nick8086 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Who has worked on a car from some else?? Kaiser darrin .. Not to bash my dad.. Here is the correct spark plug J8C. Here is what is in the car...CJ8 Edited November 24, 2015 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Who has worked on a car from some else??Kaiser darrin ..Not to bash my dad..Here is the correct spark plug J8C.Here is what is in the car...CJ8Nick. I think if you look a little further you will find that Champion CJ8 replaces Champion J8C spark plug. So in my opinion the correct plug is in the car! WayneP.s. Don't ever doubt dear old dads because they are usually smarter than dear old sons ! Edited November 24, 2015 by AlCapone (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Walling Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I bought a 57 Corvette and when I did a frame off, I found all the bolts loose. If there were 6 bolts holding something on, there were 5 different size and threaded bolts. Lock washers were non existent! Wood screws were ok for the fan shroud fasteners. It also didn't seem necessary to fill all the holes where Chevy thought there should be bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Well GM did not believe in using washers (except captive) or nuts for that matter but sounds like someone was in there first. The assembly lines had big bins of the correct bolts for each station. One might be wrong but not several. Also from the factory one sign is that everything is overtightened, very rarely will something be loose. When I lived in the rust belt you just expected manifold bolts to snap (nice thing about Central Florida is that they don't (unless an import).. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about an allegedly totally rebuilt "ready to fire up" 1920 Kissel engine with obviously new pistons, valves, bearings and gaskets but NO rings installed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about every single old car in the world? Every old car has hack work hiding somewhere inside because at some point in its life, there was a guy for whom "good enough" was good enough. And most of those guys are still working on cars today... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My dad was a mechanic And a very good one st that ! Sign in his garage stated, I charge double to fix the car that you worked on and could not fix properly! Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about every single old car in the world? Every old car has hack work hiding somewhere inside because at some point in its life, there was a guy for whom "good enough" was good enough. And most of those guys are still working on cars today... I've heard that phenomenon called "POS"- Previous Owner's Stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhigdog Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about an allegedly totally rebuilt "ready to fire up" 1920 Kissel engine with obviously new pistons, valves, bearings and gaskets but NO rings installed. BING! BING! BING!............We have a winner...........Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithbrother Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My father said. OFEN, "Anyone can fix the result, takes a good tech to find/fix what CAUSED the failure, and correct itDale in indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin j Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My dad was a doctor who would tinker with a car once in a while. One day I drove 350 miles to visit with him and show him my 1967 442 cutlass supreme convertible. I had spent three years on the restoration and every detail was perfect. I had some friends that stopped by to see me and one of them asked what is your dad doing to your car? I ran to the front door and looked out to see dad squirting some kind of stuff all over the windshield of my car. I am sure everyone could see my face turning red as I approached dad and said what are you doing? It was Rain X he always loved things like that and marvel mystery oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I always try to do things the right way, but that being said, a loose bolt or nut is not uncommon. Especially if stuff is mocked up first then finished off later. Remember too that many of our cars were at one point just a used car with very little value. Many had get by repairs that surprisingly did the job extremely well until we tore them down to restore them and discovered the "fix". Some are kind of comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Factories can screw up also. My new special order '70 GS had so much engine sealer in the radiator that it was clogged (made it a day because was cool out). My special order '72 GTO Wagon had a posi rear - with no lubricant (caught that one at dealer). The '78 V8 Sunbird just had a de-luxe interior instead of the ordered heavy duty battery (never liked plush carpeting) but since I had to put down a $1,000 deposit before the dealer would order a $4k car in south Florida that did not have C60 available he finally ate the difference. And then there is the legend of the car that came down the assembly line as an Aspen on one side and a Volare on the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about an allegedly totally rebuilt "ready to fire up" 1920 Kissel engine with obviously new pistons, valves, bearings and gaskets but NO rings installed.Customer insisted we install the engine without disassembling it and checking tolerances, not wanting to spend the extra $. Luckily I stood my ground. Same engine was missing the float in the carb but in its place was a note "I'm sorry but I really needed this float". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 There may have been a time when it was just another used car, and someone had to make the decision to do a cheap repair or junk it and buy another car. So that sub standard repair may be the reason the car is still in one piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I worked in Ford engineering in Dearborn MI. In 1980, They flew in the Presidents car because it had a noise in the engine that the dealer couldn't find. We took the engine out and tore it down to inspect. It had a lower main bearing never installed. And it had good oil pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intimeold Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) A few years ago; probably in the late 1970's, when I had my shop open; a customer brought a GTO in with a transmission problem. A 4-speed Muncie, that he had run with a leaking rear seal. I suppose he knew it was leaking; but didn't think about fixing it until it started really howling Well we removed it from the car and just opened it up, took side cover off, and it was burnt blue. OK, when he heard the estimate to rebuild it, all new gears, everything; we were saving the cases though, for the build dates and etc. He decided that is way too much and buys another transmission, just recently rebuilt, from wherever. He said a reputable, high performance Pontiac man. Just install it, were his orders. Oh My God, it howled almost as bad as the burnt up one; but only in the lower 3 gears. So good chance the cluster bearings were shot or worse; we didn't touch it. Then the fight started. He didn't want to pay the bill for the removal, diagnosing the problem and installing the, junk rebuilt one. We had to impound the car, but he eventually paid. Wasn't welcome back. So even though we had nothing to do with the junk rebuild, he wanted us to take the hit. You just never know. intimeold Almost as bad as finding a huge surprise, when we buy something that is represented wrongly. Edited November 24, 2015 by intimeold (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyshack Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I purchased a new '70 SS Chevelle, big block. I put air shocks and larger tires on the rear, and I had huge engine problems two weeks later. The car was in a small college town dealerships repair dept. for over two weeks. They started to repair or replace the carb, fuel pump, distributer, cam, everything under the hood was replaced under warranty with no results. The engine would run, but I could not go over 35 MPH. Frustrated, I drove 75 miles to more familiar dealerships in Minneapolis and as I was describing the problem, a huge puddle of gas was on the floor but the rear tire. The mechanic signing me in got on a crawler and told me he would have the problem fixed in 10 minutes. The air shock installer somehow caused the shock body to pinch off the main fuel line and wore a hole in the side of the return line. Two $3.00 connectors and it ran great. I showed the repair ticket to the small town dealership and they admitted that the fuel lines were never checked because the car was new. Wow, lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) [My dad was a doctor who would tinker with a car once in a while. One day I drove 350 miles to visit with him and show him my 1967 442 cutlass supreme convertible. I had spent three years on the restoration and every detail was perfect. I had some friends that stopped by to see me and one of them asked what is your dad doing to your car? I ran to the front door and looked out to see dad squirting some kind of stuff all over the windshield of my car. I am sure everyone could see my face turning red as I approached dad and said what are you doing? It was Rain X he always loved things like that and marvel mystery oil. In retrospect I'll bet if you had to do it over again you would have smiled and thanked him instead of getting red in the face. Cars can be replaced but Dads can not ! Wayne Edited November 25, 2015 by AlCapone (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) The local NAPA store had 6 in stock today.... Edited November 25, 2015 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyardjeff Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I am thinking about not working on vehicles I touched,I had been chasing down a loud rattle in my 66 Ford p/u without much sucsess fixing every possible cause except for the one I was looking for and then found out most of the front sheet metal bolts were loose. I had the complete front end off doing body work and when it went back togather I forgot to go over and tighten all the bolts after I got it aligned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The local NAPA store had 6 in stock today....look up the plug on the Champion website and you will see your dad was correct! They ( Napa ) may have the old plug in stock but the replacement is better suited! Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 Hey - the part. is not correct.. But will work... I can not get a wrench around the chain saw one... I like the other one... I was working on the car and notice the plug jumping around... That is why I posted : Who has worked on a car from some else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 What is worse is when the manufacturer changes the plug but not the number. At one point I found the coupe had a mix of platinum pin tips and carbon broad tips. All Rapidfire #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 And then there is the legend of the car that came down the assembly line as an Aspen on one side and a Volare on the other... I special ordered a 1983 Firebird that came with FIREBIRD script on left fender and CAMARO on the right. Refused to accept the car, reasoning that such a minor oversight might be indicative of worse assembly goofs. Dealer didn't like it but I stood my ground and made them order another car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Factories can screw up also. My new special order '70 GS had so much engine sealer in the radiator that it was clogged (made it a day because was cool out). My special order '72 GTO Wagon had a posi rear - with no lubricant (caught that one at dealer). The '78 V8 Sunbird just had a de-luxe interior instead of the ordered heavy duty battery (never liked plush carpeting) but since I had to put down a $1,000 deposit before the dealer would order a $4k car in south Florida that did not have C60 available he finally ate the difference. And then there is the legend of the car that came down the assembly line as an Aspen on one side and a Volare on the other...That Volare / Aspen was my Company Car in 1968-69 !! no joke, and that was probably one of the least offensive things about it. Then again, back in the winter of 1968-69 I worked night shift at the GM Assembly plant in LInden, NJ (still with IBM in mid-town Manhattan daytime). I drove newly-assembled Buick, Olds, and Pontiac models off the end of the Assembly Line (The Gate). They were driven to a receiving lot, and then groups of cars were driven across US-1 to a lot behind Linden Airport for loading onto Anchor Motor Freight trucks to be taken to dealers. I can tell you about the Cutlass without the steering wheel, or the Olds 98 with no linkage between the gas pedal and the carburetor - and that was only the beginning. Working two jobs back then covered a really good engagement ring for our marriage the following June. The new '69 Pontiac Custom "S" Tempest is long gone, but the marriage is in its 47th model year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Nick. I think if you look a little further you will find that Champion CJ8 replaces Champion J8C spark plug. So in my opinion the correct plug is in the car! WayneP.s. Don't ever doubt dear old dads because they are usually smarter than dear old sons !Love Dad.. but he was old school... Use what you have... One more..Before - part found- installed.. Time line 1 year.. Edited November 26, 2015 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterc9 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 My friend bought a new 73 Chevy pickup. When he took delivery the horn button said GMC . No one at the Chevrolet dealer noticed it until he pointed it out. He left it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) That Volare / Aspen was my Company Car in 1968-69 !! no joke, and that was probably one of the least offensive things about it. Then again, back in the winter of 1968-69 I worked night shift at the GM Assembly plant in LInden, NJ (still with IBM in mid-town Manhattan daytime). I drove newly-assembled Buick, Olds, and Pontiac models off the end of the Assembly Line (The Gate). They were driven to a receiving lot, and then groups of cars were driven across US-1 to a lot behind Linden Airport for loading onto Anchor Motor Freight trucks to be taken to dealers. I can tell you about the Cutlass without the steering wheel, or the Olds 98 with no linkage between the gas pedal and the carburetor - and that was only the beginning. Working two jobs back then covered a really good engagement ring for our marriage the following June. The new '69 Pontiac Custom "S" Tempest is long gone, but the marriage is in its 47th model year.Am I missing something here? Volares and Aspens didn't come out 'til MUCH later than 1968-69....more like late 1975 for the 1976 model year.... Edited November 26, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I had a Buick Nailhead rebuilt by a reputable shop. It wasn't till it failed, making a horrible knocking noise, that I found that they had forgot to measure, or couldn't read Plastigauge properly, all the main earnings. That was a Large $$$ mistake and unfortunately the shop was out of business by the time I got the engine running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 How about a '32 Packard engine which, upon disassembly, was found to be missing one entire piston and connecting rod. I guess the welded up hole in the aluminum crankcase should have been a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 On the Volare thing, Dean Marin had a lot of success with Volare in 1958. It was pretty much down hill from there.Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Mom told my brother we had bought a Ferrari. He was very disappointed when I told him that we actually bought a Volare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Wolk Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) When they went to drop in a replacement engine in this Mark II the pins from the motor mounts wouldn't go through the holes in the frame, because they were crooked. So, they used a cutting torch on the frame to make room. Fillers to be welded in today. Edited November 27, 2015 by Barry Wolk (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I was / am a certified marine technician.Every guy that brought has ever his boat to me that he had screwed up himself blamed it on his mechanic neighbor.All fishermen are liars by nature. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pont35cpe Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Back in the 70s I worked on a `65 GTO that had a full pedal but no brakes, even the emergency brake didn`t work. After checking it out, someone had put on wider brake shoes which cut thru the side of the drums, all four wheels. Also the owner had squirted oil all over them, because they "squeeked".. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Just installed the new ones... It had the small ones.. No sure how he got them on.. Now the house smells like that old car smell... I had to start the car...test4.mp3 Edited January 31, 2016 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Had a VW Westphalia. Had the engine completely rebuilt by a reputable place, new cyl/pistons, align bored, whole nine yards. First frosty morning started it up al let idle to get some warmth. After 30 seconds it froze. Had to winch into garage. Removed and took back to shop. Checked it out, replaced the bearings, polished the crank, reassembled. Next 30 degree morning same-same. Bottom line "somehow" (never figured that one out) when the block was align bored they got the center main a couple of thousands off center. Fine at 70 degrees but at 30 it would bind and freeze at idle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Nick. It took you two months to install the spark plugs ??? How do we spell procrastination.....N. I. C. K. Regards, wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) It was cold here in Ne.. 55 today.. The car had a dead battery.. also.. You can hear it run : test4 It took a year to get the right carburetor set up... Napa did not have one... Edited January 31, 2016 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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