The benefits of this forum and how it has helped you.

[BobinVirginia]

The fact I can log in here and access so many knowledgeable people is amazing. I’m hoping younger people capitalize on this resource. 
Being a gen X guy I’m really trying to drum up interest in the older cars with younger people. This forum gives access to different generations. I’ve worked hard at knowing 55-87 American cars. Cars of the nickel age and earlier are still mystifying. This forum is the resource for anyone interested. Anyone that feels like sharing will be a huge influence in someone’s life 

Edited February 19, 2023 by BobinVirginia (see edit history)

[pmhowe]

Every time I visit these forums I come away pleased and surprised, having learned something new. Over the last few days, I have been mulling over the idea of doing a search/starting a new thread regarding the best friction materials to be used on pre-war car brakes. This morning I visited the thread “A text message while sorting a car…” and found Ed’s fascinating discussion of redoing the brakes on the 1934 Buick. Next time, I will probably do my own brake relining. This is just one example of the many reasons I like this site.

Phil

[GARY F]

One important item I got from these forums is I got torque specks for torquing  the head bolts on my L-37 Olds which is not in service manual.

[31nash880]

Thank you to everyone here. Had just bought a 1931 Nash. Yes Nash made a car in 1931. Everyone here has helped getting this car back on the road and out to see people after 50 years stored. 

The better part is that this site and all of you have kept me going. Due to shoulder injuries I was termed disabled.  Put me out of work.

This site keeps me going. Thanks to all!!!

[Steve_Mack_CT]

Food for thought, in many areas this forum represents an accumulation of knowledge that experienced authors may take years to research.  I am thinking of threads like the marque specific discussions within the CCCA section, custom bodied Packard thread, the period pictures sections, new unrestored car appreciation thread, some of the really detailed restoration threads and so on.

 

Makes one wonder if the cream of the crop should be curated or tagged in some way?  

 

 

 

[Peter Gariepy]

13 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:

Makes one wonder if the cream of the crop should be curated or tagged in some way?  

 

Expand on that?  "curated" or "tagged"?

[Steve_Mack_CT]

1 minute ago, Peter Gariepy said:

 

Expand on that?  "curated" or "tagged"?

I don't quite know Peter, I just feel some of these threads are valuable enough that we don't want to lose them and I wonder if there is any value in indexing but search does largely perform that function.  

 

Thinking out loud mainly, I don't necesarilly know what action would be beneficial here but thought I would share the thought anyway.

 

 

 

 

[Peter Gariepy]

24 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:

I don't quite know Peter, I just feel some of these threads are valuable enough that we don't want to lose them and I wonder if there is any value in indexing but search does largely perform that function.  

 

Thinking out loud mainly, I don't necesarilly know what action would be beneficial here but thought I would share the thought anyway.

 

The entire forum and its collective content will remain available for all to see.  At least while I have anything to say about It.

 

 

The forum is searchable, both within the forum, and in search engines like google.  So for example, if you goto google and search for "1929 Stutz 8 Sedan" the forum topic in the CCCA forums will come back in the first 5 results of Google search.  T

 

Period photos topic is a perfect example of a wonderful topic that is an absolute mess - at least from a technical perspective. I've set rules on how use the forum properly but as they say "you can lead a horse to water".  It's unfortunate, because there is so much good content there, but because it's buried in a single topic with 20,000 posts it's impossible to search.  Good news is 99% of the topics in the forum are not so poorly organized.

 

Think of the forums a bit like our AACA library.  Both are constantly getting new content.  But the forum is auto-indexed.  As new AI technology becomes available the search results will be even better.

 

[edinmass]

42 minutes ago, Peter Gariepy said:

 

As new AI technology becomes available the search results will be even better.

 

 

It's the lack of intelligence of people walking around that scares me( simply put, there is no more common sense.).............remember when there was just a bit of civility in the world? Like all things..........progress brings change. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history)

[Peter Gariepy]

15 minutes ago, edinmass said:

 

It's the lack of intelligence of people walking around that scares me( simply put, there is no more common sense.).............remember when there was just a bit of civility in the world?

I disagree.

 

15 minutes ago, edinmass said:

remember when there was just a bit of civility in the world?

Do you not see the irony in this statement?

[edinmass]

Nope. 
 

I was reading about the new generation AI, and checked out that newly hyped site. It was interesting but not earth shattering. I expect it will improve rapidly. 
 

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history)

[Steve_Mack_CT]

Chat gtp may help me write that best seller...

 

Peter, not a criticism of your efforts just thinking out loud here.

 

For anyone who has read or seen Stephen King's Dreamcatcher, Ed definately needs his own department in the memory warehouse.  

Edited February 21, 2023 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history)

[Peter Gariepy]

1 hour ago, edinmass said:

Nope. 

 

Are you not the one being uncivil be generalizing that people lack intelligence and civility?

 

 

Forum Guidelines

• Follow the forum rules.
• Post in the appropriate forum.
• Write complete topic titles. (no clickbait)
• When applicable include the year, make and model of vehicle. 
• Follow individual forum guidelines.
• Stay on the topic of the post.
• Remember the golden rule.

"Before you speak (post or comment) ask yourself if what you are going to say is true, is kind, is necessary, is helpful. If the answer is no, maybe what you are about to say should be left unsaid." - Bernard Meltzer 

[Peter Gariepy]

1 hour ago, edinmass said:

I was reading about the new generation AI, and checked out that newly hyped site. It was interesting but not earth shattering. I expect it will improve rapidly. 

Forget the Hype for a moment.

The most basic value added by AI search is better search results.  This is a good thing.

[edinmass]

4 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said:

Forget the Hype for a moment.

The most basic value added by AI search is better search results.  This is a good thing.

I look forward to it opening up new areas of scholarship. I’m guessing in another fifty years almost every book will have been digitally scanned and will be searchable……..the bigger question is change happening too fast for society to adapt to it without causing significant problems. Obviously a question that has been asked ten thousand times…….but I think the last 25 years has accelerated change at a previously unimaginable rate. Hell, the world still hasn’t figured out social media………….I’ll be long gone before it does. Only thing for certain is todays young people will still be trying to figure it out in their retirement years. 

[Peter Gariepy]

I find it entertaining your position. 25 years ago I was lambasted by some on the Board of Directors of the AACA for even considering creating a website or a discussion forum, because the Internet was just a passing fad, and had absolutely no value to the antique Auto hobby.

In addition, people thought that the Internet was simply just a place where spammers and Pornography existed. Here we are 25 years later, and this forum is proof positive of the positive results of useful technology, even for antique automobile enthusiasts. Yes, technology changes over time and yes, there are problems with technology. Just like there are problems with automobile pollution, safety needs, etc.

[edinmass]

The automobile was just a passing fad in in 1905 also. The modern interpretation is called technology disruption. In 20 years from 1900 to 1920 we not only had cars, we had mass production, modern roads and bridges, petroleum production and distribution, road side tourist services, the list was endless. It’s interesting that the actual cheap and mass production of personnel computers was such a small effect. It took the smart phone to really disrupt the world and communication. In 1980 a phone call from the USA to Europe was expensive, very expensive. Now communication is almost free……..even for the poor. Technology disruption usually occurs on an interesting curve plotted on a graph. 70 percent of the change and advancement occurs in the first 20 percent of the overall impact. Tony Seba has a handful of videos on YouTube that explain what has happened with the automobile, and tries to predict the future with smartphones. 2/3 of his comments are factual and informative, where he thinks we are going seems certain in his analysis………I don’t think he has it anywhere near correct………….the future is just too much of a wild card to predict. Like they said about Henry Ford………….a true nut job if there ever was one………….he changed the world, weather or not it was good or bad, he didn’t leave us in the same conditions he found us in.

Edited February 22, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history)

[Peter Gariepy]

22 minutes ago, edinmass said:

Henry Ford

Devil or saint is still to be determined. But agree he sure mixed the pot!

[Peter Gariepy]

I’m curious where this forum will be in 25 years. 
 

hemmings lasted 60 years before it became obsolete. It’s still holding on, but its demise is imminent.   This forum still have a lot of life in it. But it will someday be circumvented by something we can not yet imagine. 

[edinmass]

With the prediction of 100 percent automated cars, the demise of a single owner car will also occur. Simply put, 90 percent of driving is local, and at lower speeds, which means LEV’s(light electric vehicles) will dominate. You don’t need a 3000 pound Tesla to go get groceries, pick kids up from school,ect………..and the on demand automated car will operate 20 hours a day, instead of your own personal car that operates thirty minutes   or less. Simply put the cost of capital will make most personal cars disappear. A few of us will still have our own……..just car guys and the wealthy. But the masses will have no need to have so much wealth sitting around for no reason. It will actually be significantly cheaper to use on demand transportation. (Read as a fancy golf cart) Cost per mile will be 1/10 the cost of owning and driving your own vehicle. The only question is when it will swap over. Probably twenty years or more.

 

Where will this forum be in 25 years, safe bet still ongoing. How busy? Or how important to the hobby? Impossible to predict.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history)

[8E45E]

18 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said:

Period photos topic is a perfect example of a wonderful topic that is an absolute mess - at least from a technical perspective. I've set rules on how use the forum properly but as they say "you can lead a horse to water".  It's unfortunate, because there is so much good content there, but because it's buried in a single topic with 20,000 posts it's impossible to search.  Good news is 99% of the topics in the forum are not so poorly organized.

Is it possible for each post to be numbered as they are in most other forums? 

 

When a person new to the forum asks about a photo of a vehicle of a particular make & year, and a 'regular' remembers one, and finds it amongst those 488 pages (and counting), it is difficult to refer someone to it without a posting number.  Sure, one can state the page number, but there are 40 posts per page.

 

Craig

[Dandy Dave]

Wheeooowww Doggies. I sure have a honey wagon load of fun here. Mosty sit back and watch. Stir the pot sometimes. But mostly try to help out where I can.

[DFeeney]

I have learned many "Thing's"  from being a member of this forum.  The "Most Important" is , I'm more Normal than I once thought. 

[Dandy Dave]

6 minutes ago, DFeeney said:

I have learned many "Thing's"  from being a member of this forum.  The "Most Important" is , I'm more Normal than I once thought. 

I resemble that remark. 😁

[AURktman]

8 hours ago, edinmass said:

The automobile was just a passing fad in in 1905 also. The modern interpretation is called technology disruption. In 20 years from 1900 to 1920 we not only had cars, we had mass production, modern roads and bridges, petroleum production and distribution, road side tourist services, the list was endless. It’s interesting that the actual cheap and mass production of personnel computers was such a small effect. It took the smart phone to really disrupt the world and communication. In 1980 a phone call from the USA to Europe was expensive, very expensive. Now communication is almost free……..even for the poor. Technology disruption usually occurs on an interesting curve plotted on a graph. 70 percent of the change and advancement occurs in the first 20 percent of the overall impact. Tony Seba has a handful of videos on YouTube that explain what has happened with the automobile, and tries to predict the future with smartphones. 2/3 of his comments are factual and informative, where he thinks we are going seems certain in his analysis………I don’t think he has it anywhere near correct………….the future is just too much of a wild card to predict. Like they said about Henry Ford………….a true nut job if there ever was one………….he changed the world, weather or not it was good or bad, he didn’t leave us in the same conditions he found us in.

I'm in the aerospace field and the rise of AI / machine learning is moving faster than expected.  It is certainly a technology disruption, not sure if it is a good one.  Automobiles, washing machines, and even computers are there to help humans do things.  In some ways, the development of AI is humans trying to be a godlike entity and I'm not sure we are prepared for what comes out of it.

 

Example: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/microsofts-bing-ai-is-leading-to-creepy-experiences-for-users.html 

[Matt Harwood]

6 minutes ago, AURktman said:

I'm in the aerospace field and the rise of AI / machine learning is moving faster than expected.  It is certainly a technology disruption, not sure if it is a good one.  Automobiles, washing machines, and even computers are there to help humans do things.  In some ways, the development of AI is humans trying to be a godlike entity and I'm not sure we are prepared for what comes out of it.

 

Example: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/microsofts-bing-ai-is-leading-to-creepy-experiences-for-users.html 

 

Oh, we know exactly what comes out of it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dandy Dave]

When the Artificial Intelligence becomes smarter than the programers and users it will be all down hill from there. 😬 I still want control of what I drive, operate, and use.

Edited February 22, 2023 by Dandy Dave (see edit history)

[Peter Gariepy]

3 hours ago, edinmass said:

With the prediction of 100 percent automated cars, the demise of a single owner car will also occur. Simply put, 90 percent of driving is local, and at lower speeds, which means LEV’s(light electric vehicles) will dominate. You don’t need a 3000 pound Tesla to go get groceries, pick kids up from school,ect………..and the on demand automated car will operate 20 hours a day, instead of your own personal car that operates thirty minutes   or less. Simply put the cost of capital will make most personal cars disappear. A few of us will still have our own……..just car guys and the wealthy. But the masses will have no need to have so much wealth sitting around for no reason. It will actually be significantly cheaper to use on demand transportation. (Read as a fancy golf cart) Cost per mile will be 1/10 the cost of owning and driving your own vehicle. The only question is when it will swap over. Probably twenty years or more.

 

Where will this forum be in 25 years, safe bet still ongoing. How busy? Or how important to the hobby? Impossible to predict.

 

 

 

Interesting vision.  Not entirely off the mark, but... anyone not in an urban center will still need a more independent vehicle.

Cities like LA that thrive on automobiles are a LONG way from utilizing LEVs.  Most people's commutes are dramatically longer than the 30 mins a day you state.

I live in a city center. Biking is practical for me, and more healthy.  If I had a LEV to utilize I would for the majority of my short trip needs.

With any luck Ill still be around in 25 years to see if you predictions pan out.

[Bhigdog]

33 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

Oh, we know exactly what comes out of it...

"HAL! Open the POD bay door"............"I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that"................Bob

[SC38dls]

Apps, Wikipedia, social media, ultimate search simplification, apps that will write a complete essay or story based on a few words of a subject. How easy should it be to find an answer to something. We don’t have history classes in school anymore. The other day Jeopardy had a question about the last president assassinated 

and three college grads could not answer the question correctly. Hand writing isn’t taught in grade schools and forget about spelling. Kids don’t need it there is speed check on the phones and who has to write you just text now.  Research is for learning about something, a search engine gives an answer but the details of why or how that answer came about is lost. We are just dumbing down future generations.  Matt and bhigdog hit the mail on the head. This dave will always attemp to break the door down. Usually not successfully. 
dave s 

[edinmass]

I think the automated LEV's are going to end up being the future for let's say....75-80 percent of the people. Rural lifestyle and remote living are going to be a lifestyle choice that many may not be able to accomplish even if they desire it. Also, I see full size electric cars becoming almost 90 percent carbon fiber......the only way to get an electric very efficient is weight reduction. If we have automated delivery vehicles for packages and such.....the reason to travel will become less. AI is going to change things in a big way.........I think the big question is will it be allowed to be implemented without federal regulation.............time will tell.

Edited February 22, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history)

[Ronnie]

4 hours ago, 8E45E said:

Is it possible for each post to be numbered as they are in most other forums? 

 

When a person new to the forum asks about a photo of a vehicle of a particular make & year, and a 'regular' remembers one, and finds it amongst those 488 pages (and counting), it is difficult to refer someone to it without a posting number.  Sure, one can state the page number, but there are 40 posts per page.

Numbers are fine for sharing until a post gets deleted and the numbers change, which happens a lot.

 

Numbers aren't needed on this forum. This forum has a better way to share posts.

 

-Click the three dots on the right of each post. A menu will drop down.

-Click "Share" in the menu

-Copy the link it the box that pops up or select one of the other methods for sharing the post.

-You can share the link you copy in a forum post or via email and the link will take you directly to the post.

 

 

[Peter Gariepy]

3 hours ago, 8E45E said:

Is it possible for each post to be numbered as they are in most other forums? 

 

When a person new to the forum asks about a photo of a vehicle of a particular make & year, and a 'regular' remembers one, and finds it amongst those 488 pages (and counting), it is difficult to refer someone to it without a posting number.  Sure, one can state the page number, but there are 40 posts per page.

 

Craig

The problem you wish to solve is not hard.  Typical topics that stay on one subject are easy to share and don't require page numbers.

 

I think the topic youre referring to is below.  The AACA forum technology was NEVER designed to be used that way.  Having 20,000 posts in one topic is the issue.  As you'll see the in the pre war photos forum, I have explicit instructions requesting NOT to add to the "Period images to relieve some of the stress" topic. Even the original poster Walt encourages it. Yet a small bullheaded group of people continue to add the topic instead of creating new topics within the forum.   You can lead a horse to water...

 

 

 

 

[Hans1]

12 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said:

I find it entertaining your position. 25 years ago I was lambasted by some on the Board of Directors of the AACA for even considering creating a website or a discussion forum, because the Internet was just a passing fad, and had absolutely no value to the antique Auto hobby.

In addition, people thought that the Internet was simply just a place where spammers and Pornography existed. Here we are 25 years later, and this forum is proof positive of the positive results of useful technology, even for antique automobile enthusiasts. Yes, technology changes over time and yes, there are problems with technology. Just like there are problems with automobile pollution, safety needs, etc.

Need more time to be able to select the "winning CUP" emblem.

I can never clicket in time.

Hans

[Dandy Dave]

18 hours ago, edinmass said:

I think the big question is will it be allowed to be implemented without federal regulation.............time will tell.

One thing for sure, they'll find a way to tax it.

[TAKerry]

I suppose the biggest thing I get from the forum is entertainment. I try to check in every morning and enjoy perusing whilst enjoying a cup o joe. I always thought I knew about 'old' cars until I came on here. There are so many great guys with knowledge on these 'old cars' that is far superior than what I have read in most magazine articles. Although my car is new by what I perceive is most of the peoples standards on here, I still enjoy learning about the classics. I have met quite a few "internet friends" through pm on various topics, and have even met a few members in person, all good LOL. 

[Restorer32]

Hardly a day goes by that I don't check this forum.  To me this forum is "Hershey to go".

 

 

 

 

[George K]

22 hours ago, edinmass said:

I think the automated LEV's are going to end up being the future for let's say....75-80 percent of the people. Rural lifestyle and remote living are going to be a lifestyle choice that many may not be able to accomplish even if they desire it. Also, I see full size electric cars becoming almost 90 percent carbon fiber......the only way to get an electric very efficient is weight reduction. If we have automated delivery vehicles for packages and such.....the reason to travel will become less. AI is going to change things in a big way.........I think the big question is will it be allowed to be implemented without federal regulation.............time will tell.

Hey man you’re freaking me out. I thinking about picking up one of these.

[R W Burgess]

On 2/22/2023 at 9:24 AM, AURktman said:

 In some ways, the development of AI is humans trying to be a godlike entity and I'm not sure we are prepared for what comes out of it.

 

I am sure we are not prepared for it. With the recent covid shutdown I personally found out that AI could not process certain government requirements, and of course most "real people" were not at work during that time. (Now they're talking about 4 week days of work, right!) When there is a major shutdown, that's when the "chickens come to roost"!  

I won't be around to worry about it, but I fear my offspring will have issues.

 

Just saying

Wayne

[Walt G]

Most interesting to read all the thoughts and opinions. Lots of opinions................. Think of the name of the club that sponsors/pays for this forum. It is a History and Preservation organization, Not to be taken lightly as any serious organization that says it is will have to at some point justify it with the state for purposes of even existing and for donations to their cause. Be that $ or material objects. This goes for not just vehicle related organizations but for local , state and national history preservation societies, clubs, organizations etc. A lot more to it then one would ever believe and it is not just based on what people involved say(opinions) but can PROVE. I have mentioned before that I am involved in local /state history, each year I have to submit a report to the state to prove I/we ( the village I am the appointed historian for) are doing our jobs and it IS NOT JUST A TITLE to flaunt to show you are a superior being. In N.Y. state a incorporated village just doesn't have a village historian because it is "nice" it has been a state law since the teens that villages in N.Y. state have to have a historian or be in violation of state law.

What are we getting out of the forums besides good camaraderie - the historic knowledge and preservation of the vehicles we cherish.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Walt G (see edit history)