TAKerry Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 After seeing Johns thread re: his sons 53 Chevy got me to thinking. How many of you guys have HPOF cars and what are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave39MD Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I have a 31 Buick and a 39 Chevrolet. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) We have a 35 Ford Pickup. Historiic, Original Features, Drivable, but no P according to the Judge. Rejected! Also have a 66 VW Beetle, all original with after maket Foxcraft Skirts and several window decals. ADAC (German Auto Club) Genuine VW Oil Dripper/, Rejected! Also a 81 El Camino Conquista. I'm the third old man owner since new. 175,000 miles. I added a color coordinated pin stripe. Will not get judged. I support the HPOF Class but think it's to judgemental. I don't do anything to my cars that I would not have done when brand new. I also remove dealer added advertisements. Edited November 29, 2021 by Paul Dobbin pictures (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I have a 1913 Ford that is a HPOF Award recipient. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerPHX Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 My 1948 Chrysler New Yorker convertible coupe has its' HPOF certification, though I'm not sure it would certify under current rules. Roger Irland HPOF Team assistant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Do all the 25 year old cars qualify? How many cars are now qualified for the yellow HPOF oval? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gray Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 As much as I enjoy viewing the restored cars at Hershey, I find myself spending most of my time looking at the cars in the HPOF class. Some of the cars are so well preserved, that you question whether they are actually unrestored. After speaking to some of the owners, I began to realize that some of these cars look so original due the the meticulous care that the caretakers have taken over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 9 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Do all the 25 year old cars qualify? How many cars are now qualified for the yellow HPOF oval? All AACA eligable cars (25 years old and older) qualify for evaluation in the HPOF class. I don't know how many cars have been certified, but the HPOF class generally represents about 20% of the cars at an AACA National. There were over 200 at Hershey this year. Dave Bowman AACA HPOF National Committee Chairman 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) My Father had the chrome done long before unrestored cars were given any recognition, it was pretty ugly prior to that. I had the rims painted and pinstriped. The paint on the nose will never match the body on a true unrestored Chevrolet of this era because the nose was painted at Chevrolet and body was painted at Fisher Body. Sold new at Bayer Chevrolet in Long Island City in NYC Edited November 29, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chattin Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1909 IHC Autowagon that received its HPOF award a few years ago. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wetherbee Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Having had the interior replaced, mine isn’t quite original enough to try for the HPOF award, but she still gets more attention than you might think she would at a show. 1931 Pierce Arrow model 43. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Meixner Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 My 1912 Hudson. I have the top, but it needs replacement. Took it off so I have a good sample to match. Original paint and upholstery. Driven frequently. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcarnut Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I had a 1984 Ford E350 Tioga Motorhome I got and HPOF award at Hershey and a HPOF original at Auburn the next year. The original owners used the Motorhome to vend at Hershey for several years as did I. It was also nice the day I showed it we just left our spot in the red field and moved to the show field and had breakfast while it rained. Great way to do a show in bad weather. By the way I dressed up as cousin Eddie for the Shows. I sold the Tioga and bought a new one a few years ago. I have a 57 Tbird, 66 Impala convertible and 96 Buick Roadmaster I plan try for HPOF in the next few years. All are low mileage original paint etc cars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I was glad the HPOF was started, it saved a lot of cars from restoration that didn't need it. Do the early 1910 era cars get parked together or are the just parked along side the 25 year old cars that were never driven? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 hours ago, John348 said: My Father had the chrome done long before unrestored cars were given any recognition, it was pretty ugly prior to that. I had the rims painted and pinstriped. The paint on the nose will never match the body on a true unrestored Chevrolet of this era because the nose was painted at Chevrolet and body was painted at Fisher Body. Sold new at Bayer Chevrolet in Long Island City in NYC ...and that mismatched paint is part of what makes original cars like yours so interesting. There was a story about the Wixom plant where Lincons were built in the 60s. The story was about the final assembly step, installing the driver's side windshield wiper. This was performed by a long established employee with enough seniority to be untouchable. He wore a giant belt buckle that scratched every car he worked on. Thus, one could tell if a car was original because there would be evidence of a repair on the driver's side front fender. This is likely urban legend but a fun story either way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said: Do the early 1910 era cars get parked together or are the just parked along side the 25 year old cars that were never driven? At all Nationals other than Hershey the HPOF cars are parked from the earliest to the newest within the award catagory they are seeking. (ie HPOF, HPOF Repeat, HPOF Original, HPOF Original Repeat). Due to the volume of HPOF cars at Hershey, they are parked in the order they arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 61polara said: At all Nationals other than Hershey the HPOF cars are parked from the earliest to the newest within the award catagory they are seeking. (ie HPOF, HPOF Repeat, HPOF Original, HPOF Original Repeat). Due to the volume of HPOF cars at Hershey, they are parked in the order they arrive. Thank you! I haven't been to an AACA National other than Hershey since the 1990's. Seeing a progression of unrestored vehicles must be quite a sight. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 HPOF Class is the first section my compatriot and I go to review and critique the participants. Encountering a vehicle wonderfully preserved decades after its manufacture is a unique experience no restored car can duplicate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 5:42 PM, Paul Dobbin said: We have a 35 Ford Pickup. Historiic, Original Features, Drivable, but no P according to the Judge. Rejected! Also have a 66 VW Beetle, all original with after maket Foxcraft Skirts and several window decals. ADAC (German Auto Club) Genuine VW Oil Dripper/, Rejected! Also a 81 El Camino Conquista. I'm the third old man owner since new. 175,000 miles. I added a color coordinated pin stripe. Will not get judged. I support the HPOF Class but think it's to judgemental. I don't do anything to my cars that I would not have done when brand new. I also remove dealer added advertisements. On the 66 VW I can see three things besides the window treatment they could ding you for. How many things can disqualify you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Our 1937 Buick 80C Roadmaster Phaeton (Convertible Sedan) has been awarded HPOF and ORIGINAL. originally sold to New York City as Fiorello LaGuardia's Parade Car, it served to open the 1939 New York Worlds Fair with LaGuardia an Franklin D. Roosevelt in the back seat, and was used in ticker tape parades, also transporting General (later President) Dwight D. Eisenhower, Harry S. Truman, Winston Churchill, and a host of other dignitaries. The '37 Roadmaster still wears her original convertible top as well as most of the original paint and upholstery, and even the driveline has yet to be opened. Edited December 19, 2021 by Marty Roth (see edit history) 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Our 1988 Corvette has been driven +/- 150,xxx miles and has been awarded her AACA First Junior, Senior, First and Repeat Preservation, but is completely and absolutely Unrestored. I would have to turn in all of her National recognition for her to be judged and awarded the HPOF, but I'm content to know she is maintained well enough to represent BOTH factions. We have driven her coast-to-coast-to coast, border-to-border, New Orleans to Burbank to Gettysburg, to Toronto, Alliston, and Kincardine, Ontario, Canada, and transported a Mardi Gras Queen or two (or three), and still enjoy hitting the highway (even 'though there isn't much room for baggage plus Dale's walker). Most things we need along the way are disposable, and there's always a Wal-Mart to resupply. Edited December 19, 2021 by Marty Roth separate the photos for easier viewing (see edit history) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Many of these cars just fell to attrition of not fitting in and the owners feeling the need to restore them. My father was hell bent on painting that 53, his health got the best of him and thankfully it never happened. The chrome that was done. I think there are a lot more unrestored cars out there then we think, the early cars as roads and vehicles evolved although totally functional they were not practical, and had not market as used or junk so were just put away, thankfully! . The newer vehicles just seemed to have gotten consumed, a little more road worthy on the modern roads. Seldom find any every day vehicle 30 years old just into the ground. Edited November 30, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, John348 said: My father was hell bent on painting that 53, his health got the best of him and thankfully it never happened. The chrome that was done. I think there are a lot more unrestored cars out there then we think, the early cars as roads and vehicles evolved although totally functional they were not practical, and had not market as used or junk so were just put away, thankfully! John, your father's desire to enhance the paint as well as the chrome was not necessarily wrong - he helped preserve and did right in his own sphere. You have the car - and the memories - both are more important than HPOF Status, at least in my opinion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Marty Roth said: John, your father's desire to enhance the paint as well as the chrome was not necessarily wrong - he helped preserve and did right in his own sphere. You have the car - and the memories - both are more important than HPOF Status, at least in my opinion Marty, It was at a time in the mid 90's when nobody really appreciated unrestored post-war cars so he felt he needed to paint it. The car was a perfect candidate for a restoration very little body work just a few garage rashes and from the rented garage in The Bronx. I just was helping my son replace the hood hinge springs this week while I was visiting him. My Dad's Aunt bought it new, I inherited from my Dad, and now my son owns it, so it has had a total of three John R Mahoney's all of which were or are AACA members owning the same car. Edited November 30, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) I don't enter car shows, but I've been told that my Mercury might be one of those cars. The paint, interior, engine and drive train are all original and have never been removed or taken apart. It has 55,000 miles on it and I paid $2100 for it about fifteen years ago. However, I think the current seat belts, radial tires and aftermarket radiator would keep it from being allowed in that category were I inclined to enter it, which I'm not. FYI, the exhaust tip on the single tail pipe is NOT me trying to be cool😄...it's an extension that really helps exhaust to clear the rear bumper or being drawn into the car. If I could find one that isn't chrome I'd buy it. It's not a perfect car. Not like the cars I see at car shows, but is in good shape. I did drive it from Lincoln, NE down to Manhattan, KS and back a few weeks ago and it made it without a hitch. That was 135 miles each way for a round trip of 270 miles, so I was pleased. My wife and I went down to see the Midwest Dream Car Collection in Manhattan and it was well worth the trip, IMO. I'm told they start the Ferrari up on Saturdays and let folks sit in it. 😉 Edited November 30, 2021 by JamesR (see edit history) 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H.Boland Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 When I bought my '78 GMC Caballero new, I never dreamed that I would still cherish it 43 years later. I'm not familiar with HPOF judging rules but assume that the chrome wheels and topper would be no-nos. It won't likely ever see a judging meet anyway, but it is otherwise original. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Pfeil said: How many things can disqualify you? For a 1960 or newer car, six deductions are permitted for the HPOF award, two are permitted for the HPOF Original award. Cars older than 1960 are permitted a few more deductions. 12 hours ago, Pfeil said: I support the HPOF Class but think it's to judgemental. I don't do anything to my cars that I would not have done when brand new. In the HPOF evaluation, each car is evaluated in the same way a car is in class judging except for condition. As long as the original component is suitable for its intended purpose there is no deduction for condition. Replacement of belts, hoses and convertible tops with original style parts is permitted as maintenance items. The vehicle is evaluated based on how the dealer delivered the vehicle, with factory approved accessories. Deductions can be taken for excessive dirt. Many cars that are rejected are done so because of non-original style parts used as replacements or aftermarket accessories. The reason for rejection is discussed with the owner and suggest items that can be corrected to possibly receive the HPOF award in the future or a recommendation to move the car to the DPC category. I'm not certain how this process can be considered too judgmental. Dave Bowman AACA National HPOF Chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Boudway Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Hi, Santa gets a ride in our HPOF '26 Chrysler G-70 Phaeton. "If we don't drive them, we might as well collect clocks" Holiday greetings to all, Boll and Grace B. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Two of my HPOF cars - 1947 Buick Roadmaster and 1960 Buick Invicta. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Heinkel bomber? Where are/were you? From the color tones, I presume the first picture was taken quite a while ago, on film. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I know Marty Roth's 1937 black Buick conv. sedan very well. For many many years it resided in a fellows collection about 1 mile north of my house. on the Nassau/Queens county NY border. It is one magnificent automobile! Although I had been in the car hobby for some years, when I first saw the car he owns when it was here on long island it made me want to own a G.M. 4 door convertible at some point; another friend here also owned a unrestored 1940 Buick Century conv. coupe. that I helped work on ( this was the era that you worked laying on your back under the car and getting a transmission in and out of the Century conv.) Many years later I was able to purchase a 1940 Roadmaster conv. sedan sight unseen in Ca. that I had a friend look at for me . My car had a repaint in 1967 along with new top and interior, but the engine has still never been opened up , has never had any major overhaul. Love this thread, thanks for sharing everyone. WG 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, oldcarfudd said: Heinkel bomber? Where are/were you? From the color tones, I presume the first picture was taken quite a while ago, on film. The photo of the '47 was taken in Anderson, SC at an air show. This is the Heinkel that crashed a few years later. Yes, it was shot on film and scanned. The photo of the '60 was taken in New Bern, NC. I was there for the AACA National. Both cars have about 60,000 miles on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 While I never had them judged I have owned three cars that may have done well in HPOF. My 34 Packard and 34 Chevy are gone but I still have the 66 Monaco wagon. I think the Packard was the best of the three. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, 61polara said: For a 1960 or newer car, six deductions are permitted for the HPOF award, two are permitted for the HPOF Original award. Cars older than 1960 are permitted a few more deductions. In the HPOF evaluation, each car is evaluated in the same way a car is in class judging except for condition. As long as the original component is suitable for its intended purpose there is no deduction for condition. Replacement of belts, hoses and convertible tops with original style parts is permitted as maintenance items. The vehicle is evaluated based on how the dealer delivered the vehicle, with factory approved accessories. Deductions can be taken for excessive dirt. Many cars that are rejected are done so because of non-original style parts used as replacements or aftermarket accessories. The reason for rejection is discussed with the owner and suggest items that can be corrected to possibly receive the HPOF award in the future or a recommendation to move the car to the DPC category. I'm not certain how this process can be considered too judgmental. Dave Bowman AACA National HPOF Chairman Actually, the second quote was Paul Dobbins, but thank you for the information 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, TexRiv_63 said: My 34 Packard and 34 Chevy are gone but I still have the 66 Monaco wagon. Wow, your Chevy is gone, Tex? I'm sorry to hear that. I loved that car, but I love the Dodge wagon just as much. ☺️ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Original owner. 1976 Oldsmobile Omega Brougham. Original Paint and interior, Original complete exhaust including catalytic converter. original P/S pump & s. box, alternator, air pump, fuel pump, spark plug wires, brake master, front calipers, rear wheel cylinders and shoes, original suspension ft & rear. original carburetor-never been rebuilt. Original 3.08 10 bolt posi. original THM350 never been apart. Original paint on engine. 115,000 miles. 26-28mpg on 10% ethanol 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 12 hours ago, JamesR said: The paint, interior, engine and drive train are all original and have never been removed or taken apart. However, I think the current seat belts, radial tires and aftermarket radiator would keep it from being allowed in that category JamesR, While the radial tires and aluminum radiator would ding your car, my understanding is that the seat belts, being a bonafide safety item, if installed in a workman-like manner, would not be dinged against the car. Dave Bowman can offer more accurate information on this topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, oldcarfudd said: Heinkel bomber? Where are/were you? From the color tones, I presume the first picture was taken quite a while ago, on film. The photo of the '47 was taken in Anderson, SC at an air show. This is the Heinkel that crashed a few years later. Yes, it was shot on film and scanned. The photo of the '60 was taken in New Bern, NC. I was there for the AACA National. Both cars have about 60,000 miles on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 JamesR, Marty Roth is correct in his comments. Bring it out to a National show and let our HPOF team evaluate it. Dave Bowman AACA National HPOF Chairman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) I own this unrestored oddity, it is a 1977 Chevy Monza Mirage I had posted in other threads on our site. Found it through a wanted ad in AACA magazine. My arthritis and it don't get along so well, so it might be looking for a new home this winter. Here is the photo that I based the purchase on 9 years ago and here it now. It has been certified HPOF twice in the AACA Edited December 1, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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