Gunsmoke Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I see a very nice "survivor" 1931 Chrysler CD8 Royal Deluxe Coupe on ebay today, wonderful patina, looks original throughout although may have an old repaint. Be interesting to see what it sells for (if it sells), has a reserve. ebay# 303432299568. Maybe someone on here who knows how to load ad onto AACA forum. Not Mine, car is in Michigan. Pretty rare car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gunsmoke said: # 303432299568 Here you go....https://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Chrysler-Royal-Deluxe-CD-8-Coupe/303432299568?hash=item46a5f97430:g:R4MAAOSwoQdeEMSa Edited January 5, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 That's a good-looking car. I've long thought the CD8 was an under-rated machine with some of the best lines of anything of the period. Nice originality on that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I am wondering if she is really an 8 ? The distance from the side louvers to the grille looks kind of short for an 8. The brightwork alone is worth what the current 8K + bid. But lots of time for the late bidders to jump in. Wishing I had more room, Would make a very nice DW's car.............. Mike in Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, FLYER15015 said: I am wondering if she is really an 8 ? The distance from the side louvers to the grille looks kind of short for an 8. The brightwork alone is worth what the current 8K + bid. But lots of time for the late bidders to jump in. Wishing I had more room, Would make a very nice DW's car.............. Mike in Colorado The eight cylinder engine in the ad....DEFINITELY an eight.... Edited January 5, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The 8 digit firing order is shown on the manifold.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broker-len Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Chrysler-Royal-Deluxe-CD-8-Coupe/303432299568?hash=item46a5f97430:g:R4MAAOSwoQdeEMSa this is E bay ad up to $ 9500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Can I ask what that cable actuated mechanism is on the exhaust manifold? I am guessing the lever device on the thermostat is to open the front louvers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 BB, yes there is a thermostatically controlled gizmo that opens the grill as engine warms. There is a butterfly valve in manifold as a heat riser to warm fuel in bowl etc at startup, with a pull on dash. I like the fact this car appears so original, ad says drives nicely, suggesting one could buy it and drive it just as it is. I expect it would be a big attraction at nearly any car event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billety Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I know I am being petty but I don't like the two piece windscreens on this model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I saw this just after it was listed last night. A conversation with the seller has the reserve set at 25k. Cool ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just a great looking coupe with clean lines on the whole car. I love these Chryslers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Also, there is a red / maroon '31 Chrysler "Royal Special" fully restored for $24,500.00 in Ault Colorado. It is listed on Classic cars.com Engine bay looks quite clean and the grey upholstery looks well done. Listing shows 40,850 on the clock. F Y I Mike in Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wetherbee Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Here’s another great unrestored car that I wish I had the room and cash for. It’s the originality that I love and with an 8 it could keep up with modern traffic! Edited January 6, 2020 by Mark Wetherbee (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, FLYER15015 said: Also, there is a red / maroon '31 Chrysler "Royal Special" fully restored for $24,500.00 in Ault Colorado. It is listed on Classic cars.com Engine bay looks quite clean and the grey upholstery looks well done. Listing shows 40,850 on the clock. F Y I Mike in Colorado Problem is the maroon car is a open quarter sedan, and the black car here is a business coupe. Edited January 6, 2020 by alsancle (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaddds Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I didnt know they had 4 speeds then. Thought they all had 3 speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, deaddds said: I didnt know they had 4 speeds then. Thought they all had 3 speeds. In addition to the usual three speeds, there's an ultra-low first gear that you probably would never use (high gear is still the usual 1:1, no overdrive). It's really like there are two first gears, and they both share the same left-and-down slot. That first gear slot is actually forked, and depending on which side of the fork you choose, that's which first gear you get. It would be impossible to shift, say, from the ultra-low first to the regular first, but you can go from either first gear to second, as usual. Packard had a similar setup, maybe others, too. I don't know why in 1931 or so everyone thought they needed that ultra-low gear--it was as if they said, "Well, it's the Depression and all, people are going to use their Chryslers as tractors because they can't afford both." Strange but there it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, deaddds said: I didnt know they had 4 speeds then. Thought they all had 3 speeds. Most Chrysler products of the era had a three speed, but Chrysler had a four speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Franklin offered 2 different maker 4 speeds in the same gearing. You could walk next to it in low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I really like the Maroon 4 door but I have a thing for maroon 31 four doors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 For the machinery geeks out there, Heavy Duty (or "extra low" as some called it) ratio was 3.627-1, starting gear (1st gear) was 2.483-1, 2nd gear (accelerating) was 1.383-1 and final drive (also called speed or direct) was 1-1. Reverse was 3.137-1, so extra low was even higher ratio than reverse. Final drive in Extra Low at rear was about 15-1. Don't know just why they went to this "extra low", most likely seldom used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) The extra low-low seems unnecessary today in most cases. I have a 1929 Franklin Roadster that when its full of people front and back and I get caught at the light in Lakeville near home I always use it. The light is at the base of a 10% grade and starting out in regular low makes the old girl grown a bit. The gearbox is a Warner T-77 with low low all to the left and down. Regular low is right next door under reverse. I can take the motor up to speed and shift right into regular low like cutting butter with a hot knife. Its a sweet gearbox... But getting back to the reason WHY many cars had them back in the day is MUD. The roads were lousy and imagine churning along on a muddy soft road. What gear would you use? LOW- LOW . I'm sure. This is my guess.... Edited January 7, 2020 by mikewest (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Mike you are correct, add that most roads had no shoulder so if you went off with one rear wheel you could easily get stuck with out the low gear to get you out. At the Franklin Club trek Bill Harrah decades ago brought a 1930 Franklin Pursuit ( dual cowl) phaeton . I was riding with him and his current girl friend at that time and on one of the tours he backed it into a soft area with one rear wheel . So he indeed did use that low first gear and the car just walked its way out with out any need for a tow or assistance. We both smiled at each other about that - he lady friend didn't understand.........😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 great looking car, but really doubt it will sell. There is a 31 Auburn that has been listed 3x and cant make 20k. Much nicer condition and a suicide door vicki. this market is so so soft right now. Easier to sell a model A Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, mercer09 said: great looking car, but really doubt it will sell. There is a 31 Auburn that has been listed 3x and cant make 20k. Much nicer condition and a suicide door vicki. this market is so so soft right now. Easier to sell a model A Ford. Mercer09 , If you are referring to the cream 31 Auburn with plum colored fenders listed at $ 38,500 on this forum what do you think that car has over this Chrysler? Im curious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950panhead Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Quote great looking car, but really doubt it will sell. There is a 31 Auburn that has been listed 3x and cant make 20k. Much nicer condition and a suicide door vicki. Quote Mercer09 , If you are referring to the cream 31 Auburn with plum colored fenders listed at $ 38,500 on this forum what do you think that car has over this Chrysler? I am curious? https://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Auburn-8-98A-/153770334556?hash=item23cd6d195c%3Ag%3AJC8AAOSwKc5dvXu4&nma=true&si=ySj2mdoCuZeaI80Pj79KgEB71js%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 This 31 Auburn bid to $17k, did not meet reserve, he wanted $38k. I like the Chrysler. Edited January 7, 2020 by 1950panhead x (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, 1950panhead said: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Auburn-8-98A-/153770334556?hash=item23cd6d195c%3Ag%3AJC8AAOSwKc5dvXu4&nma=true&si=ySj2mdoCuZeaI80Pj79KgEB71js%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 This 31 Auburn bid to $17k, did not meet reserve, he wanted $38k. I like the Chrysler. ME TOO.. Ive had Auburns. 1931 sedan 32 sedan and a 32 Phaeton sedan. Neat cars and run great but they are not the quality of the Chrysler. (In my opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 38 Seems like alot of money for that sedan. YEs it's a 2 not 4 door but it's still a sedan. If I had 38 G and was looking I would borrow the extra and buy an open car. The Chrysler is a different story I like Auburns but would take the Chrysler over the Auburn. Especially if I had my choice at the same money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 yes Mike, only point is that neither will sell. soft market here.......... these arent v 12's or 16s............. I know you wouldnt pay what either one wants and neither would I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I also would be concerned about the wood in the Chrysler. doubt it has ever been touched.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, mikewest said: ME TOO.. Ive had Auburns. 1931 sedan 32 sedan and a 32 Phaeton sedan. Neat cars and run great but they are not the quality of the Chrysler. (In my opinion) Auburns are basically assembled cars. The lesser build quality is very evident if you have a Packard or Pierce Arrow parked next to one and sit in both. What Auburn doesn't have in build quality they made up for in cool factor. Very nice styling and neat features, especially on the later 851/852 cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 the auburn is down to 29k on ebay now............ still not going to sell. lots of choices out there. few buyers. many dreamers............................................................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, mercer09 said: I also would be concerned about the wood in the Chrysler. doubt it has ever been touched.................. The most wood in the car is around the roof opening and rear window opening. Not really a big concern on this car. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The Chrysler is a better road car than the Auburn and far better engineering in my humble opinion. OK....I AM biased, but the Chryslers were way ahead of the game when it came to reliability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 10:42 AM, mercer09 said: the auburn is down to 29k on ebay now............ still not going to sell. lots of choices out there. few buyers. many dreamers............................................................... Auburn - 29K is probably a little too high and 17K is definitely too low - while a closed car, Auburn's are a little different via very active club and huge group of fans matched to the cars being very roadworthy - just takes a while for word to spread and .... - A dreamer will figure out what it takes if they truly want a car and I see it happen at least every other week (if you want one it is a pretty dangerous game to believe you are the only one in the crowd that is willing to step up to the plate - "snooze you loose" comes to mind as an expression). Edited January 11, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 10:43 AM, keiser31 said: The most wood in the car is around the roof opening and rear window opening. Not really a big concern on this car. An earlier Auburn is NOT a 1934-1936 - the earlier cars are entirely wood structured and they used Poplar (and as a result it is lucky any Auburn pre-34 survived other than they were good looking and ....). A 34-36 also has wood, though in a phaeton it is for tack strips only, a Cabriolet has wood in the rear tub, and a Sedan has upper body wood, but all the cars have steel lower body frame sills. Edited January 11, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, alsancle said: Auburns are basically assembled cars. The lesser build quality is very evident if you have a Packard or Pierce Arrow parked next to one and sit in both. What Auburn doesn't have in build quality they made up for in cool factor. Very nice styling and neat features, especially on the later 851/852 cars. As to assembled cars - yes, Auburns are assembled cars, but they owned or had financial interests in probably 80% plus of the suppliers matched to few of the parts interchanging with anything else, so technically I would not consider them really assembled cars in the true sense of other 20's/30's "Assembled" cars.. And, yes Auburn's are perhaps Buick quality (if that), but that is also the joy in them - in cost cutting and making a cheaper car they also made the car lighter, more simple, and that matched to a decent powerplant gives you a great road car that looks really good too. Sidenote: 35/36 Aluminum cylinder heads, any year Lycoming casting quality, 32-36 Columbia two-speed axles and ... do take some mechanical smarts and pocket change. Edited January 7, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Chry48 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 10:17 AM, John_Mereness said: Not a 1934-1936 - the earlier cars are entirely wood structured and they used Poplar (and as a result it is lucky any Auburn pre-34 survived other than they were good looking and ....). A 34-36 also has wood, though in a phaeton it is for tack strips and ..., a Cabriolet has wood in the rear tub, and a Sedan has upper body wood, but all the cars have steel lower body frame sills. I think what Keiser was referring to was on the Chrysler, the car contained very little wood. The 31 Chrysler only contains wood where interior trim pieces need to be attached, and of course across the top opening. The basic structure of the car was not wood, like a lot of cars in the day, but made of steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I know when I slam the door on my 31 Plymouth PA you can tell it has no wood in the body framing. Sounds like slamming the door on a deuce and half truck. All steel. Nothing to soften the sound. My 31 franklin makes a nice thunk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I'm no aficionado of the Auburns, other than very much liking their style. But I would suspect that the paint scheme on the one pictured above has to have a negative impact on it's saleability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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