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  1. John has it right, write down your remembrances. I am not just into auto history but have been the local historian for the village where I reside for 25 years. To hear what history is like first hand in the first person is priceless. Little facts, or observations then that we now know make it much more of a "real" history besides all the well know "usual" facts. It paints a bigger picture . It is "just the little things" that give a story presence, and puts you back to when it was happening.
  2. Yes Rudy Creteur ( Rollston CO.) and Hugo Pfau ( of LeBaron) were friends as well - to many people to recount. Many people had looked upon Hugo as just an office boy at LeBaron and discounted his worth - I got to know him quite well and he was a great artist/ illustrator, continued his career in design , just not car design. Hugo and his wife Irene did not live to far from me about 25 miles east . His book was one of the first to recount in hard cover the coach built era and he was very generous to me in sharing his knowledge as to the location of period material and accounts of what went on in that era. He did not "hoard" his information but shared it with people who he thought were sincerely deeply interested in the history aspect of what went on. Austin Clark and John Conde were also of the same attitude as was Ralph Dunwoodie. They were my inspiration to continue sharing the information with people that I know exists, it is why I started a few threads here on the forums. I keep repeating - just so much stuff of the pre WWII era that has never been told but the images and material do exist, it is just easier for some people to repeat what has been stated so many times before and give opinions rather then get down and do the research - that takes enormous amounts of time.
  3. Rene Dreyfus the pre war French race car driver and his brother Maurice who was his head mechanic, Sterling Moss English race car driver - had lunch together, Ed Marks and Carl Doman - chief engineers at the Franklin Company and later for Air Cooled Motors that made the engines for Bell helicopters and the Tucker car, spent a vacation week with them each year in central NY, Alec Ulman who started the Sebring race course in Florida, Janet Guthrie - race car driver , collectors Bill Harrah and Austin Clark were very close friends - vacation each year with Bill and other car people and the Hershey show as well, Austin was my boss for several decades when I worked for him in his library/archives, Charles Addams the cartoonist was a car guy/friend too that I supported he in and his wife Tee in a charity event, modern artist/sculptor Richard Lippold was another car guy friend. They were all just down to earth people ( except Alec who was the showman 24/7) . Plus numerous former employees of the Franklin Car company in the early 1970s when I helped host annual luncheon to honor them - oh the stories they could tell - especially former test driver Howard Carey, who would roll a test car at least once a month when he worked for Franklin .
  4. WOW !!!! I have ridden in similar vintage Buick, SGV and Simplex - quite an experience to behold.
  5. Pre lacquer era during the early car days going back into the horse drawn era. This is why Brewster and Co. had such a huge multi story factory building complex at the east end of the 59th Street Bridge ( Queensboro Bridge or is it now the Ed Koch Bridge - gets a new name every century or so ) since they were hand brush painting the bodies they built. The varnish based paint took days to dry , so the bodies had to be stored in proper conditions to allow that to happen. You would be amazed at what was sold when the contents of that Building were auctioned off in 1937, which I have a copy of. Barrels of paint, nails, etc. everything and anything to do with body construction plus about 15+ complete cars in assorted conditions. That is a topic for another story in itself.
  6. Received my July/August issue here on western long island , NY today. Another great issue with a wide variety of topics/subjects. Thanks to all who contribute to our fine club magazine. If you haven't contributed to Antique Automobile please consider doing so! Editor's are supposed to edit - that is what West does, they are not supposed to write the magazine . He can edit what you send in . SO VERY NICE to read the section about the AACA Library and Research Center as well - so very very important, not just to house the collection properly but to share it with all of us here!
  7. Dave, we have had nearly parallel experiences with the people we met and worked with! WOW. I had the same thing told to me - "will paint your car but you have to be here working side by side when it happens or it won't happen". Old timers taking one under their wing - indeed, true words. Seems we both appreciated who was going to show us what, and how to do to get the end results. Bob Patchke , my mentor also told me " when you are finished you will be ruined - you will never be able to look at another car again of any age without seeing any imperfections in the body and paint work, if it has a wavy panel, had a poor repair of metal, or putty in place of metal". He was right , add to that my obsession with period correct , authentic restorations using proper accessories etc. and I am not someone you want on a team judging cars. I saw this at the CCCA meet years ago in Shawnee ,Pa. - I wasn't overly critical but the head of the team I was on , Bruce Lane, chuckled everytime I made a comment. This was decades ago and Bruce told the other guys on the judging team "Walt is a historian , so is sharp when it comes to what is correct"...... he laughed after saying that and the others on the team just snickered. No. I do not judge cars, rarely did before, never now.
  8. I just read this all the way through now. THANK YOU to all who commented, what an education for everyone! Step by step lesson with "be aware of this before it happens" cautions. Thanks all for sharing your knowledge. Canvas pliers from an art store - yes, have used them for decades teaching art. Walt
  9. Dave your experience with what you state is exactly what I did in the 1971-74 era, for my 1931 Franklin and 1941 Packard. Wet the floor to keep any dust down, spray on some coats, sand it down, etc. The Franklin I did is still in its paint from that era and is at car shows and on tours to this day. If applied properly lacquer is durable and last a long time and on a car that can be driven thousands of miles for hours on end. The fellow that I worked with in his garage to paint my cars learned his skill/trade in the 1940s when lacquer was still a primary material for cars. He was a great teacher and it was all hands on from the first hour we started until we finished. It was a real "hands on" learning experience for me , one I have never forgotten and still use.
  10. The fact that they were kiln dried means that the pace that they could be produced was faster. You don't have a body in a kiln for a lot of time! these were wood structural framed bodies! One needs to consider what manufacturer was here - luxury car production was much lower then the production for popular family more common and popular makes of cars . Lacquer drys fast and hardens to the point of being ready to surface finish with heat . Have you ever painted with lacquer? It "flashes off" (Drys to the touch ) fairly quickly. I have painted several complete cars all pre WWII with lacquer and to get the painted surface ( primer or color coat) to set faster we used heat lamps.
  11. The hand rubbing would have been the wet sanding and polishing out what had been sprayed on. Spray guns to apply paint had been used for 4 or more years by 1930, paint was not applied by brush by the manufacturers who produced cars in a fair quantity.. With the further development of lacquer spraying was the way it was applied . DuPont "Duco" was developed to speed up the drying time over hand brushing and a lot of effort and time needed to sand/polish out brush strokes. 12 coats of color is not excessive - most of that was sanded off in the "polishing" process . Many articles in the trade magazines of that era about the new ability to spray on paint. These magazines were not for the most part available to or really cared about by the general car buying public as they were mostly technical. Autobody Trimmer & Painter was one. Cooper's was another, and there were more.
  12. I have a data book that is dated January 1930 - these were used by salesmen for quick reference for facts and ideas to promote the cars on sale in the showrooms. Many manufacturers had these data books specific to the new cars for specific year . Most had few illustrations in the 1920-34 era but many pages of information - this has 96 pages total. They were not large in size as they were made to fit in the pocket of a suit jacket. Here is the "data" on "Processes Undergone by Body in Paint Shop" as well as the page on what paint color combinations were offered from the P-A art department. Note the cost for some of the optional colors on certain models ! For the $100 charged for optional paint you could have bought a good condition used car that was only a few years old . Keep in mind the financial atmosphere when this book was issued, the Great Depression was not yet reality for most people as it was only a few months old. Most car manufacturers did not feel the financial hit until a year after the stock market collapse. Hope you find these pages interesting. I have already shared these with my friends Ed and George (Grimy)!! 😁 Walt
  13. Note that the spotlight on the windshield frame has the same style rim as the headlamps. By 1920 Packard issued an annual multi page b & w sales catalog illustrating accessories that were on offer for purchase by the Packard factory. PMCC did not make all the accessories themselves but their team would look at what was being produced and then if deemed worthy they would offer them as official factory equipment. I have collected a small pile/stack of factory accessory catalogs from about 1920 to 1941 and it is amazing what could have been purchased and added to the original price of the car. You could have bought a brand new Chevy, Plymouth, or Ford for the cost of a pile of accessories on your Packard. Add in the general non official accessory supply catalogs , flyers, etc and this would be a multi page article.
  14. No current names for the cars in my garage. When I owned my 31 Franklin it got named "Rosemont" after the Pa. town that was the location of the custom body builder that built the body. I know a lot of the British collectors name their cars and there was a collector of Packards in the Pacific NW area that had all kinds of "pretty" ( for lack of a better word) for his fleet but pet names for cars never did anything for me.
  15. I hope to have a story on Locomobile of the WWI to 1929-30 era finished before the end of the year , all images based/used will be period factory material ( many photos from a bound dealership/showroom album of huge proportions) or sales portfolios of the same era issued by the company. Focus will be on the cars but primarily also on the dealer in NY City and the connection to artist /designer J. Frank de Causse, who lived just a few blocks away from the Manhattan dealer. To many stories never told and waiting to be, just takes a lot of time, patience , access to the proper period information and what pieces of the puzzle can be found. There is just so much out there but you have to know how to look at it from the perspective of the era the cars were built in - who was the competition, how important were the several shows for the public to see the cars, etc......... Walt
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