Walt G

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    pre war custom coachwork,classic cars all makes, especially 1930 Packard 7th series , pressed steel toys, Chrysler products of the 1930s/1940s, Packard,Buick & Cadillac 1925-1941, car mascots, old factory and dealership buildings, automotive history pre war

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  1. I agree with zepher. Check with Haartz , family owned and operated since 1907. GREAT people, the owner is one of my best friends.
  2. Great additional information to clarify about the American Body Company thank you1 Bob , yes that Lincoln on the card is the one that Austin and I drove in and back to Manhattan at least twice, as well as to a local restaurant/watering hole in Bayville , NY just north of his home in Glen Cove. I was a great driving car, windshield gasket where the windshield mounted to the body leaked like a sieve in the rain (was probably the original one) , let the rain in and it dripped straight down so it soaked your shoes and ankles. Squish. SO you got your feet and socks washed at the same time. He rarely put the rear windshield up as someone in the cars past ground or filed the bracket so the windshield would lay further back closer to the person riding back there. Well it was ground to much and if you were back there with the windshield up it sat about 1/2 inch away from you nose. . Austin drove this car to California from where he bought it in Ohio in 1953 for the March of Dimes Rally that was taking place along the route. He also drove it up and down Pikes Peak twice as someone didn't believe even then that he had done it the first time so he wanted to prove he could and did indeed do that. He had a post card made of the car parked next to the sign at the top of Pikes Peak to prove it made it up there. I recall him telling me that story for the first time in his study/tv room while we had a glass of scotch on the rocks. His favorite scotch was Black & White - the one with the two terriers on the label - a Scottie and a Westie.
  3. Great car but as to it being the automobile salon show car. All automobile salons that were held ( NY, Chicago, LA, SF) were by invitation to viewers only not for the general public and only had custom bodied cars there. This is a regular catalog offered car so could not be at the custom body salon. Perhaps at the auto show, that is indeed possible but you would have to have some definite proof. I am not knocking the car in any way , just trying to keep history on the correct path.
  4. John , I hear you. My Packard when restored by someone had new stainless steel polished spokes installed and the rims painted orange, about 40 years ago. I am very conservative in my color preference, like a authentic "period" look. Well, the wheels I "tolerate," would cost to much to just get them painted a solid dark color,, and to get the stainless scuffed properly to make paint stick and not chip off, would be a real chore. I have had a fair amount of people ask my opinion over the past 35-40 years as to what colors they should paint their cars - I taught art for 40 years and have a fairly decent archive of original Acme paint color chips ( 2 1/2 x 4 1/4 inches) up thru about 1935 , about 400 of them. My advice has always been to stay a bit conservative because you want to see the lines of the car not the color smacking you in the eyes.
  5. Bob Your last statement - well my friend this can lead to needing a lot of space, an empty wallet with cob webs ( not folding paper with deceased Presidents images on them), but also a lot of fun about defunct car makes, models and companies. But both of us have been at this pursuit of the automotive obscure even before it became as popular as it is now. Walt
  6. I think the car is 1927 or 1928, no earlier. I also believe although most( many) of the open cars had wire wheels , that wood wheels would have been stock factory issue, wire extra cost, but of course in the sales literature etc wire wheels made the cars look sportier so were illustrated and sometimes in very fine print it was noted that the wire wheels were an extra cost. Manufacturers were trying to sell cars - and if an option was on the car that was extra cost , so be it , it made the product more attractive to a perspective customer. I am sure if a customer bought a car that had the wire wheels, and upon showing / bragging to friends they "by the way" mentioned the wire wheels with a big " look at them" smile. They probably loved the look but when it came for the time to clean them didn't think to much of them for the time it took to do so ! I love the look of the wire wheels on my 1930 Packard but disc wheels total would take about an hour to wipe down six of them, the wires - well it takes nearly 45 minutes or more to get one cleaned off. The joy of old cars!!!!!!!!!
  7. Ed you state correctly - even though Locke may have made the body , it was a multi order deal from Lincoln that was shown in their sales catalogs. It was more economical to have Locke make them then then to set up a production of these at the factory . Franklin had this with Merrimac for some open bodies in the late 1920s, and Walker with sedan bodies . Were Locke, Merrimac and Walker producing limited run and one of bodies ?- absolutely , But they also had to pay for things and would not turn down a multi batch order of bodies. They could offer a better price for each body if they were ordered in quantity and most often were produced in batches of 5 to 10 at a time. Weyman ( in the USA) did this with Stutz. Re driving a model L Lincoln as Bob states - my experience was behind the wheel of Austin Clark's 1929 dual cowl phaeton. A well used car ( he drove it out and back across the USA in 1953) and it had an updraft later carburetor and manifold fitted, but it was a real pleasure to drive. Easy to steer , even at low speeds, we even took it into Manhattan at least twice to go listen to jazz at night at Jimmy Ryan's jazz club on West 54th Street. ( I believe the car that Austin owned is now in Germany and has been restored). Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone. Walt on long island.
  8. Matt my friend , I agree completely. The driving lights on this car are miniature copies of the style of the headlamps. Later trippe and Pilot Ray lights have a conical shaped body, not a drum shape, so do not match or blend in harmony of style and shape. The size of accessories has a lot to do with proportion and harmony of design for the whole look of the car as well . In addition, if yo want to know Packard history and data pre war for the cars from about 1920 thru 1940, Jim Pearsall is the one to talk to.
  9. Jim Regarding the lights at the cowl area near the windshield. According to the accessory catalog Packard Special Cowl Lamps: the eight cylinder used their A-1957 light which was a small drum lamp that looked very much like the headlamps, the Packard Six used a totally different light, mounting bracket and all, that was a drum shape too but had a much more elaborate design to the rim. that was light A-1956. The brackets the lamps that are mounted on the car that is shown here seem to be correct as well. The other lamps mounted down by the radiator up near the bumper are not shown in the accessory catalog ( although may be period , seem to be but perhaps were put on by the dealer or the owner at the time ) the only "accessory for night driving" lamps shown in the accessory catalog are Saf-De-Lites. These had about 1/3 of the front glass covered by a shield to direct the light towards the curb. Did not resemble any other lamp manufactured for this purpose of the era and were still available as Packard authorized accessories in 1930 for the 7th series cars of that year. I have a pair on my 1930 touring car . Everyone ( well almost) mounts a pair of Trippe lamps on their car for show purposes but there are at least a half dozen or more other lamps available during the 1920-32 era that were in use and at least on a Packard Trippe lights weren't necessarily the lamp of choice as suggested by the factory. Many times a single lamp was mounted at the center down in front of the radiator shell ( did not swivel, I am not talking about a Pilot Ray light) . Sorry to run on so long everyone - I base all my comments on what I have seen in either period photographs, or period literature issued by the factory or accessory stores like Nil Melior that was in NY City and was the "high end" accessory store for people who owned what today are called full classic cars. If I don't see it in print from a source during "the era" when the cars were being sold new , I don't comment on something. I won't/can't state something is "right" or correct unless I can prove it. It is why I do not judge cars at car shows ! I am to obsessed with period correct items to look at something and think "well that's close enough". Walt G
  10. Packard in 1924 issued a accessory catalog (No. 52 , so there were a few others issued over the years before this one) Packard knew how to add a few extra $ to the total cost of the car to let the customer personalize what he was buying. I have one of these 1924 accessory catalogs in my archives that also notes it was from the "General Accessories Department - Packard Motor Car Company of New York" 32 pages that are 9 1/2 x 12 1/2 inches. the wind wings and tonneau windshield are shown that is on the car here that is under discussion, but is a slightly different shape having rounded corners at the back edge. There are many many accessories show that were available for purchase, among the more interesting : a windshield visor - two piece in glass that fit on the outside top of the windshield frame on open body styles, not sedans. And an incredible amount of accessory spot lamps, running board lights etc. as well. Glad I had my file box of Packard accessory catalogs out ( I am currently working on / finishing up a story of the history of tonneau windshields in the USA) when this post was made, it was easy to look up to share the information with all of you.
  11. Matt, regarding your comment on the Bruick Roadmaster series 70 cars becoming full classics recently. I was on the Classification committee of CCCA at the time. Not only did the 70 series car share body panels with the Cadillac series 62 cars that had been deemed full classics years before , but the engine on the series 70 is the same as the 90 series Limited cars, and the chrome trim ( grille, parking lights, headlamp rims etc ) are all the same was well, even the seat handle adjuster on the front seat is the same as the Cadillac and has the same part number! ( I remember being at the CCCA annual meeting in Ga. a few years ago and talking to my friend Bob of Florida who had a Cadillac conv sedan that needed a seat adjusting handle. I looked at it and told him to expand his search to Buick parts as well as they were the same , and even the part number was the same, and he was quite pleased to know that!) The classification committee has a difficult task , trying to be fair as well as recognize cars and particular models that perhaps have been neglected or now have more information available on them. I know I spent endless hours/days looking at period material of all sorts for cars made on both sides of the Atlantic for facts to base decisions on. That is the way it should be. When I first joined AACA in 1965 the cut off date for vehicles to be accepted was 1935! Times and thoughts do change, as do people, and hopefully decisions that are fair and justified are still being made. I still think CCCA is a great club even though I am no longer a part of it.
  12. Marty & Peter - I joined AACA in 1965 when I was a teenager and not old enough to drive yet. My folks were not into "old" cars then but tolerated their sons madness and enthusiasm for them and took me to car meets . They thought the people we met were really nice and then made friends and although my parents never owned an old car helped me work on the ones I owned and we always attended meets together, they would drive my 41 Packard 120 woody and I would drive my 31 Franklin victoria. We would often swap cars - driving there and then driving home. They loved going to Hershey too ! The friendships you make are life long, and AACA is great for this. Many friends have passed away but there are many new ones as well. The cars get old(er) but the memories and friendships sustain and linger forever. I too encourage people to ask questions at cruise nights, talk to them and let them sit in my cars. I have never seen anyone not smile because of that. Walt
  13. Sure it does, most multi seat cars that are new have permanent seats - like the mini vans that used to be built did - you had to remove and relocate a seat to accommodate the number of passengers. Modern drivers are not used to seeing seats that fold and stow away in any form. Either a seat at the back of the car like your wagon Annie, or the ones like in our touring cars that fold up several times to finally land up against the back of the front seat for storage. This "revelation" of folding extra seats hit home when a good friend from Bayside, long island, NY came over with his 3 sons for a visit a few weeks ago. I showed them the cars in my garage (the 1930 Packard and a 1940 Buick Roadmaster conv sedan) and told them to try each seat out ( front , back and in the Packard the the "jump " seats) to see what it is like. They were hesitant/ reluctant at first and looked at their Dad to seek approval ( with a 'is Walt really gonna let us do this' look on their faces) as most collectors don't usually allow 3 kids to get in and out of their cars much less try all the seats out. They had a ball - it was an "oh wow" moment for them. It made me feel so good to see their reaction . Decades earlier friends let me sit in their pre war cars to see what it was like and I never forgot that, never will. I don't think my friends great sons, the most polite kids you could ever meet, will forget this either. Their Dad took photos of them sitting there and I know they created some good memories that day; and so did I.
  14. Lacquer is a lot of work BUT is easy to "spot" fix if you get a chip or scratch. I was taught how to paint using lacquer ( nitrocellulose or acrylic doesn't matter to me) so am a bit old fashioned ( stuck in a rut, won't go along with modern materials , a FOGEY- call it what you want!) TCP Global in SC is good. Many reading this may say " but lacquer cracks, isn't as strong as the other paints etc" Well a car I restored in 1972 I drove nearly 50,000 miles on the nitrocellulose paint ( used Bellco that came from England,) And it never cracked , checked or chipped. The final coat of paint I mixed some clear in the color coat so the clear had a pigment to cling /mix with and it polished out great and had that period shine to it, not a plastic look. I sold the car to a friend who still takes it to concours events where it is still winning 1st place awards. Will not mention his name as I don't think the judges realize that they are looking at a 40+ year old restoration. My current ride is a 1930 Packard with a lacquer paint job although until I bought it 2 years ago was a trailer queen , that is no longer , I do not own a trailer and believe in driving my cars .
  15. Marty love your Packard touring car , a twin to the one in my garage 25 feet from where I am typing this. " you know you're in heaven when you drive a car that seats seven". My thought for the day , and I can just imagine the people who know me that are reading this are shaking their heads and thinking 'Gosden is so corny'. And yes, they are absolutely correct.