edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) AJ- the Rolls certainly is a better car.....but if building a tow truck, I would have started with a car that had front wheel brakes! Edited November 27, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, JV Puleo said: That is Ralph Stein. The car was a Packard roadster he bought from ??? (I've forgotten the name) but he worked for Marcellus Hartley Dodge, the grandson of Marcellus Hartley, a principal of Schuyler, Hartley & Graham. That picture, and a description of the car can be found in Stein's "Treasury of the Automobile. " I also saw a reference to the gentleman he purchased it from on the Old Motor web site in a description of a car built for the Dodges. I think Stein traded it for an Alfa Romeo. Found it...the original owner was McClure Hally. Oh...and the device on the radiator cap is a tachometer... Mr. Hally of Hally's Comet fame, Ralph Stein had a great story of the build of this car at Zumback's in NYC. 1923 INDY 500 Mercedes team car fitted with a 1930's MILLER/OFFY for the Vanderbilt Cup race on Long Island. The car is beautifully restored today. There is a video of it driving onto a show field. Bob Edited November 27, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Maybe some of you have seen this photo (which I think is more recent) but the combination is a knockout. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/27/2020 at 11:07 AM, JV Puleo said: That is Ralph Stein. The car was a Packard roadster he bought from ??? (I've forgotten the name) but he worked for Marcellus Hartley Dodge, the grandson of Marcellus Hartley, a principal of Schuyler, Hartley & Graham - the military goods dealer. Hartley's business was extremely successful...in 1888 he bought the Remington Arms Company and was also the owner of Union Metallic Cartridge. He also founded an electric company that he sold to George Westinghouse. The grandson merged the two companies in 1912 resulting in Remington/UMC. That picture, and a description of the car can be found in Stein's "Treasury of the Automobile. " I also saw a reference to the gentleman he purchased it from on the Old Motor web site in a description of a car built for the Dodges. I think Stein traded it for an Alfa Romeo. Found it...the original owner was McClure Hally. Oh...and the device on the radiator cap is a tachometer... That gorgeous green 734 speedster that Gooding sold last year was originally owned by Halley and later Stein. Could this be the same car with later radiator and lamps? It says Stein acquired it around 1942 from Leo Pavelle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, md murray said: That gorgeous green 734 speedster that Gooding sold last year was originally owned by Halley and later Stein. Could this be the same car with later radiator and lamps? It says Stein acquired it around 1942 from Leo Pavelle. It is and the Google search turned up a nice history of Mr. Halley and his cars. This car won its class at Pebble Beach. Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) Well, this isn't a Indian motorcycle but is a 1936 Arrowhead made in California. the late Everett Miller gave me a brochure on the Arrowhead back in the 1970s when we would share stuff we had in our collections. I think he may have been responsible for the design/styling . More odd stuff from my archives, if you keep looking at this thread and have insomnia then you have found a cure............😌 Edited November 29, 2020 by Walt G clarification (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) Nice early PEERLESS..........bet that mirror would work good if there was no vibration. Edited November 29, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Quite the ride.............And the car isn’t too bad either! 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Interesting to see on the Peerless that the tires do not match all around. Rear tires have heavier tread then the front tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 DUI- he was arrested.....NJ. Quite the accomplishment. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The great outdoors...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34LaSalleClubSedan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 55 minutes ago, edinmass said: Quite the ride.............And the car isn’t too bad either! Third series 8.....343 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, edinmass said: DUI- he was arrested.....NJ. Quite the accomplishment. 1925 Buick 45A or 49A Fixed top Touring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 https://content.invisioncic.com/r277599/monthly_2020_11/4DC8303F-BF91-410F-880E-B584CA05D050.png.9d954b93db82afcc98daed4834b3fc9a.png Just how unusual are those Packard wheels, I can't remember ever seeing them. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The car nearest the hammock in the early camping scene appears to be a cross-engine Franklin rear-entrance tonneau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: https://content.invisioncic.com/r277599/monthly_2020_11/4DC8303F-BF91-410F-880E-B584CA05D050.png.9d954b93db82afcc98daed4834b3fc9a.png Just how unusual are those Packard wheels, I can't remember ever seeing them. Bob John Mereness and few other members were just discussing them in another thread a few months back- they were a one year only wheel I believe they said. They have a great look, there was a runabout wearing them @ Hershey 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 15 hours ago, dibarlaw said: 1925 Buick 45A or 49A Fixed top Touring. I don't see any fixed top in this photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Walt G said: Interesting to see on the Peerless that the tires do not match all around. Rear tires have heavier tread then the front tires. The wheels in Ed's great photo even have different numbers of spokes. I wonder what the little dust-mop/flag thing coming out of the radiator is? Probably a 1916-20 Peerless Model 56 with the 80 HP 332 Cu. In. engine, four-barrel carburetor, and dual exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The design was offered on 1925 Buicks as enclosed models. Touring, roadsters in both Standard and Master series. On this photo there are no visible top irons or sockets. More like a rail for the wood top bows. The side windows are of glass instead of regular flexible side curtains. Notice the sliding front passenger window. A close up view shows more of 1924 style rear top treatment. Not like similar REX accessory "California tops". I have also seen this style on a few 1926 Buicks. 1926-45A May have been a 1925 carryover. Period photo of 1925 Buick with glass curtains installed. Another accessory are the Tuarc disk wheels. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 I have not found it unusual for the wood spoke wheels of that era to have a different number of spokes between the rear and front wheels. the wheels stay on the car and the tires got changed with the detachable rim. Rear wheels usually having heavier spokes then the front wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, jeff_a said: The wheels in Ed's great photo even have different numbers of spokes. I wonder what the little dust-mop/flag thing coming out of the radiator is? Probably a 1916-20 Peerless Model 56 with the 80 HP 332 Cu. In. engine, four-barrel carburetor, and dual exhaust. It looks like a flag, possibly the French flag. There is another cape-topped phaeton to the left. An early concours? Any chance this is also a Leon Rubay body too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 As Walt noted about the wood spoke wheels, it was not uncommon to have 12-spoke wheels on the rear and 10-spoke wheels on the front. I have not found any historical design criteria for having 12-spoke wheels at the rear of a car. It was not universally done. Many period photos of cars show 10-spoke wheels front and back, but there are enough photos showing 10 front and 12 rear. Presumably it was up to the car manufacturer how they designed and produced their machines. I am guessing here, but perhaps the car designer/producer estimated that three passengers in the rear compartment warranted a more heavily built wood spoke wheel. However, since the engine compartment weight is carried mostly by the front 10-spoke wheels, I hardly think that the weight of three average adults in the rear seat would greatly exceed 10-spoke wheels. The unidentified flappy object near the radiator cap on the Peerless possibly is a small flag and a pennant flappy in the breeze. The possible pennant strongly resembles things I saw in Austria Germany's Bavaria. The two vertical stripes of color may represent the Austrian colors, if it is red and white. However it could be Bavarian and therefore blue and white. Regarding the wheel subject. The front wheels on my former 1920 Buick had 12 spokes front and rear, however the rear spokes were seriously strong when compared with the front spokes. I have looked at a lot of Buick wheels trying to understand the how and why for the spoke configuration on a K-45 touring car. After wading through a lot of Buick photos, a 1926 Buick Master Six Brougham Sedan surfaced, and thereby a similar set of 12-spoke wheels. The pictured '26 Buick and my '20 Buick touring are the only Buicks I have come across with wheels like this. The "why" of the question is still not answered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 hours ago, edinmass said: Quite the ride.............And the car isn’t too bad either! Perhaps if you are lucky, she will give you half of everything you own 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The "why" question about 12 spokes on the rear could have been for more torque than 10 spokes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, keiser31 said: The "why" question about 12 spokes on the rear could have been for more torque than 10 spokes. I have to believe this is the case. Remember, they didn't have any computers or finite element analysis to know how strong to make things, they were all flying on instinct when building these cars. The attitude was that if there was a concern, make it bigger and stronger so it wouldn't break. Would a 6-cylinder Buick have enough torque to break spokes? Unlikely. Were they able to conceive of a situation in which it might? Sure. Therefore, bigger spokes. QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Yes, more torque ( thanks Keiser) , plus the weight of the rear seat passengers and the loaded trunk and /or rear spare(s) all factor into the equation that the engineers at the factory took into consideration. Keep in mind the conditions of most of the roads in that era - they were built for travel by wagons that were horse drawn, not nicely paved with banked curves etc. The paved and banked roads did exist and the privately owned Long Island Motor Parkway was one of the best examples of a modern "highway" as we now know it. It was a toll road that ran right down the middle of long island . It opened in 1907! More historical information on that go to Vanderbiltcupraces.com . Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The "why" question about 12 spokes on the rear could have been for more torque than 10 spokes. That may well be true, keiser31. My '20 Buick with the monster spokes at the rear end was apparently used as a tractor or towing vehicle in the late stage of its life. The left-rear axle housing had been broken and welded at least two times, and there were two home-made "brackets" bolted to the rear axle that provided attachment for something. One of the brackets was bent and partially split. When I opened the rear end I found a number of gear teeth were chipped and broken. For all the strain / torque forced on this Buick somehow the wood wheel spokes survived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tph479 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1932 Packard 900 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 21 hours ago, keiser31 said: The "why" question about 12 spokes on the rear could have been for more torque than 10 spokes. Two wheel brakes were also the reason. Starting and stopping puts a twisting stress on the wheel's center. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 S.F.Edge in his Napier gave some thought to wheels & tires. Bob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 Bob - wow looks like he is all loaded to go to Hershey to set up in the Red Field and sell some stuff! Walt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Cole Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Greyhound Bus in 1923 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Cole Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Times Square 1922 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Cole Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Women welders at Lincoln Motor Company 1918. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Cole Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1961 Illuminated Tires. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, George Cole said: Women welders at Lincoln Motor Company 1918. They are actually soldering........Liberty aircraft cylinder water jackets on to the castings. A difficult and tedious job........there was a reason they hired women to do this process........but it was not how shall we say reasonable or politically correct. Edited December 1, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilgrim65 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, George Cole said: 1961 Illuminated Tires. From the headlight , wonder if car is ford Capri or classic 60s vintage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, edinmass said: They are actually soldering........Liberty aircraft cylinder water jackets on to the castings. A difficult and tedious job........there was a reason they hired women to do this process........but it was not how shall we say reasonable or politically correct. Cheap labor...but the high lead content in the solder and gases from the process...well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Gray dog, Gray Line competition back in the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Pilgrim65 said: From the headlight , wonder if car is ford Capri or classic 60s vintage Ford Consul 315. The hardtop was the cool looking Capri. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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