keiser31 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Off topic, but car related....wreck on the last lap of the Daytona 500 sent Ryan Newman to the hospital. We will hope for the best outcome. Edited February 18, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosmo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Yes, I was tuned into the event when that happened. Sincerely hope the man survives what certainly looked to be an extremely nasty crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3macboys Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 From Nascar - Serious but not life threatening - some good news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I'm glad Ryan is going to be OK. That was a really exciting finish but I really hated to see a Junkota win again.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron65 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 That was an awful wreck. If they continue to race at Daytona and Talladega, this will happen, but they should reconsider their unlimited "green-white-checkered" policy. They just keep wrecking and lining it up to do it all over again. If the race finished under caution like it used to, even to the detriment of the "show," there would probably be a lot fewer wrecked race cars, and in this case, one less injured driver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Buck Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) NASCAR’s restrictor plate program is to racing as the WWE is to wrestling ... 🥺 Edited February 18, 2020 by Uncle_Buck (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 hours ago, 3macboys said: From Nascar - Serious but not life threatening - some good news That IS good news that Newman survived; however, "not life threatening" does not necessarily mean "not life changing". I think we're all praying for a FULL recovery for Ryan Newman. Regards, Grog 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I'm sorry about the driver, but I stopped caring about NASCAR when stock cars stopped being "stock". What was the last Toyota (or Ford for that matter) that you could buy with a pushrod V8? When was the last time you could buy a "two door" Camry? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john hess Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Exactly.... !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Modern NASCAR racing seems to consist of several hours of two lane chains of cars going at almost exactly the same speed (+/- 3 mph). Had to use my backup DVR since was not on the cable schedule but got it. Finish was something out of Stroker Ace (the book not the turkey). From 1st to 4th while airborne. That said modern safety equipment is awesome. Frankly I liked it better when some were faster on the straight and others were faster on the banking & not who is best at drafting. Could look at the banking from the infield and see who had their tail out. Not recent though, "Days of Thunder" thutty yar ago had the same issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) It's not 'stock car" racing anymore, it's nascar. (< small letters to denigrate.) BIG difference !!!!!!!!!! Our prayers go out to Ryan !!! Mike in Colorado Edited February 18, 2020 by FLYER15015 (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, joe_padavano said: I'm sorry about the driver, but I stopped caring about NASCAR when stock cars stopped being "stock". What was the last Toyota (or Ford for that matter) that you could buy with a pushrod V8? When was the last time you could buy a "two door" Camry? Don't be sorry, Many of us feel the same way too. There is just one thing though. In order to be honest, NASCAR needs to change it's name. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46 woodie Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 NASCAR will continue allowing the "bump drafting" until one of their big names gets killed. Ryan Newman had the race won until that "bump". They seem to want to get back to the days of Dale Earnhardt Sr.'s philosophy of "if you are in front of me, move over, or I'll put you into the wall". Earnhardt was the golden boy and put people in the seats, so NASCAR did nothing. Ask anyone that raced against him and they will tell you, that they might be friends off the track, but on the track he would wreck his mother. Go to a race and listed to the people cheer when there is "the big one", as they call it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 46 woodie said: NASCAR will continue allowing the "bump drafting" until one of their big names gets killed. Ryan Newman had the race won until that "bump". They seem to want to get back to the days of Dale Earnhardt Sr.'s philosophy of "if you are in front of me, move over, or I'll put you into the wall". Earnhardt was the golden boy and put people in the seats, so NASCAR did nothing. Ask anyone that raced against him and they will tell you, that they might be friends off the track, but on the track he would wreck his mother. Go to a race and listed to the people cheer when there is "the big one", as they call it. That sounds like Lee Petty who did that a few times to Richard. But alas that was STOCK CAR RACING. Edited February 18, 2020 by Pfeil (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Prayers going out to Ryan for a full recovery...…………………………… Winner drives like the local delivery driver, time to use UPS. Bob Edited February 18, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, 46 woodie said: NASCAR will continue allowing the "bump drafting" until one of their big names gets killed. Ryan Newman had the race won until that "bump". They seem to want to get back to the days of Dale Earnhardt Sr.'s philosophy of "if you are in front of me, move over, or I'll put you into the wall". Earnhardt was the golden boy and put people in the seats, so NASCAR did nothing. Ask anyone that raced against him and they will tell you, that they might be friends off the track, but on the track he would wreck his mother. Go to a race and listed to the people cheer when there is "the big one", as they call it. They didn't call Dale Earnheart Sr. "The Intimidator" for nuthin'. Edited February 18, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billorn Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 You could tell the guy who won didnt much feel like partying at the finish line after just killing a guy to do it as far as he knew at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, billorn said: You could tell the guy who won didnt much feel like partying at the finish line after just killing a guy to do it as far as he knew at the time. Yes, a wreck like that puts a damper on any win, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The 11 (winner) didn't turn the 6, the 12 did. Minor detail as both (I should say all) drivers were very humble at the finish. This is something that all racers know can happen and it is sometimes even talked about. With the safety built into these cars these days Ryan was not killed. Twenty or less years ago he would have been. Seeing that all of the major damage was drivers side and lack of immediate information on the broadcast I was happy wake up to hear not life threatening. Probably life changing for sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 So much for "If your in front, nobody can hurt you !" Mike in Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, JACK M said: The 11 (winner) didn't turn the 6, the 12 did. Minor detail as both (I should say all) drivers were very humble at the finish. This is something that all racers know can happen and it is sometimes even talked about. With the safety built into these cars these days Ryan was not killed. Twenty or less years ago he would have been. Seeing that all of the major damage was drivers side and lack of immediate information on the broadcast I was happy wake up to hear not life threatening. Probably life changing for sure. The runt in the 11 bumped the 12 to allow it to hit Newman's #6. Bob Edited February 18, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: The runt in the 11 bumper the 12 to allow it to hit Newman's #6. Bob Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 +1 on that I know "rubbing is racing" but in these cars the stability is so fragile that any recovery is more luck than skill. And it is no longer "the big one" but more the big 10 or 20. Reminded me of all the tires flying at Indy '66 just now it is whole cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cessna195 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It would be easy to have the drivers shop the bumping. Change the rules to have a car requirement where the front bumper is soft. Any bump that would happen would damage the front of the car and ruin the aerodynamics of the car thus making the car uncompetitive for the rest of the race. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just have a requirement that the air intake for the radiator is at least a foot off the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) For me the bumping is fine. There is no other way to pass a car on your own on these restrictor plate races. The cars are all the same. You can’t push the pedal down any more than they already do, to the floor all the way around the track. They need to allow the teams to modify the cars to find speed rather than depending on the drivers to pushing each other around. Edited February 19, 2020 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, padgett said: Just have a requirement that the air intake for the radiator is at least a foot off the ground. If you are asking the AACA to help perform this I would say try the NASCAR website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, padgett said: Just have a requirement that the air intake for the radiator is at least a foot off the ground. At 200 mph or near those cars would get a bunch of air underneath and would be taking off all over the track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3macboys Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I wonder what the result would be if they went back to carburetors but ran a 2 barrel instead of a 4 with the restrictor plate. Then get rid of the post race inspections - remember 25 yrs ago when they displayed all the parts that they had seized during pre-race inspection. If they manage to sneak something past the inspectors pre-race let them have it, might break the draft up. I can't help but think that Newman will have his own ideas being both a racer and an engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Why not just go back to "stock" cars. If the factory builds it, you can race it. Sometimes Ford will have a faster car, sometimes Chevy, and maybe Toyota once in a while with a FWD Camry. I think this kind of crash is pretty horrific, but every guy out there knows that's part of the gig. Even 20 years ago, that crash might not have been survivable. That's all good. They do seem to take safety seriously and as someone said up above, the celebration at the end was pretty hollow knowing what had just happened. I bet the winner only changed his hat six times for the sponsors instead of ten. On the other hand, I kind of miss the days when you'd knock a guy out of the race and he'd be waiting for you to come around again so he could throw his helmet through your windshield and his pit crew was already elbow-deep in a brawl with the your pit crew. THAT was some sport... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Read that Ryan Newman has his eyes open and is talking with doctors and family members, that is amazing after that event. Bob Edited February 19, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3macboys Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said: Why not just go back to "stock" cars. You mean like the old Australian Super Cars where the doors still opened? I don't know if that series still runs but that was the last real stock car racing that I can recall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Lock bumpers? Not really. He dropped low to block the pass. Then maneuvering to his right when the "bump" happened. That will spin a car even if the bumpers do not "lock." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Guess what they need is an adaptive cruise control requirement. (not to propose a rule, just thinking what could work) You mean NASCAR still uses Carbs !? I never liked bracket racing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3macboys said: You mean like the old Australian Super Cars where the doors still opened? I don't know if that series still runs but that was the last real stock car racing that I can recall. Super Cars are still going, well for 2020 at least. With GM closing down Holden in recent days it's not known if the series will survive. It was basically a two horse race Holden V Ford. But with Chev Camaros now being sold here they could be the replacement vehicle for the current Holden Sedans. After all, in 2019 Ford used the Mustang here instead of the deceased Falcon Sedan. BTW the Mustang dominated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, padgett said: Guess what they need is an adaptive cruise control requirement. (not to propose a rule, just thinking what could work) You mean NASCAR still uses Carbs !? I never liked bracket racing either. No, no carbs..... The winning engine; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I am reading it is carburetted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 What is that at t=28 seconds in the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, mike6024 said: What is that at t=28 seconds in the video? My guess, a super oil pump for a "dry sump" system? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 maybe in that pic the manifold and carb are removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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