• Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

61 Excellent

About 58L-Y8

  • Rank
  • Birthday 07/01/1952

Profile Information

  • Location:
    Dalton, New York


  • Biography
    Became interested in old cars and automotive history in 1964 at 12 years old, with emphasis on independent and luxury marques, custom coachbuilders and the presonalities involved in the companies. There is always so much to learn even after nearly a half century of study. This is a good forum to further that objective.

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. Bump as a reminder, if you go to the auction, please give us a report. Better, if you buy this gem, please tell us about your new acquisition. Thanks.
  2. 1929 REO Flying Cloud Mate or 1930 REO Flying Cloud Model 15.
  3. Whatever else old collector cars are, they're a luxury, one doesn't have to have one to live. Sure, they can provide many enjoyable, worthwhile experiences, but so too can other avenues and activities which are less costly and less logistically challenging, especially for urban dwellers. Current demographic trends are increasingly toward discretionary spending for experiential enjoyment. Travel to participate in recreational, athletic activities consumes far more interests now than does the ownership of things to achieve that end. Car collecting isn't being helped by a generation raised on non-involvement with cars in general. We're all familiar with the constant attention functional systems of old cars require to keep them in operating condition. Since the advent of computerized engine electronic and fuel control, maintenance free chassis components and even less frequent oil changes have changed the attitude toward cars to that of an appliance. Those auction examples where significantly high prices are paid for rare, highly desirable cars are anomalies in the overall scheme of things. Its done by people insulated from the realities of life of the majority of the population by their wealth. For those with ordinary, run-of-the-mill, production cars, even in fine condition, the next owner has to perceive its ownership will be a genuine benefit in enough ways to even consider the price being ask. For younger people already strapped with demands on their disposable income, such an expenditure is viewed as unnecessary or simply beyond their capability. Off the soapbox. Steve
  4. Cord renumbered leftover 1936 models as well, never have read that before. It does make sense given the economic environment, especially for untried, relatively expensive cars such a Cord. Packard and Kaiser-Frazer both ended up renumbering masses of leftover cars in the 1948-'50 years purely because of management decisions to over-produce without adjusting to current sales demand. It cost both companies dearly, millions to clean up new discounted cars, diverted sales from their newest models, damaged their respective dealership organizations and flooded the used car with cars that depressed the resale value of their cars in general. The lingering damage contributed to the eventual demise of both carmakers, among those causes.
  5. Good, glad to know serious damage wasn't done, hard to tell from the poor photos. West, Will you be attending the auction?
  6. GregLaR Here's the link: http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20543&forum=4&post_id=202101#forumpost202101 Includes another link to a AACA Forum thread where this car has been discussed before. Anytime one runs across a club or formal sedan of questionable origin, the telltale is always the upper rear door frame which if its original will have the correct curved form and conforming drip molding. No one trying to create a club or formal sedan from the six window styles bothers to go to the trouble to get this key detail correct. Simply closing or "blanking out" the quarter window doesn't do the job. Not surprisingly, these ersatz efforts always seem to be credited to a custom coachbuilder with commensurate prices. Steve
  7. Packard added the four window club sedan for only the 1940 Eighteenth Series to the 120, 160 and 180 127" wheelbase models, none in 1939 Seventeenth Series, dropped it for 1941. Presumably this was in anticipation of the new Clipper to arrive mid-season. This car was discussed on our PackardInfo Forum at one time when it was offered on Craigslist. Some conclusion were drawn on how it may have come to be. I'll locate the topic and post a link. Steve
  8. I ran across this '58 Packard about twenty years ago in an auction at Norwich during the Memorial Day weekend events. Its a pretty solid, decent example. I have the numbers written down somewhere, recall it was about midway through the production year. Fast forward ten years, it shows up on eBay, then in the Geneseo, NY area. Next its was bought by a local garage owner in Nunda, who enjoyed it a few years before he fell ill with cancer and passed. Its been since sold, gone who knows where. But I expect it will come to my attention again here in a few years. My preference is for a 1957 Clipper town sedan, a good one.
  9. Typical of the "hey, let turn this rough sedan, coupe, whaterver into a snazzy roadster and cash in!" The telltales are always the surface development in specific areas: the cowl which were handled very differently on roadsters and phaetons versus closed styles. And the rear panels which are dead flat i.e. no lofting or gentle curvature which was the standard practice of professional coachbuilders. The quick-buck customizers don't have and/or aren't skilled in the use of the English wheel and panel-beating tools and its shows. I'm sure that Chris Bohman and Maurice Schwartz would take great issue with having this body 'credited' to them! Steve
  10. 58L-Y8 is the model designation for the 1958 Packard sedan, hardtop and station wagon. Oddly enough, I've never owned one. Elsewhere on-line, I go by 58L8134 which is the serial number of the last 1958 Packard built, the end of the line.
  11. Thanks, nice look at those artifacts of another time. Someone's First Series 1935 Graham Six expired in beautiful country.
  12. If anyone here attends the auction, please give us a report. Better yet, if you buy it, tell us all about it, body number etc.
  13. Apparently an effort was made to 'convert' this rare, highly desirable semi-custom LeBaron Sport Brougham into a two door coupe. Talk about a car falling into the wrong hands! Steve
  14. This auction to be held May 18th, 2019 at Laurelville, Ohio includes a 1941 Packard 180 LeBaron Sport Brougham! https://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/3272324.html?kwd=Packard&zip=14836&category=4 Photos: https://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/photopanel.cgi?listingid=3272324&category=4&zip=14836&kwd=Packard Its an ambitious project but extremely worthwhile given how rare and desirable this model is, hope it finds a new, appreciative conservator. Steve
  15. See Packard For Sale for auction details.