Twisted Shifter Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Featured on Hemmings Auctions: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chevrolet/impala/2632276.html Seller’s Description: 1963 Chevrolet Impala Z-11 For Sale In Woodinville, Washington 98072 If you are someone who appreciates classic authenticity laced with powerful performance than you owe it to yourself to check out this 1963 Chevrolet Impala Z-11! It is the rarest of the 50 Z-11s that were ever built, with only 15 original Z-11's that are known to exist. Sander's car is (1 of 1 in body color and interior), the most original of all Z-11s, retaining all its original factory body, trim, interior, and original engine parts, with completed and restored factory restoration value (#1) rated over 990 points. This car is both legally and technically by far, the most successful of ALL factory stock drag race cars in 1963. The most significant rarity of the Z-11s, including the 24 pieces of aluminum body panels with aluminum motor parts, the sintered metallic brakes shoes with vented backing plates, and the Ram-Air Cowl Induction air cleaner is the super rare Z-11 motor structure, of which only 50 Z-11 motors were ever built. These 50 Z-11 motors are by far the very lowest engine production ever built for factory race cars. Purchase for only $9,129 / mo. More text and pictures on Hemmings ad... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Skelly Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 The '63 Pontiac Super Dutys were much rarer than these 50. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kar3516 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Only $9129/mo???? Depending on the interest rate that equates to somewhere around a 15 year note! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif in Calif Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Interesting that it has aluminum body panels. I would expect they were fabricated by an outside vendor...I wonder who it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Yawn. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Shifter Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, B Jake Moran said: Yawn. Different strokes for different folks. Here's another '63, but it's not for sale...and probably more original. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/a-new-409-proved-key-to-getting-an-original-owner-special-order-1963-chevrolet-bel-air-back-on-the-road/ar-AA13T033?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz Edited November 9, 2022 by Twisted Shifter (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Skelly Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, Twisted Shifter said: Here's another '63, but it's not for sale...and probably more original. I don't believe any of the full-sized '63 GM B-bodies had a body-colored firewall. They should be black like on the brown car in the other article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Is that an original dealer invoice in the advertisement? Or a reproduction? This is a very very cool car, but I've never been a huge fan of paying for cars that are 20x more expensive because of an engine option. I love the engine, just not the price. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Yes, it's obscenely priced, but I guess that's better than having these cars rot in salvage yards, unappreciated by everyone. There are many engines better than the factory 427 c.i. W series big block Chevy, but few as iconic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Twisted Shifter said: Different strokes for different folks. Here's another '63, but it's not for sale...and probably more original. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/a-new-409-proved-key-to-getting-an-original-owner-special-order-1963-chevrolet-bel-air-back-on-the-road/ar-AA13T033?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz GREAT BIG difference between this car and the million dollar Z11 besides the Z11 price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 My point was that it’s not worth it - especially when the seller has to tell you why you should fork over $1,000,000. Whoever buys it is getting a Monet, a Rembrandt. That sort of purchase. It’s a car! Drive it, enjoy the visceral feeling you get. And you can do that for a heck of a lot less than $1,000,000. Can you tell I hate the “1 of” culture?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 The lightweight race cars from any manufacturer are significant and extremely rare. There is def. a market for them. I could see spending a cool mil on this chevy waaaay before paying 200k for a resto modded 1970 ford bronco! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) A lightweight race car. Okay, fine for someone who likes that segment of the hobby. But the only thing sustaining a high price is some people's fascination with that segment. There's no INHERENT value to such a thing. Some interesting collectibles are totally overlooked, and sell for garage-sale prices. Some collectibles establish a following with solid values. Occasionally, some segment of the market is so breathlessly adored that the cost becomes preposterous. Oh! Beanie Babies! Let's spend thousands of dollars on cute little plush stuffed animals! Edited November 9, 2022 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingrudy Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 IMHO the light weights are collectible the same as someone who collects any other type of dust collector. They were manufactured to promote sales of the company whichever that might be ( Chevrolet, Ford Plymouth etc.), not to be driven on the street and enjoyed. So if you buy it, you might as well put it under glass to preserve it. No fun factor for me, but my wallet isn't that thick to be able to afford this, but if it was this would not interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 3 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said: Okay, fine for someone who likes that segment of the hobby. But the only thing sustaining a high price is some people's fascination with that segment. There's no INHERENT value to such a thing Can’t that be said for any segment of the hobby? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I don’t want to lose any forum friends. I appreciate everyone’s perspective. I know I used to follow with interest the race cars from Pontiac and to a lesser extent Ford but I never thought someone would be as audacious as to ask $1,000,000. Let’s see if there is a buyer out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On August 28th of this year someone paid $12.8 million dollars for a Mickey Mantle baseball card. So is there a market for what appears to be a well documented race car, probably. It just excludes most of us who frequent this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearheadengineer Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I like old race cars. I missed this one’s era, but spent time at the drag strip in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s. I love the history of this one and the restoration is beautiful. I understand why some people would pay big money for it. I’d love to see it up close but I wouldn’t own it. I have no use for something I can’t drive frequently. That said, rarely was an actual race car in this condition. Maybe before the very first race. I would rather see it like it would have been in real life, say midway through the season. With rubber on the rear fenders and other signs of actually performing. But what’s cool about this hobby is there are many tastes and ways to express one’s likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 hours ago, George Smolinski said: Can’t that be said for any segment of the hobby? Definitely, George. But the greater the excess-- overly highly priced or unappreciated and low-priced-- the more it's worth noting. We can see how 1930's Classics were worth little in the Depression and afterward. Old station wagons were used as vendors' work vehicles at swap meets. Muscle cars were used cars and then became highly favored. The value isn't inherent. It's based on what is SEEN as desirable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drhach Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 What I find sad is that there's someone somewhere who has a million dollars to spare and it isn't me; not that I'd spend it on that car if I did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 17 hours ago, drhach said: What I find sad is that there's someone somewhere who has a million dollars to spare and it isn't me; not that I'd spend it on that car if I did. Even if I won the lottery, this national lottery that got over $1 Billion, this is not a car I am interested in because the owner-seller likely has "maybe" $200,000 in it and is being greedy asking $1,000,000. Keep in mind that is just my opinion and why I would not be buying this car. I personally don't see any car I would spend $1,000,000 on but I follow the old car news, Chasing Classic Cars, and the auction results and there are clearly cars deserving well in excess of $1,000,000. There are also a lot of very nice, cool cars for $20,000, less or more add $10,000 in increments and a guy could have several cars in a collection and not get to $500,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Perkins / Mn Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I would pay a Mill for one of the Deemer family American Underslung cars…..if I had the Mill !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) Some of the Deemer cars have sold in recent years I believe. What sort of prices did they fetch ? P.S. , just found the recent sale for the Roadster. $1.4 million. Your one million would have been seriously short of securing a purchase. Edited November 11, 2022 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Perkins / Mn Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I would pay TWO mill for any one of those four cars……one can only dream! (One of the Tourist models went for 1.6M) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 In 1968 when I was 16, I bought this drag strip only 62 Impala. 409 409 bench 4 speed with no drivetrain. Had a set of headers in the trunk, plastic on the seats and 2000 miles on the meter. Paid 200.00. If I only knew. LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 3:51 PM, Twisted Shifter said: Different strokes for different folks. Here's another '63, but it's not for sale...and probably more original. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/a-new-409-proved-key-to-getting-an-original-owner-special-order-1963-chevrolet-bel-air-back-on-the-road/ar-AA13T033?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz Not a Z11. No comparison. En On 11/8/2022 at 4:26 PM, Jim Skelly said: I don't believe any of the full-sized '63 GM B-bodies had a body-colored firewall. They should be black like on the brown car in the other article. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Skelly Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 The first car you picture with Jay is a '59 - not a '63. Not sure what cars you have posted in photos two and three. The fourth picture is a '62 - not a '63. What I stated was, "I don't believe any of the full-sized '63 GM B-bodies had a body-colored firewall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 This is an original 1964 Bel Air never painted, at least under the hood. An Oshawa Ontario Canada built car. Fawn Beige metallic paint exterior and firewall. Pretty much went down the line with zero options like so many Canadian built cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjp69 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/11/2022 at 7:42 AM, B Jake Moran said: Even if I won the lottery, this national lottery that got over $1 Billion, this is not a car I am interested in because the owner-seller likely has "maybe" $200,000 in it and is being greedy asking $1,000,000. Keep in mind that is just my opinion and why I would not be buying this car. I personally don't see any car I would spend $1,000,000 on but I follow the old car news, Chasing Classic Cars, and the auction results and there are clearly cars deserving well in excess of $1,000,000. There are also a lot of very nice, cool cars for $20,000, less or more add $10,000 in increments and a guy could have several cars in a collection and not get to $500,000. Probably has more than that into it. My friend had a chance to buy it for $275k in 2008/09 from a previous owner, and it sold soon after he passed on the purchase. It isn't a $1m car, but might find a buyer for half of that or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthcranbrook Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 8:23 AM, John_S_in_Penna said: A lightweight race car. Okay, fine for someone who likes that segment of the hobby. But the only thing sustaining a high price is some people's fascination with that segment. There's no INHERENT value to such a thing. Some interesting collectibles are totally overlooked, and sell for garage-sale prices. Some collectibles establish a following with solid values. Occasionally, some segment of the market is so breathlessly adored that the cost becomes preposterous. Oh! Beanie Babies! Let's spend thousands of dollars on cute little plush stuffed animals! BEANIE BABIES… Slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Jim Skelly said: The first car you picture with Jay is a '59 - not a '63. Not sure what cars you have posted in photos two and three. The fourth picture is a '62 - not a '63. What I stated was, "I don't believe any of the full-sized '63 GM B-bodies had a body-colored firewall. 5 hours ago, Jim Skelly said: The first car you picture with Jay is a '59 - not a '63. Not sure what cars you have posted in photos two and three. The fourth picture is a '62 - not a '63. What I stated was, "I don't believe any of the full-sized '63 GM B-bodies had a body-colored firewall. 1st 59-348- 2nd 62 409-409 3rd 1960 348 4th 1962 409? I posted these cars to show firewall colors. I have owed about 25 Chevy from 58 to 65. Half had black firewalls and the other half were the body color. It may be that different plants did things differently. The 57 Z11s were built in Flint Mi and some were black firewall and the others white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) On 11/26/2022 at 6:09 AM, Jim Skelly said: The first car you picture with Jay is a '59 - not a '63. Not sure what cars you have posted in photos two and three. The fourth picture is a '62 - not a '63. What I stated was, "I don't believe any of the full-sized '63 GM B-bodies had a body-colored firewall. One of my 63s that i restored in 76 had a white firewall. The car was white from the factory. I did a color change. I painted the firewall black and the body Cadillac blue. Edited November 27, 2022 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) Person that bought a Z11. Edited November 26, 2022 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Skelly Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 thanks! I had thought starting with the '63 model year, that all GM "B" bodies had a black firewall, but wasn't sure; our '63 LeSabre and grandpa's '63 Wildcat were bought new, built in Flint, and had black firewalls; I wondered if there were differences depending on which plant a car was built at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptowndodge Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 If I bought it I would lift it front and rear put wire wheels on it chrome everything tint the windows and a killer sound system playing Low Rider as I smoke the tires in you neighborhood around 3:00 in the morning after I leave the bar. Dream car for real… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, Uptowndodge said: If I bought it I would lift it front and rear put wire wheels on it chrome everything tint the windows and a killer sound system playing Low Rider as I smoke the tires in you neighborhood around 3:00 in the morning after I leave the bar. Dream car for real… I think you visit my neighborhood on Saturday nights..... 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivguy Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 That is an interesting and rare car. It is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay. The seller has a certain amount tied up in it, I'm sure that they would love a bidding war among buyers. In my eyes it isn't anything that I would want to own, I've never been interested in drag racing. There are a lot of very rich people today that can pay any price for anything that they desire. Therefore we hear about stratospheric prices paid for collectible items. It doesn't add anything of value to the hobby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptowndodge Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Grimy said: I think you visit my neighborhood on Saturday nights..... 🙂 Probably after I leave the bar I don’t know where I’m at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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