Ambitious projects galore: Packards, Cadillacs, Pierce-Arrows et al

[58L-Y8]

Take your pick and bid...if you dare:

Collar City Auctions (collarcityauctionsonline.com)

 

[prewarnut]

I'm hoping the inoperable Caddys are inoperable because they have no keys. What do you think?

[ch1929]

Wow!

[58L-Y8]

These cars were bought up years ago and stuffed into a warehouse.  As you can see by condition, they are junkyard refugees which haven't run in years, maybe decades.  Most are parts cars or maybe one step above that.  There are a few worthwhile ambitious projects mixed in.

[8E45E]

Thankfully, they are too far away.

 

Now who does the work of moving the other cars out of the way if the one you've just won the high bid on is farthest from the door??

 

Craig

[edinmass]

Owned by a friend of mine. Read the auction rules, dates, pick up, ect.........lots of details to understand BEFORE you bid. Many won’t even roll......no tires, no wheels, ect. He actually has more cars......he is selling off the parts cars and projects. All are marked bill of sale only. Unless you own equipment to haul cars.........be sure you have someone who can handle the pick up........... Loading those things in December or January in up state...........I’m freezing just thinking about it.

[auburnseeker]

Looks like an indoor junk yard with the exception of maybe 15 cars.  Those look like back row used car lot refugees but have some potential.  As Ed Mentioned just the thought of retrieving them knocks alot off any value left in most. 

[edinmass]

21 minutes ago, 8E45E said:

Thankfully, they are too far away.

 

Now who does the work of moving the other cars out of the way if the one you've just won the high bid on is farthest from the door??

 

Craig

A very nice retired gentleman. I have worked with him in the past. 

 

 

[SC38dls]

The only way buying a car in the back of a packed warehouse is if you make the deal to buy the car but you get to leave behind the parts you don’t want!  
dave s 

[JimKB1MCV]

   This is a large collection in several buildings, and the cars in the OP link are the project cars.

   Heres a FB blurb from the  auction people, shows some of the better cars in (I think) a different building.

 

https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=1242687939581397&_rdr

 

  The auction company isn't an automotive specialist house and their conditions for picking up cars after the auction may be a tad stringent.

 

  I bought a Packard Super Eight engine from the collection owner a few years ago, and as Ed has said, an old school gentleman.

 

 

[edinmass]

6 minutes ago, SC38dls said:

The only way buying a car in the back of a packed warehouse is if you make the deal to buy the car but you get to leave behind the parts you don’t want!  
dave s 

 

We often buy parts cars on the other side of the country. We will haul them to a junk yard........and cut them up on location........dumping the junk and trash, and hauling home only the salvage. Over the years a few families were horrified that grandpa’s car was only junk and some parts. We finally stopped doing it on location and would go down the road a bit to prevent distress to them. Between John and I we have probably cut up thirty Pierce cars, both 8’s and 12’s. And........we are cutting up two this week. A 1934 has crossed the junk yard bridge Monday to Wednesday this week, next week, a 1936 Club Sedan. Cant save them all, and 90 percent of what we have pulled apart went to saving other cars. Recently, decent project cars are becoming candidates for turning into parts, as fewer people are doing restorations. Things are coming full circle.

Edited November 5, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history)

[F&J]

Can you imagine how well it's going to go if you bought one and wonder which day/week it will get dragged out?   Logistics nightmare for a buyer if the sellers removal schedule keeps changing due to difficulties or weather, etc.  You'd be on call with your trailer at a motel? 

Removal: By Appointment and IN LOT ORDER OF SALE Only, Approximately 10-Cars Daily shall be removed by the Sellers Staff to the parking lot beginning Monday, November 29 and continuing Monday - Friday until all are removed

 

 

 Phase 1 of 3:

 More cars in later auctions there?

[Ed Luddy]

I'd like to have the Avanti's, but no paperwork kills it to get across the USA/Canada border.

[The 55er]

1 hour ago, prewarnut said:

I'm hoping the inoperable Caddys are inoperable because they have no keys. What do you think?

I think it would be a minor miracle if any of these specimens didn't have a seized engine or cracked block after all these years. Having keys made to fit the ignitions & locks would be the least of your problems. It's possible many were bought from private owners, towing companies or salvage yards and they were parked with mechanical problems 40-50 years ago. 

[1912Staver]

Beyond mind- boggling. There has to be a good percentage of all the existing Caribbean's in this collection. 

[edinmass]

 

Look at the bright side........there is about to be a bunch of parts available for Packards. Bet Max Merritt goes to town on a lot of these cars.....

[1912Staver]

As Ed Luddy has already pointed out , it really is a pitty that virtually none of these cars can be exported to places where cars like these are almost non- existent. Canada and Europe for example.  No title= no approval for export stamp from U.S. Customs. 

Edited November 5, 2021 by 1912Staver (see edit history)

[John Bloom]

I am placing the over/under at 4.9 divorces will result from these cars. 
 

 

[Skvitt]

20 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:

As Ed Luddy has already pointed out , it really is a pitty that virtually none of these cars can be exported to places where cars like these are almost non- existent. Canada and Europe for example.  No title= no approval for export stamp from U.S. Customs. 

There's got to be a way to title the car based on bill of sale. Perhaps it is PITA and not worth the effort.

[1912Staver]

I guess that may be possible. But I have no experience with NY State laws. Perhaps Ed or someone from NY can give a opinion  ?  From my experience in Washington State  { next door to me } it's all but an impossibility. But I am aware that Title rules vary tremendously from State to State.

[edinmass]

I can get you a title for a chicken, if it has a VIN number. How much time, effort, and cost? Well, thats another LONG story. Personally I have never had to resort to the work arounds, I just walk away. No, I won't help you get one, and no, I won't give you contact info. 

[1912Staver]

Thanks Ed, as usual brutally honest. I love Caribbean's even if only as yard art. But by the time I got one home I am sure I would be looking at 10 G's at least.

[alsancle]

Did I count dozen Caribbean’s? I love them. Especially the 53 and 54. But I can tell you there is a lot of chrome, leather, and paint on those cars. Although the mechanics are simple the restoration would be mind boggling from an expense perspective.

[edinmass]

Yard art........yes, lots of it there in that building. It's actually the Willoughby Body Company plant.....where they built production, batch, and one off bodies during the Classic Era. So, buying a car gets yo a look at where they were when new......

[JACK M]

"No transferable paper work"

Squelches any chance of real proof of ownership.

In Oregon you couldn't even crush them legally.

[George Smolinski]

I like the continental kit on item #29.

[DrData]

The man surely loved his Packards! Then, in the middle, a lovely Alfa Spider and a not too bad looking TR 4. Too bad the Morgan was left to die a slow death.

[58L-Y8]

New York State began issuing car titles for the 1973 model year.  None of these cars if sold and registered in New York ever had titles.    One can apply for using the lost title procedure to register the car again though here a bill of sale and verification the stated vehicle number matches what's on the serial number will be sufficient.  There are State inspection locations that inspect cars so they can be registered again after salvage rebuilds so these wouldn't be impossible.  That said, its unlike any of these will ever return to the roads, maybe a half dozen at most.    

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[1912Staver]

1 hour ago, DrData said:

The man surely loved his Packards! Then, in the middle, a lovely Alfa Spider and a not too bad looking TR 4. Too bad the Morgan was left to die a slow death.

 

I think that the one car out of this group that will be restored with almost 100% certainty is the Morgan. People are today driving  cars that were at one time way worse than this one. As long as you have a Chassis tag you have a Morgan . Brand new frames and bodies are a phone call away. Some of the gearbox and rear end parts are hard to source, but 99.9 % of everything else is available. And with the market value of restored Morgan's being so high you might not even be underwater at the end if you are reasonably carefull on how you spend money / do as much as possible yourself. Few other cars are as simple, but sell for so much.

 Live with a Morgan for 6 months and they will probably have to pry your hands off the steering wheel. About the only time a Morgan comes on the market these days is an estate sale. Once you get one you will most likely die owning it. About the best car in the world under $100,000.00 if you are a Morgan person, pitty there at least 2.5 Morgan people for every existent car.

Edited November 5, 2021 by 1912Staver (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

If that warehouse was across the street from this keyboard there isn't anything in it worth walking over to look at. I'm guessing the real value is in the used brick the buildings are built with, if you were allowed to set up the brick cleaning equipment there on site. 

 

Bob 

[1912Staver]

There was a Morgan project, estate sale 2 Summers ago near me. Possibly a bit better than the one in the warehouse but not by much. And it was the Ford Cortina powered car, bottom of the Morgan line up. It was advertised for $7,500.00 and the guy was deluged with calls. It ended up sold at $13,000.00. Both a good friend and myself are kicking ourselves for not going higher.

They very rarely come up for sale in these parts. Absolutely rabid following.

[alsancle]

There are some great parts cars. 

[1937hd45]

32 minutes ago, alsancle said:

There are some great parts cars. 

The indoor version of the Model T Ford Parts Haven auction, wonder which auction will gross more in total sales? 

 

 

[SuperJonas]

The '65 and '66 Imperials look potentially salvageable for the right person; not a lot left of the '64 Imperial convertibles, 2 of the 922 built that year which will never see the road again. Such as it is for most of the rest of the lot here. Let's hope the parts can make their way into other projects. 

[intimeold]

WOW, is all that I can say.  A lot of heavy iron.

 

Maybe the Avanti's for parts, or the Caribbean's

 

But my reason for posting is about the titles. I was a automobile/motorcycle dealer and a registered Notary too. We have seen just about every kind of "Bad Title", and No title, mess. And yes it is a mess sometimes. 

 

With the advent of the computer age; what was done years ago cannot be done today.  Well not by individuals; but salvage companies do still have ways. 

 

The Title Companies were pretty Hot, 15-20 years ago; but some States won't accept, their paper work any more. But some States still do.  It really matters, where You live; or want to title the vehicle.

 

What I'm saying, It is still being done today; but is it WORTH it. $$$$ and time.  I just recently had the "Pleasure" of working on a title for a motorcycle.  Not Stolen. Sold at an estate auction in the early 1970's, with (can't find the title).  Then it changed hands several times until just recently.  It could have and should have been fixed right after the auction in 1970, but wasn't. Now all the original Heirs to the owners are dead. So a Death certificate is unobtainable. Big Problem.

 

We do have a new title in our hands.  It took about 6 months and several court dates and a little luck at the DMV, and $$.  Worth it?  Yes. on this one

 

 

 

 

[wayne sheldon]

Califunny law states quite clearly that you cannot fix a missing title until the car is made roadworthy! Fortunately, usually, it can be done. I sure hope so still, I have two to do soon.

[Ed Luddy]

On 11/5/2021 at 11:41 AM, 1912Staver said:

As Ed Luddy has already pointed out , it really is a pitty that virtually none of these cars can be exported to places where cars like these are almost non- existent. Canada and Europe for example.  No title= no approval for export stamp from U.S. Customs. 

I've brought 5 cars over the US/Can. border over the last 20 years. All from different states, all with a title. My experience has been good if you have the paperwork, and do all you importing properly. I've asked a few times about no title and have been told to forget it unless I'm in the mood for lots of hassle and no car in the end!

[JV Puleo]

RI will provide an official letter for export purposes identifying a car as never having had a title...since the state didn't start issuing them until the mid-1970s. For some reason, this is only for export. They will not provide it for states that require a title and where the DMV personnel are too stupid or lazy to to look that up.

[1912Staver]

That might work in this case. But I have a feeling the Morgan will be close to $10,000.00 hammer price by the time the dust settles.

This one sold for $16,000.00 on Bring A Trailer , back in Febuary. { the rest of the parts were included } It was also even farther away in Florida . But it was in better condition and had a title.  By the time I got the warehouse one across the border and across North America to my place I would probably have at least $15,000.00 CDN. and change into it.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by 1912Staver (see edit history)

[1912Staver]

Thats the one. Morgan +4 , Triumph engine. A lot more desirable than the 1600 Ford Cortina engine { Morgan 4 / 4 } that was also offered. They sell for quite a bit more than the small engine car. At $5,000.00 he could probably sell a dozen of them, I expect close to double that.