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Could the admins of our forum please consider this.

 

Any car posted for sale is subject to criticism, possibly to the detriment of the seller.  Possibly not, as Google tells all at times.

 

Could we please have a choice, should be easy…. For sale with comments, or for sale locked…. With no comments.

 

A lot of forums are now Deal or No Deal (DOND) but no comments allowed, just bid…
 

 

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Good idea, but I'm sure we'd still get lots of comments - "beware of scammers and bandits" in separate posts. 

Terry 

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FWIIW I find a lot of pertinent comments useful, especially where incorrect trim, door handles, hub caps etc have been installed or a later engine (motor) has been fitted. Unless you know a model intimately, there are things that may appear correct but are not. I am amazed at the wealth of knowledge this forum has, it would be a shame to prevent that.

 

Just my two bobs worth ( given the exchange rate now US$0.0568)

Rodney 😀😀😀😀😀

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I'm with Rodney. I know I am prone to look at them with stars in my eyes. Comments,  especially knowledgeable criticism are very valuable and could save someone from making an expensive mistake. On the other hand, in some cases it could be rarer and more desirable or more valuable than the seller thinks.

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27 minutes ago, bryankazmer said:

 I think comments regarding authenticity are totally appropriate.  I personally refrain from any comment on pricing.

Comments are vital.  For example, one for-sale listing

a few years ago was for a 1930's Imperial phaeton, 

said to have a custom body.  It even had a custom

body manufacturer's nameplate affixed.

 

Alert forum-goers pointed out that the car was a fake:

It had been cut down from a 4-door sedan.  Even our own

editor, West Peterson, agreed.  Their knowledge, posted

on the thread, saved  potential buyers TENS OF THOUSANDS

OF DOLLARS and a huge mistake!

 

Wouldn't a fakir love to select "No Comments" on his unauthentic car!

I agree with Bryan above.  

 

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I hate to say it but usually the brutal treatment is brought on by the seller.  Probably not on purpose....but.   The advertisement is missing, price, location, etc.   Clearly misrepresents the car,  condition as seen in pictures  etc.

 

A lot of times guys bend over backwards to help the clueless sellers which we seem to get a lot of.

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52 minutes ago, trimacar said:

Any car posted for sale is subject to criticism, possibly to the detriment of the seller.  

David, I see the forum like a car corral.

A car is presented for sale, and forum-goers stand

around and discuss it.  Some may exclaim how

magnificent it is;  or how seldom seen that model

may be.  Others may notice incorrect details. 

 

Knowing the truth about a car can't be a detriment.

An honest seller shouldn't mind if others find out

that the seat material is wrong, or the car has

something wrong in the engine compartment--

in fact, he should have stated that from the beginning.

But some sellers aren't forthright.

 

Corrective comments should be respectful and courteous.

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Dad and I went to a local collector car auction probably 15 years ago and saw a '68 Buick Wildcat convertible for sale.  The hood was up and I pointed out some obviously incorrect items to Dad since we had owned a '68 Wildcat 2-door hardtop.  A guy came up, looked at us, then closed the hood.  He turned out to be the owner.  Ironically, several years later a guy at work who I didn't know brought the same car or an identical one to our company car show.    

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I agree comments are useful as long as they are not derogatory. I find reading the comments on Bring a Trailer auction both amusing and helpful. We can already report a comment that is not appropriate. 

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A person having no experience with vintage cars. Wanting to get involved and purchase a car. Could learn so much by just watching this forum, and reading members comments. Whether it is in the technical section, general section or the for sale section. It is a fine line to comment on a car for sale, and not come across as criticizing the car. Which can hurt the sale of the car. Or paint the seller in a bad light. But to a person not  familiar with vintage cars, an industry and a car market. This forum, with free flowing comments from a large collection of people involved in all aspects of the hobby/industry. Is like attending car collage at no cost. Understand the thought behind the concern.

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1 hour ago, joe_padavano said:

The problem with "no comments" is that sellers sometimes have their item improperly identified. Yes, it would be nice if folks would grow up and not play "price cop".

The problem with "comments" is that the person making the comment is often wrong.

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Written words come across very flat. And can be misinterpreted. I try not to comment on the cars for sale. If the car is not finished out to a show level. There is always something wrong with them. The not mine section, is very different than the user members cars for sale. You do not get the same comments in the user members section. So people do watch what they say to each other.

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I think it would be a mistake to remove the comments. I have learned so much about so many cars, engines etc. One thing that I have noticed is that many sellers stop responding to their own post, which makes me suspicious that they were trying to pull a fast one and got caught by the collective knowledge of the membership. Removing comments would allow the occasional crook to sneak past this line of defense.

 

We do have a system to report inappropriate responses, and this self-policing helps to keep things civil. I have found the moderators to be pretty fair, given how difficult their job is.

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12 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

I know I always enjoy people telling me how much money I'm allowed to make. That's why I don't post cars here anymore.

Perfectly understood.  You are a dealer who seems to work on mostly consignments, and your profit spread is your business.

 

Occasionally a car gets posted for sale, with an easily found history ( the Internet tells all ), and any criticism of flipping or price increase is resented by seller, even though it’s public knowledge if one searches…

 

Any car for sale posted on this forum will generate comments, moreso if those in the know ( i.e a thirty second Google search) make value comments.

 

In the end, what someone paid for a car means nothing, it’s the market which decides final price…

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When someone asks what we (the forum) think about restoring a car I think they should take those comments into consideration and then do what they want.  The best advice I got at an early age from one of the top restorers in the country was to know when to walk or run away.

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3 hours ago, Xander Wildeisen said:

A person having no experience with vintage cars. Wanting to get involved and purchase a car. Could learn so much by just watching this forum, and reading members comments. Whether it is in the technical section, general section or the for sale section. It is a fine line to comment on a car for sale, and not come across as criticizing the car. Which can hurt the sale of the car. Or paint the seller in a bad light. But to a person not  familiar with vintage cars, an industry and a car market. This forum, with free flowing comments from a large collection of people involved in all aspects of the hobby/industry. Is like attending car collage at no cost. Understand the thought behind the concern.

Not everyone knows everything about all cars, or really cares to in some cases.  A Hudson was posted a few days ago with a question asked about something being wrong. Turned out go have a straight six Chevy engine as rusted away as the car it was stuffed in and looked like it matched to me. A walk by in real life but a quick read with morning coffee. 

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I think it would be a mistake to eliminate comments...

 

That said, if I was new to this game, and took much of the advice given here seriously, I'd quit and do something else. The constant harping on asking price and "you'll be underwater" gets tiresome. It's very simple. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. But not all of us do this to make a profit and I suspect many of us never expect to. Still, how often do we see cars advertised with prices that are two or three times their realistic value. If people were not allowed to point this out, the "for sale" thread would be a dumping ground for the overpriced. Think of the recent thread on the Pierce Arrow in a cellar...the description came from a (theoretically) competent specialist collector magazine but it was full of howlers. If the car had been "for sale", and comments were not allowed, how would someone new know that the author of the article knew virtually nothing about '20s Pierce Arrows?

 

Regardless of what may be disclaimed (because most people don't pay any attention to disclaimers), it would appear that the AACA sanctioned fantasy prices and someone new, with no exposure to the hobby except the internet or idiotic television shows, would be at a severe disadvantage.

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8 hours ago, JV Puleo said:

I think it would be a mistake to eliminate comments...

 

That said, if I was new to this game, and took much of the advice given here seriously, I'd quit and do something else. The constant harping on asking price and "you'll be underwater" gets tiresome. It's very simple. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. But not all of us do this to make a profit and I suspect many of us never expect to. Still, how often do we see cars advertised with prices that are two or three times their realistic value. If people were not allowed to point this out, the "for sale" thread would be a dumping ground for the overpriced. Think of the recent thread on the Pierce Arrow in a cellar...the description came from a (theoretically) competent specialist collector magazine but it was full of howlers. If the car had been "for sale", and comments were not allowed, how would someone new know that the author of the article knew virtually nothing about '20s Pierce Arrows?

 

Regardless of what may be disclaimed (because most people don't pay any attention to disclaimers), it would appear that the AACA sanctioned fantasy prices and someone new, with no exposure to the hobby except the internet or idiotic television shows, would be at a severe disadvantage.

Joe,

 

You make a good point, that a newbie coming here and actually paying attention to what we’re saying would be smart to run away screaming. We should consider some of the hard advice, and soften it, to lure other unsuspecting idiots into our hobby.

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I like David's approach of letting the poster decide.

 

If one chooses to list a car without allowing comments, we learn about a potentially interesting cat (like Locomobile in general section earlier this week.  If newbie had a price in mind he may have just as easilly opted to list it for sale).  Then we have the option to follow up or ignore.

 

Bear in mind we already have the not mine section (love it) where comments abound.

 

A seller may welcome feedback and the interactions that allow them to go into more detail which is great as well.  

 

Price police comments are tough to avoid and I would agree are a turn off in general.  The market eventually informs everyone...

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Here's a good example of the need for comments:

On another forum, a member asked for help putting a price on an engine. This particular engine is very rare, as few were made, so if authentic it could be worth upwards of $20,000.00.

Two pages of comments followed, asking for serial number, pictures, details, etc.

No response from the OP.

Finally, the OP thanked us for our comments. And that was it 

I don't know why he wouldn't share any details with us, and I won't try to guess at his reasoning.

Without comments, I can see this engine being listed as authentic, and perhaps someone would be foolish enough to buy it without verification.

Although it is not my responsibility to save you from your own stupidity, I don't want to imagine a world where we don't at least try to call out the crooks.

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17 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:

I have been on the forum since 2006. I sure wouldn't post a car for sale in front of this audience. Too rough a crowd.

 

 

Yes, a tough (maybe not rough) crowd, but not generally antagonistic - at least in my view-

 

I've sold some cars through this forum, described as accurately as possible,

and the purchasers surely seemed pleased with the result and the car.

 

 

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The comment about the possible misunderstanding that AACA might be 

sanctioning prices is very thoughtful. 
 

Lets never forget who is our Host here, and be ever vigilant for the Good of the Order. 
 

(Plus the muss ups are a lot of fun…)

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