isn't helping. 1 hour ago, joe_padavano said: These are bans on the sale of new cars and lawn equipment, not the use of existing ones. Do you really think that the entire fleet will be replaced overnight, if at all? And the ban on ICE vehicles in inner cities is fine with me. Do you REALLY want to drive your collector car into downtown NYC or London? I take Metro into DC any time I have to go there. Well Said! 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 We should probably stay away from political statements. I removed the offensive graphic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Moderator and Professor said: I removed the offensive graphic. Shucks I missed it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CChinn Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Wasn’t this a general forum topic a few weeks ago and was moved by Peter to the legislative forum? Already seeing the same replies as before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, joe_padavano said: Do you REALLY want to drive your collector car into downtown NYC or London? I take Metro into DC any time I have to go there. I don't want to drive ANYTHING in a big city!😬 Also perfectly happy living 250 miles from DC and having no reason or excuse to go there. But I'm one who'll drive 100 miles out of the way to avoid going anywhere near the place. I even try to avoid Richmond and Raleigh if possible. If my ICE lawn equipment gets outlawed I suppose I'll have to buy a herd of goats🐐. Then some idealist will find the smell and "emissions" offensive and the place will return to wild like it was before the 1746 land grant... 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 So how are those solar powered wood chippers working out for you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 I have three goats who emit greenhouse gasses, but on the plus side, they create natural fertilizer and consume vast amounts of __________ (<--- Insert anything here that may be edible and many things that are actually not edible but they try anyway.) I would be willing to bet that goats have a negative carbon footprint, even with their greenhouse gas emissions. I highly recommend them over whatever your ICE lawn equipment. 4 minutes ago, rocketraider said: I don't want to drive ANYTHING in a big city!😬 Also perfectly happy living 250 miles from DC and having no reason or excuse to go there. But I'm one who'll drive 100 miles out of the way to avoid going anywhere near the place. I even try to avoid Richmond and Raleigh if possible. If my ICE lawn equipment gets outlawed I suppose I'll have to buy a herd of goats🐐. Then some idealist will find the smell and "emissions" offensive and the place will return to wild like it was before the 1746 land grant... 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: So how are those solar powered wood chippers working out for you? About as well and those finicky ICE pace makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, rocketraider said: If my ICE lawn equipment gets outlawed I suppose I'll have to buy a herd of goats🐐. Then some idealist will find the smell and "emissions" offensive and the place will return to wild like it was before the 1746 land grant... 🙂 I have to admit that last year I bought a Dewalt battery lawnmower. I use the tractor for majority of the mowed area, but there are always areas around the house that need a push mower. My wife wanted the electric. I tried really hard to hate it, but the reality is that it does the job with much less fuss and noise than my old mower. Battery life is much better than I expected. Plus, I don't have to rebuild the carb every spring because of the crappy gas stuck in it over the winter. Extra bonus, the batteries work with my power tools, and 9 A-hr goes a long way in a drill or even a sawzall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Guess I will have to start chopping wood to heat my house! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, joe_padavano said: I have to admit that last year I bought a Dewalt battery lawnmower. I use the tractor for majority of the mowed area, but there are always areas around the house that need a push mower. My wife wanted the electric. I tried really hard to hate it, but the reality is that it does the job with much less fuss and noise than my old mower. Battery life is much better than I expected. Plus, I don't have to rebuild the carb every spring because of the crappy gas stuck in it over the winter. Extra bonus, the batteries work with my power tools, and 9 A-hr goes a long way in a drill or even a sawzall. I have to agree Joe. I have not tried the lawn mower yet the gas lawnmower has kept on going. The battery powered snow blower is a dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) How is that for a mower for a carburetor guy? Jon Edited January 5, 2022 by carbking (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, joe_padavano said: Do you REALLY want to drive your collector car into downtown NYC I actually do, but only once to accomplish something I've been wanting to do for decades. OTOH, it is a loooong road trip from Riverside, CA (and back), so I hope to combine it with other interesting stops along the way. Maybe when The Met produces another/next "Ring"-cycle ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Peter Gariepy said: My gut is to delete this thread as political. Don't let any of us to stop you... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Some of these comments would be better placed on the Battery Powered Lawn Mower Forum. Here is the appropriate link below: www.batterypoweredlawnmowerenthusiasts.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 From what I gather, what consumers worldwide have spent on new cars over the last five years is in the quadrillions, and the vast majority have been gas/diesel powered. Those cars and trucks may have a life of 20 years years or more. Who knows how much railroads have invested in diesel powered locomotives. And since the airline industry or military won't be replacing their hyper-expensive aircraft with electric planes anytime soon, I'm guessing fossil fuels will be with us for a while. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, mike6024 said: Some of these comments would be better placed on the Battery Powered Lawn Mower Forum. Here is the appropriate link below: www.batterypoweredlawnmowerenthusiasts.com I was gonna ask is that even a thing...😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, rocketraider said: I was gonna ask is that even a thing...😳 If you can dream it up, or nightmare it up, it probably exists already. 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthcranbrook Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Well I have had to hire out lawn work and snow removal this year. The lawn folks can decide how to cut it, gas mower, electric mower, sickle, I don’t care. And the snow removal consists of two young guys with shovels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Unless you are still in grade school I think there will be IC vehicles in use for most of your lifetime. Still lots of problems with EV's not the least of which is cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepher Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 51 minutes ago, ... and Professor said: If you can dream it up, or nightmare it up, it probably exists already. 🙂 Rule 30 of the Internet Rules says this - 30. No real limits of any kind apply here — not even the sky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, ... and Professor said: If you can dream it up, or nightmare it up, it probably exists already. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37_Roadmaster_C Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 hours ago, ... and Professor said: I have three goats who emit greenhouse gasses, but on the plus side, they create natural fertilizer and consume vast amounts of __________ (<--- Insert anything here that may be edible and many things that are actually not edible but they try anyway.) I would be willing to bet that goats have a negative carbon footprint, even with their greenhouse gas emissions. I highly recommend them over whatever your ICE lawn equipment. And when they finally wear out they still make a wonderful Curry for dinner....... Yea, Baaad, that reminds me of another dish for Tuesday..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyardjeff Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I have found that replacing the batteries in my electric tools is getting annoying since the batteries do not last as long as I would like. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 That's why they sell new ones. That won't last any longer than the old ones!🙂 I've noticed a lot of battery-operated tools come in a nice set of several handy tools- without batteries, which are extra cost and sometimes as much as the set of tools is. Wait'll you have to replace your Super-Lectric vehicle's batteries. Might make them $130 12v look like a bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I have built up a pretty good collection of DeWalt 20V tools over the past couple of years. And I am considering an electric car of some sort in the next year or two. Some say the inability to accept change in the world around you is an indication of impending death. If one doesn't fit in they die. I can understand that and fairly sure I have seen examples. On the practical side, my nephew has about 10 years experience with Prius cars both new and well worn. Knowledge is the key. Selecting an EV with a modular battery lets you diagnose the condition and only replace the failed module at around $250 each. Hardly a news headline item but it does give a chance for "Knowledge-1, ignorance-0". "The choice is yours." BTW. I have 5 DeWalt batteries and 4 chargers. They were fairly inexpensive or came with a good tool deal. All those good deals were found online. Can you imagine there are still some people whom refuse to buy things online! But there are getting to be less of them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 hours ago, junkyardjeff said: I have found that replacing the batteries in my electric tools is getting annoying since the batteries do not last as long as I would like. Yup, I have to spend some out after a few years of battery service. (50 bucks per battery to have new cells installed) My battery powered stuff is all Snapon and I like them. I prefer to keep them maintained than to replace them. I hate it but I do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyardjeff Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Batteries in tools that quit working are bad enough but would hate to be stranded in a electric car out of town when the battery quits or no charging stations near by. Road side assistance for electric cars will be a gas powered truck pulling a gas or diesel generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, junkyardjeff said: Batteries in tools that quit working are bad enough but would hate to be stranded in a electric car out of town when the battery quits or no charging stations near by. Road side assistance for electric cars will be a gas powered truck pulling a gas or diesel generator. Jeff, The technology on the electric vehicles is a little more advanced then an battery operated tool. I don't think the operator needs to drive around looking for charging stations. When I see people walking down the road with a gas can makes me wonder. who even travels with a gas can? Do they plan on running out of gas? Edited January 7, 2022 by John348 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, John348 said: who even travels with a gas can? Do they plan on running out of gas? In some neighborhoods it is the sign of a wealthy man to own his own jumper cables. "Hey Man! Do you have a set of jumper cables I can borrow?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 My first , high school MG had a gas gauge that didn't work. Money was very tight, Saturday work only . I always kept a small gas can with a gallon or so of gas in the trunk. Got me to a gas station on a few occasions. Summer work allowed me to buy a new sending unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1935Packard Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 48 minutes ago, junkyardjeff said: Batteries in tools that quit working are bad enough but would hate to be stranded in a electric car out of town when the battery quits or no charging stations near by. Road side assistance for electric cars will be a gas powered truck pulling a gas or diesel generator. I gather that roadside assistance for EVs that run out of charge is mostly a flatbed to a charging station (although I gather it could be an EV flatbed!). According to this story, at least, today's Teslas will run for about 10-20 miles after the battery goes to "zero," to give you a bit of a buffer to make sure you get to a charger. https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/what-happens-when-your-tesla-dies.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, 1935Packard said: I gather that roadside assistance for EVs that run out of charge is mostly a flatbed to a charging station (although I gather it could be an EV flatbed!). According to this story, at least, today's Teslas will run for about 10-20 miles after the battery goes to "zero," to give you a bit of a buffer to make sure you get to a charger. https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/what-happens-when-your-tesla-dies.html Yes, and along the way it will do it’s best to conserve the battery charge that is left by scaling back some functions like rapid acceleration response and air conditioning setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 12:17 PM, TAKerry said: Guess I will have to start chopping wood to heat my house! I already do that. In fact I've heated mostly with wood for the last 23 years. It's a much better quality heat than any furnace can provide. I also have the extra enjoyment of going outside and it smells like a smokehouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Almost a 1M miles; This Tesla Model S P85 Just Surpassed 1,500,000 Kilometers (insideevs.com) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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