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  1. I am catching up on reading material by going through a September, 1907 copy of the Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal. During the period August 5-10, 1907 there was an Automobile Carnival at Atlantic City, N.J., with part of the festivities being races. A segment of the article is titled, "A Peculiar Accident," and it reads in part: "The only other event in which the mile was made under a minute was the special race for stock touring cars against time. The six-cylinder Stearns of Leeland was the only starter and after covering the course in 44 flat, just after passing the line the fly-wheel of the speeding car burst sending part of the floor boards and the dash high into the air and badly damaging the motor. No one was injured but the car could not compete in the next day’s races." That must have been quite a thrill for the driver. Yikes.
  2. OldBuicks2 -- the two hood latches are on the way. I mailed them this morning -- U.S. Postal Service. The total (postage and little CD box) came to $5.35. LeRoy.
  3. Spinneyhill, I gather you are referring to the broken left rear axle on the Buick. It was broken once, welded, and then it broke again. I can't be sure, but I suspect that it may have been broken and welded twice, before the final break. I imagine that the welding and induced heat did not do any favors to the metal, and perhaps reheating/welding compounded the problem.
  4. Yes, I have only two hood latches. There are supposed to be six but some scrounger removed four of them. You can have them if you want them, and if you pay the postage. Send your mailing address and I'll ship them off to you. LeRoy.
  5. OK, Morgan, it so happens I do have a 1920 Buick distributor cap. It appears to be in the best condition of anything on this derelict car. Sure, if someone needs it, wants it, let me know. Please do not ask about my speedometer. Apparently a field mouse ate the digits off of the display. Of course, if you realllllly need a vintage, seasoned speedometer then I have just the item you need. The price will be right. I deal in only the finest mouse eaten speedometers.
  6. Well, I have been slowly disassembling this 99 year-old Buick. It sat outside for many years. Anything that could rust is most definitely rusted. I can not crank the engine to learn if it is free or stuck, because I do not have a crank. I have tried to push in on spring-loaded shaft and turn the engine a little with a wrench but I simply could not do it. I do not know if the engine is free or stuck. The car originally was a touring car but all of the wood was gone, only some of the sheet metal exists, some of the metal was so bad that I tossed it. The poor car apparently had been used as a tractor or heavy towing vehicle. The left rear axle housing was broken at least two time, possibly three times. There is a lot of welding evidence there. In addition, the last weld that was done to it is broken. One of the hubs was also broken and welded back together at some time. The radiator appears to have been repaired probably three or maybe four times. I can see old wasp nests inside of the radiator. All four fenders had rough lives; all are dented, torn, amateur welding, and rust. Buick assembled these fenders from two parts, much like a tin can is put together with a rolled crimp. The joins of the rolled crimp are coming apart and quite rusted. All of the rods that connect foot pedals and the floor mounted lever are severely rusted and penetrating oils absolutely will not penetrate. The rust has basically fused the metal into solids, probably by growth of ferrous crystals. The two attached photos show a towing "hitch" ? bolted onto a braket where the left-rear spring pack attached. The close-up photo shows that the axle housing was broken, welded, and subsequently broken again. Apparently the engine had enough power to not only split the piece of pipe welded onto the bracket, and also break the axle housing several times. The towing device on the right side appears to be fine, and the axle housing is not broken. I have no clue what in the world this car was used for to cause this damage. Engine wise, there is between a 1/4 and a 1/2 inch of baked on crud on the engine. Scrapping with a putty knife gets some of it off, and a chisel and a little tapping with a hammer also helps break off hunks and chunks. In my opinion, because these old cars ran without any kind of air filtration, the inside of the engine more than likely is not in good condition. I do not see any economic sense in having this engine remanufactured. I am sure it could be done at a substantial cost, a cost that would not make my spouse happy. My intention is to make a speedster out of the hulk. Basically I intend to keep the frame, and spring packs. I may or may not keep the radiator shell, depending on if I can do something with the poor welding that was done on one mounting bracket. The firewall of the cowl will be a beginning point to build a body, and the rest of the cowl will be junked. I have been studying how to reengineer the windshield stanchions from its touring configuration into a speedster configuration, more along the lines of a Kissel or Daniels. I have been seriously studying the dimensions of various modern replacement engines. The interior of the '20 Buick's hood appears to be a little too narrow for a Chevy 327 / 350 small block. Consequently the speedster probably will have to be built with a straight 6 cylinder such as a Chevy 235 or Ford 300 cu. in. I kind of favor the Chevy, being a G.M. engine in a Buick. It's a 130 H.P. I think I would like to use a Ford 9 inch rear end with a 3:55 gear ratio, and a manual transmission. That would be an adequate package. It wouldn't have the sound of a 327 V-8, but the straight 6 would still work out pretty good.
  7. Hmmm. Port holes in the hood of a Daniels? I do not have many examples the Daniels speedsters, but I am not familiar with port holes in the hood. Where are the holes located. Do you have a photo?
  8. Hmmm. I have not seen a Daniels touring car like that. I surely doesn't have nearly the same glitz as the '21 D-19 "Submarine" speedster. The Daniels had a 130 inch wheelbase, which makes it appear longer than a similar Kissel. The hood on the Daniels appears to be long enough to cover a straight 8 engine. When the hood is open the V-8 looks like it has plenty of space in the roomy engine compartment.
  9. Thank you, one and all for the posted replies. I appreciate your effort. It looks like Denver is my closest encounter for a Kissel. I have had the hots for a Kissel for many years, ever since I road in the rumble seat of a Gold Bug on a Fall Foilage tour in Minnesota, back about 1966 or so. I was back home from the Army at that time. At that time that beautiful yellow Kissel belonged to Mr. and Mrs. Johnson, of Cokato, Minnesota. I finished college in 1969 and immediately hired on with The Company. In 1972 I returned from an overseas assignment and met up with the Johnson's again. At the time they had the Kissel and a beautifully restored Rickenbacher roadster for sale. The price was $7,500 for both cars. The only problem -- I was married and we only had exactly $7,500 in the bank. I try not to think about "the one that got away." As compensation I ended up with a 1935 Terraplane four door sedan at a price of $300. The Terraplane was 100 percent original, from the original owner, and it had the original battery, tires, World War Two ration stickers on the windshield, and it had 24,000 original miles. The attached photo was taken in a park in Waconia, Minnesota.
  10. I live in western Colorado. Would very much like to spend quality time with either (or both) a Kissel Gold Bug speedster, or a Daniels speedster. I would like to observe details, measurements, and take digital photography. Is there a owner of such a Kissel or Daniels closer to me than the Kissel museum in Wisconsin, who would be kind enough to permit my reconnaissance mission? If not, I know where the Kissel museum is, even though I have not been there. I have no idea where to locate a Daniels. The general automobile styles I hope to inspect are 1924 Kissel and 1921 Daniels, although not necessarily the specific cars in the attached photos. I am interested in the body styles, dimensions, and integration of components.
  11. Don, it has to be a great site to see that speedster coming down the road, the driver wearing goggles, maybe even an old airplane type fliers skull cap. Maybe even a long red or white scarf flowing in the wind like the Red Baron in World War One. Ha. I would love to see it.
  12. Good morning, Don: Wow, over 80 in it? Even with a seat belt and goggles that would be scary. My buddy had a "hot" Model T in which we could easily do 45. When we were young and bullet proof that was fun. Looking back over the years my need for speed now is not what it was 60 years ago. I guess I never really had the need for speed anyway, because the '64 Corvette I bought after Vietnam never went over 80. I am hoping to produce a Buick that looks pretty much like a real deal Buick speedster from the factory, with updated automotives under the hood, frame, and skin. One of my deceased uncles was a superior mechanic and craftsman who transformed a two-door '49 Chevy Fleetline into a '49 Chevy "El Camino", complete with pickup cab and box with oak and metal strip floor. That '49 El Camino looked like it came directly out of a Chevy factory; maybe a "concept car" for a future El Camino model.
  13. Larry, I can certainly believe that the Buick chassis was used for trucks. It is way overbuilt for a passenger car. As the beauty queen sits on jack stands in my garage, it has two different wheels that are not Buick. I do not know what the wheels are from. The front wheels have thinner spokes, but are not as long a real Buick spokes. The rear wheels are from something but clearly not Buick. The remains of tires on the front wheels are 32 X 6, and the remains of tires on the rear are 6.50 X 20. Attached are photos of the front and rear wheels. The rear spokes look like heavy duty make, possibly from a heavy truck. The third photo shows an unrestored '20 Buick K-45 touring. Obviously the wheels on my resident Buick are not correct. The clinchers on the steel rims are embossed with the word Firestone.
  14. Don, that is fine looking racer. I am happy to see the fuel tank was relocated from the dangerous Pinto location. The racer cut of the cowl and passenger area is very well done. Is there even a windshield on the cowl, or is just very scant? The photo you posted is interesting and educational. I see how relatively high it sits. I have been studying the American Underslung design, and have been mulling over the possibility of turning the Buick frame upside down to create a Buick Underslung Speedster. I need to strip off the car and take it down to the frame to make a better assessment of the possibilities. I am constrained from doing anything with the hulk because I am waiting to have it inspected by the Colorado Highway Patrol. I need a "Rebuilder's Title" giving me official possession of the car and allowing me to work on it. The Patrol Officer and I will agree on what I need in the finished product, such as two tail lights, turn signal lights, backup lights, headlights, proper brakes, windshield glass, and a windshield wiper. The final product needs to pass inspection to be operated on the roads, and of course that would satisfy the automobile insurance folks. While I have plans and ideas I need to be patient with the slow progress of getting legal. The Patrol Officer called and was to come to my house on Sunday, but he was detained by something more important than my rust bucket. Now I need to wait until next week sometime before he can visit. Attached are several photos of American Underslung vehicles, both 1914 years. Inverting the frame really lowers a car, one of the points in making a racer / speedster. At this point I am not sure if inverting the frame will work with this '20 Buick, but it is something to consider.
  15. ROD W -- thank you for the information. I took another look at the "beauty queen" and the windshield does indeed slant back. Rather racy and exciting. The speedometer is about as sorry a mess as one could hope to find. It looks like a mouse ate the digits off of the face. The rotary material of the digits looks like a some sort of rubber or old plastic. After checking the digits that were not eaten, for what it is worth, the mileage is 13122, with 944 miles on the trip meter. This Buick is a prime candidate for a modern Timewise speedometer. Anything I do to this fine automobile will be an improvement. Ha.