What is considered an antique auto? Classic?

[Willy]

I have a 1952 Dodge pickup, a 1928 Whippet and a 1918 DB Touring. Where do they fit?

[Dave Mellor NJ]

Nice collection. They're all antiques

[John_S_in_Penna]

They are all "antique," which is commonly recognized

as any vehicle 25 years old or older.

 

They are all "classic," which really has no special

definition in the hobby.

 

When "Classic" is capitalized within a sentence, it tends

to be as defined by the Classic Car Club of America,

and mean very specific cars of higher cost and/or

hand construction primarily before World War II.  That

club has their own list of what they consider a "Classic,"

which is sometimes called a "Full Classic."

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

1 hour ago, Willy said:

I have a 1952 Dodge pickup, a 1928 Whippet and a 1918 DB Touring. Where do they fit?

Tightly in a two car garage. 

[wayne sheldon]

"Antique" is a tough one. There is no commonly accepted definition. For many years, many people said that something had to be a hundred years old to be considered an antique. For whatever strange reason I never did quite figure out? A lot of other people firmly believed that either 66 or 67 years was the "magic" number. A lot of other people liked a lot of other ideas.

Today, the 25 year rule is what many people consider antiques when discussing automobiles. Then again, a few people I know joke about an "antique is only something older than I am!"

I would consider both the 1918 Dodge Brothers and the 1928 Whippet to be antiques. However, neither one is either a "brass era". "horseless carriage" (1915 or earlier), or "full Classic". 

In my book, the 1952 Dodge pickup would be a modern work vehicle! But that is me (and I would love to have one!). There are a lot of people that really go for postwar pickups, as well as most other cars and trucks of the 1940s through the 1980s and beyond! The postwar eras (there are several special interest groups through those years) are the biggest areas of the hobby these days. 

Regardless, with those vehicles, you should be able to fit right in

[zdillinger]

Others have covered this appropriately, but I will also add a bureaucratic wrinkle. The various states all have their own definition of "antique", "historic" or "classic" for vehicle registration /historic plate purposes. Some states are 25 years, others 20.

[Guest]

All ALL Approved CCCA Full Classics® 1915-1948 UPDATED January 1, 2022 Only certain models of the following vehicles built during 1915 through 1948 are recognized as CCCA Classics. Be sure to check on the list of recognized cars to see if Julian – All Kissel – 1915-1924 6- and 12-cylinder; 1923-1928 6-55; 1925-1927 8-75; 1928 8-90 and 8-90 White Eagle; 1929-1930 8-95 White Eagle; 1929-1931 8-126 Kleiber – 1926 Model 212; 1927 Model 178; 1928 Model 133; 1929 Model 37 Lafayette – 1921-1924 All Lagonda – All through 1940 Two Post-War V-12 (except 1934-1940 Rapier,) Lanchester – 1919-1931 Models 21, 23, 30 and 40 Lancia – 1928-1939 Dilambda and Astura LaSalle – 1927-1940 All Leach – 1920-1923 All Lincoln – 1920-1940 All models L, KA, KB, and K, 1941 168 H; 1942 268 H Lincoln Continental – 1939-1948 All Locomobile – 1915-1924; All includes left hand drive models 48 and all model 90; 1927-1929 Model 8-80; 1929 Model 8-88 Lozier – 1915-1916 All Marmon – All Models 41, 48, and 34; 1915-1924; All 12- & 16-cylinder, 1925-1926 D-74, 1927 E-75, 1928 75, 1930 Big 8, 1931 88 and Big 8 Maserati – Application Considered Maybach – All McFarlan – 1915-1924, All, TV6 and 8 Mercedes – All Mercer – All M.G. – 1935-1939 SA, 1938-1939 WA Miller – 1928 & 1932 Minerva – All except 4-cylinder Nash – 1930 Series 480, 490; 1931 Series 880, 890; 1932 Series 980, 990 and Series 1080, 1090; 1933 Series 1180, 1190; 1934 Series 1280, 1290; 1940 Sakhnoffsky Special Cabriolet National – 1916-1919 All Owen Magnetic – 1915-1921 All Packard – All 1915-1922 6 and 12 cylinder models, except model 116; All 6, 8 and 12 cylinder 1923-1934; All 12 cylinder 1932 through 1939; 1935 and 1936: all 1200-1205 models, 1936 all 1400-1405 models, 1937 all 1500-1502 models, 1938 all 1603-1605 models, 1939 all 1703-1705 models; 1940: all 1803-1808 models; 1941: all 1903-1908 models, plus 160 and 180 Clippers; 1942: all 2003-2008 models, plus 160 and 180 Clippers; 1946-1947: all 2103, 2106, 2126 models; All Darrin Bodied, other custom bodies please apply Paige – 1916-1927 All 6-55, 6-66 Pathfinder – 1916-1917 All Peerless – 1925 Series 67; 1926-1928 Series 69; 1929 Series 8-125; 1930-1931 Custom 8; 1932 Deluxe Custom 8 Pierce-Arrow – 1915-1938 All Railton – Application Considered Renault – 1928 45 HP (40CV) , 40 hp (41CV) Reinastella, Reinasport, 1929-1934, 8-cylinder Nervahuit, Nervastella, Nervasport (Suprastella) Reo – 1931-1934, Royale 8-cylinder ReVere – 1918-1926 All Richelieu – 1922-1923 All Roamer – 1916–1929 All Rochester-Duesenberg – 4-cylinder; All 1925 6-54E; 1925-1929 8-88; 1929-1931 8-125 Rohr – 1928-1935 R, RA, F and FK Rolls-Royce – 1915-1948 All Ruxton – All Squire* – All S.S. and SS Jaguar – 1932-1940 S.S. 1, S.S. 90, SS Jaguar and SS Jaguar 100 Simplex (and those also known as Simplex-Crane) 1915-1924 All Stearns Knight – 1919-1922 All 4-cylinder;1915-1924 All 6 and 8-cylinder; 1925-1929-All Stevens Duryea – 1915-1927 All Steyr – 1923-1929 Type VI Sport, VI Klausen, SS Klausen and Austria Studebaker – 1928 8-cylinder President; 1929-1933 President except Model 82; 1934 President Stutz – All except 1915 HCS Sunbeam – 8-cylinder and 3 litre twin cam Talbot – 1930-1935:(GB) 105 and 110; (F), Darracq (GB),Talbot-Lago (F) – 8-cylinder 1936-1939; 4-Litre 6-Cyl; 1946-1948 4-1/2 Litre Tatra – 1927-1948 Models T70, T70A, T80, T77, T77A and T87 with prewar styling Templar – 1915-1924 All Triumph – Dolomite 8 and Gloria 6 Vauxhall – 25-70 and 30-98 Velie – 1928 Model 8-88 Voisin* – All Wasp – 1919-1924 All White – 1915 -1918 All Wills Sainte Claire – All all models of a particular marque are accepted as Full Classic® cars. A.C. – 1925-1940 All Adler – 1928-1934 Standard 8 Alfa Romeo – All Alvis – Speed 20, 3 1/2 litre, Speed 25 and 4.3 litre Amilcar – Application Considered Apperson – 1925-1926 Straightaway Eight Armstrong-Siddeley – 1924-1933 Model 30; 1933-1939 Special Aston-Martin – 1927-1939 All Auburn – All 8- and 12-cylinder Austro-Daimler* – All Ballot – 2LS, 2LT, 2LTS, RH,RH2 and RH3 Bentley – 1919-1948 All Benz – 1925-1926, 10/30, 11/40, 16/50,16/50 Sport Biddle – 1915-1922 All Blackhawk – All B.M.W. – 327, 328, 327/8 and 335 Brewster – 1915-1925 All; 1934-1936 All Brough Superior – 1934-1939 All Bucciali – TAV 8, TAV 30,TAV 12 and Double Huit Bugatti – All except types 52 and 68 Buick – 1930 Series 60; 1931-1942 Series 90; 1931-1933 and 1936-1939 Series 80; 1940 Series 80 Limited; 1940-41 Buick Roadmaster 70 series Cadillac – 1915-1947 All; 1948 – Series 75 Chadwick – 1915-1916 All Chrysler – 1926-1932 Imperial and Series 80, Includes Series CG, CH, CL; 1932-1939 Custom Imperial Series – CL, CX, CW, C-3, C-11, C-15, C-20, C-24; 1934-1937 Airflow Imperial Eight models CV, C2, C10, C17; 1940-1948 Crown Imperial – Includes Series C-27, C-30N, C-33, C-37, C-40; Newports and Thunderbolts; 1941-1948 Town & Country Cole – 1916-1925 All 8-cylinder Cord – All Corinthian – 1922-1923 All Cunningham – 1916 All; V Series from 1916 All Dagmar – 1922-1926, 6-70 and Series 6-80 Daimler – 1925-1934 6-8-12-cylinder, 3-1/2 Litre and larger Daniels – 1916-1924 All 8 Cyl; 1920-1926 Model D Darracq – See Talbot Delage – 1924-1926 GL and GLS Models; Model D-6; Model D-8 Delahaye – Series 135, 145, 148, 165 Delaunay Belleville – All 6-cylinder Doble – All Dorris – All Duesenberg – All duPont – 1919-1931 All Elcar – 1925-1933, 8-80, 8-81, 8-90, 8-91, 8-92, 120, 130 and 140 Excelsior – 1919-1926 Adex Models; 1925-1932 Albert 1 (Premier Models) Farman – 1925-1931 All Fiat – 1923-1927 Model 519; 1928-1931 Model 525; 1938-1940 Model 2800, No Military Vehicles Fox – 1921-1923 All Franklin* – Pre-1925 please apply; 1925-1934 All models except Olympic; Gardner – 1925-1926 Line 8; 1925-1926 Model 8A; 1926-1927 Model 8B; 1927 Model 890; Model 90; 1928 Models 8-85, 8-90; Model 130; 1928-1929 Models 85, 95; 1929 Models 125-135; 1930 Models 145,150; 1930-1931 Model 150; 1931 Models 148-158 Georges Irat – 1922-1929 2 Litre & 3 Litre; 1930-1934 Lycoming 6- and 8-cylinder, No Military Vehicles Graham-Paige/Graham – 1928-1929 Series 835, 837; 1930 Series 837; All Custom 8; 1931 All Custom 8; series 834 HAL – 1916-1918 All Haynes – 1916-1923 All V-12 Models 1922 All 6 Cyl Model 75; 1923 Models 75 and 77 HCS – 1920-1924 All Heine-Velox – 1921-1922 All Hispano-Suiza – 1919; H6; All French models; Spanish models T56, T49, T56BIS, T64 Horch* – All Hotchkiss – 1929-1940 All 3 & 3-1/2 Litre, AM80, AM80S, 620, 680, 686 Paris-Nice, 686 Grand Sport Hudson – 1929-Series L, 1931 Greater 8 Series T Boattail Humber – 1930 Pullman model 6 Hupmobile – 1930-1932, Series H and H-255, U and U237 Invicta* – All through 1938 Isotta-Fraschini – All from 1919 except Tipo 8C Monterosa Itala* – All Jaguar – 1946-1948 - 2-1/2 litre, 3-1/2 litre (Mark IV) Jensen – 1936-1939 All, except 2 1/4 Litre Jordan – 1929-1931 Models G, 90, Great Line 90, and Speed Way Series Z 66A, 66B; Custom bodied only (Considered by application) Winton – 1915-1924

Edited August 31, 2022 by Roger Walling (see edit history)

[31 LaSalle]

I have a 1929 peerless 6/61 sedan

           a 1928 Chrysler 72 convertible coupe

           a 1931 Lassalle 345 town sedan

where do they fit/ classic / full classic / antique / historic

and the reasons please

                      

                          

     

 

 

 

[Pilgrim65]

Having had an antique shop and attended antique  fairs , it was generally accepted within the trade that an article was only classified as a true antique unless 100 years old . Automobiles probably have different criteria , and  finding it interesting the information and views of this thread 

[1912Staver]

I always think of Antiques as starting in the late 1920's and extending back to the start of cars. I only mention Brass Era and Classic  to people I know that have a good knowledge of hobby cars.  Vintage can be looked at as even more general and broad. The start, to about 1970.

[John_S_in_Penna]

1 hour ago, Pilgrim65 said:

...it was generally accepted within the trade that an article was only classified as a true antique unless 100 years old . Automobiles probably have different criteria... 

Definitely!  Automobiles don't last, in use, nearly as long

as some other items, such as furniture.  And, with advancing

technology in the old days, they became obsolete rather

quickly.  So they become "antique" much sooner.

 

Our Antique Automobile Club of America was founded in

1935, when the oldest cars were barely over 35 years old.

If we had to wait 100 years for the definition of "antique"

to include cars, they wouldn't have founded the club until

the 1990's!

[John_S_in_Penna]

5 hours ago, 31 LaSalle said:

I have a 1929 peerless 6/61 sedan

           a 1928 Chrysler 72 convertible coupe

           a 1931 Lassalle 345 town sedan

where do they fit/ classic / full classic / antique / historic

and the reasons please. 

In the U. S. A. at least, "historic" is just a general term,

without any specific definition related to cars.  So is the

term "classic."  So your cars are all antique, historic, and

classic.

 

Others can tell you whether your cars fit the rather narrow

list of capitalized "Classics" as defined by the CCCA.

[CarlLaFong]

Used Cars

[Steve_Mack_CT]

15 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

Tightly in a two car garage. 

Or, using my pal Rick's logic, 2 cars for each bay providing you have some loft space and at least half of the cars are disassembled! 😉

[Terry Bond]

And in the UK you have Veteran, Vintage and Post Vintage. 

The individual states and specialty insurance companies also have defined the different categories and have even created new ones. 

[1937hd45]

18 minutes ago, Terry Bond said:

And in the UK you have Veteran, Vintage and Post Vintage. 

The individual states and specialty insurance companies also have defined the different categories and have even created new ones. 

It is 2022, so everything is subject to being REdefined.

[wayne sheldon]

6 hours ago, 31 LaSalle said:

I have a 1929 peerless 6/61 sedan

           a 1928 Chrysler 72 convertible coupe

           a 1931 Lassalle 345 town sedan

where do they fit/ classic / full classic / antique / historic

and the reasons please

                      

                          

     

 

 

 

The CCCA has modified the list, and added a lot of cars and more years than they accepted fifty years ago when I was a member. How many more will be added? Anybody's guess. My opinion, they have already expanded the list too much! There were good reasons for the what and why most cars were or were not accepted early on. But that is opinion.

 

A link to a better CCCA list;

 

https://www.classiccarclub.org/approved-classics

 

This list is easier to read and follow!

In short, your 1928 Chrysler model 72 is not a full Classic (yet?). Those years, only the Imperial series 80 is accepted.

 

Your Peerless is I think again one of the smaller models for the marque, and apparently not on the current CCCA accepted list.

 

Your 1931 LaSalle is a full Classic, as are all LaSalle 1927 into 1940.

[Willy]

22 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

Tightly in a two car garage. 

I have two four car garages, but my motorhome takes two spaces………

[maok]

 

I always thought this was standard all over the globe;

 

 up to 1918    Veteran

up to 1930    Vintage

up to 1949    Post Vintage

up to 1969    Classic

[vermontboy]

What happened to the "Milestone" designation ?? Haven't heard it used in a few years (maybe decades)

[31 LaSalle]

6 minutes ago, vermontboy said:

What happened to the "Milestone" designation ?? Haven't heard it used in a few years (maybe decades)

never heard that one what does it mean

[bryankazmer]

"Milestone" was an attempt to have a post-war version of "Full Classic" but has pretty much fallen into disuse.

[alsancle]

8 hours ago, maok said:

 

I always thought this was standard all over the globe;

 

 up to 1918    Veteran

up to 1930    Vintage

up to 1949    Post Vintage

up to 1969    Classic

 

The last one creates a crap storm every time it comes up.    Guys get their panties in a knot when they find out their car isn't on the CCCA list.   The good/bad new is that the CCCA is adding junk to the list constantly.

[John_S_in_Penna]

8 hours ago, maok said:

I always thought this was standard all over the globe;

 up to 1918    Veteran

up to 1930    Vintage

up to 1949    Post Vintage

up to 1969    Classic

They are used minimally, if at all, in the United States,

and most experienced car collectors here would not know

their demarcation dates or even the terms.  I think that

they are used in British territories.

[8E45E]

15 hours ago, Terry Bond said:

And in the UK you have Veteran, Vintage and Post Vintage. 

The individual states and specialty insurance companies also have defined the different categories and have even created new ones. 

There is also "Edwardian", which is 1904 & older.  

 

The Brighton Run is limited to 1904 & older.

 

Craig

[8E45E]

On 8/31/2022 at 2:19 AM, wayne sheldon said:

"Antique" is a tough one. There is no commonly accepted definition. For many years, many people said that something had to be a hundred years old to be considered an antique. For whatever strange reason I never did quite figure out? A lot of other people firmly believed that either 66 or 67 years was the "magic" number. A lot of other people liked a lot of other ideas.

Today, the 25 year rule is what many people consider antiques when discussing automobiles. Then again, a few people I know joke about an "antique is only something older than I am!"

"Senior Citizen" is also a tough one.  Some hotels, restaurants and other retail businesses say you are one at age 50, others, 55. My bank is age 60, and entitled to a 'seniors' discount'.  The government; 65.

 

Most states & provinces use the 25 year rule when it comes to issuing 'antique' or 'vintage' license plates, although I have heard its in the books that Wyoming wants to up the age limit to 40 years to qualify for them.  https://oilcity.news/wyoming/legislature/2020/12/29/wyoming-antique-vehicles-could-see-definition-change-and-new-annual-fees/

 

Craig

[nzcarnerd]

9 hours ago, 8E45E said:

There is also "Edwardian", which is 1904 & older.  

 

The Brighton Run is limited to 1904 & older.

 

Craig

Edwardian is for the 'later' early cars, ie those not eligible for the Brighton Run.

[Walt G]

I agree that the debate as to exactly what an 'antique' "classic" etc will forever be vague and no matter who says it someone will take offense as it doesn't match their own standard of what it is.  What I never ever understood by the CCCA definition was a "FULL Classic" - as opposed to what ? a half full ( 50%) classic? what is a 66% classic a Classic plus or minus?  Lexicon is invented to please, puff up, make important, etc everyday.

There are lots of names that are popular and the word is taken out of context . Popular now is iconic, team, trendy. SO if you are of the mindset who wants to be on top of all of this and admired add the words I just typed to full classic and you will be happy.

[nzcarnerd]

9 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

They are used minimally, if at all, in the United States,

and most experienced car collectors here would not know

their demarcation dates or even the terms.  I think that

they are used in British territories.

When the New Zealand Vintage car Club was established in 1946 - by a group of university students, one of whom is still with us - the original cut-off date was the end of the Model T but it was later changed to 31 December 1931 - coincidentally about the end of the Model A. For a long time the club refused to accept any newer cars but then as time went by the Post Vintage class for pre WW2 cars was established. In a similar manner to the AACE the NZVCC now has a 30 year rule.  There have always been arguments with 'stick-in-the-muds' arguing that there have not been anything with preserving after this or that date. 

 

As far as registration for road use is concerned once a vehicle reaches 40 years it is eligible for reduced licencing fees and also does not need to be 'continuously registered'.

[wayne sheldon]

2 hours ago, Walt G said:

I agree that the debate as to exactly what an 'antique' "classic" etc will forever be vague and no matter who says it someone will take offense as it doesn't match their own standard of what it is.  What I never ever understood by the CCCA definition was a "FULL Classic" - as opposed to what ? a half full ( 50%) classic? what is a 66% classic a Classic plus or minus?  Lexicon is invented to please, puff up, make important, etc everyday.

There are lots of names that are popular and the word is taken out of context . Popular now is iconic, team, trendy. SO if you are of the mindset who wants to be on top of all of this and admired add the words I just typed to full classic and you will be happy.

 

I was born cynical, opinionated, and outspoken. Fifty plus years ago, I too was a member of the CCCA. I read all the rules, and the debates surrounding them. I, then, felt that the CCCA had made a poor choice in using the word "classic" the way they did. At that time, they were trying to fight other people's use of the word to describe or classify their Thunderbirds and tri-fife Chevrolets. They were trying to keep the Sports Car Club of America from using the word! My feeling at the time, was that the word "classic" was too generic. It was used to describe a genre of music (my favorite kinds of music then and now!). It was commonly used in the theatre and art worlds. And it had been used to describe various types of automobiles for more than a decade before the CCCA was founded. Capitalizing the "C" is a patch that doesn't really work well.

I may no longer be a member, due to necessary choices I had to make. But the fact is I like and respect the CCCA very much! I like what they represent. Frankly, I am of the opinion that they have watered down and expanded their definition too much already! But I still think they could have found a more appropriate word.

[SC38dls]

My car is a 38 Studebaker it’s 84 years old! It’s not a classic it’s a driver. That’s what it was made for so that’s what I will do. It is also a Treasure to me! 
dave s 

[1937hd45]

The answers depend on your age, when you entered the "Old Car" hobby, your ability to deal with or tolerate change. Some clubs and events have cutoff years for membership or show display. If the cutoff date is 1990 and you show up with a with a week old car complete with the window sticker how would you deal with the entry rejection?

[keithb7]

There probably is a real answer to the original question. For fun, I'll give my opinion.

 

To me classic cars include the era of lots of chrome and power.  When the V8's became mainstream for pretty-well most all manufactures. Wings were there too in my definition of a classic car.

I'm going with 1953 or so right up to and including the muscle car era.

 

Horseless Carriage. Quadracycle up to about the Model T inception. 

Brass era, ending about the mid-19 teens? Gas lights and marker lamps.

Antique for me is about 1916 to 1933. 

Vintage 1933 to 1952 Glen Miller Bid band era. 

Classic Car 25 years and older, as far back as mid-50's. 

 

This is just my feeling on it. Your milage may vary depending on the era you grew up in of course. 

I had fun coming up with my list.

 

Keith

[8E45E]

7 hours ago, keithb7 said:

Horseless Carriage. Quadracycle up to about the Model T inception. 

Brass era, ending about the mid-19 teens? Gas lights and marker lamps.

Antique for me is about 1916 to 1933. 

Vintage 1933 to 1952 Glen Miller Bid band era. 

Classic Car 25 years and older, as far back as mid-50's. 

The most obvious and easiest to define from the above list would be 'Horseless Carriage' because they truly looked like horsedrawn carriage.   The terms, 'Surrey' and 'Stanhope' still stuck with carriage design whether it was horsedrawn or self-propelled.  Only when the engine was moved to the front did an automobile no longer appear like a 'horseless carriage'.

 

The early Locomobiles even had the two holes in the corners of the dash which a horsedrawn carriage would have had for the reins to come through.

 

Craig

Edited September 2, 2022 by 8E45E (see edit history)

[John_S_in_Penna]

1 minute ago, 8E45E said:

The early Locomobiles even had the two holes in the corners of the dash which a horsedrawn carriage would have had for the reins to come through.

Interesting!

According to an old account (by the nephew of the original owner),

an 1890's Benz car in the family had a socket in the dashboard

designed to hold a whip.

[8E45E]

Perhaps 'self-propelled' being a new concept with unknown reliability and poor roads at the time, provisions for the vehicle to be pulled by a horse were still in place should it break down or get stuck.  After all, how many photos have all we seen of horses pulling stuck vehicles out of mud or a ditch?

 

Craig

Edited September 2, 2022 by 8E45E (see edit history)

[intimeold]

Great descriptions, of antique and Classic; as it applies to automobiles, from the above posters.  Especially the term classic.

 

Here is what can happen when a Department of Transportation office, gets involved.  Pennsylvania DOT adopted a new license plate several years ago; and the named it "Classic"

 

From Penn Dot:

    FACT SHEET June 2019 - over - Antique, Classic Vehicles and Vintage Registration Plates PURPOSE This fact sheet outlines the policy for issuance of antique, classic and vintage registration plates. DEFINITION OF ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC MOTOR VEHICLES AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES Antique Motor Vehicle - A motor vehicle, but not a reproduction thereof, manufactured more than 25 years prior to the current year which has been maintained in or restored to a condition which is substantially in conformance with manufacturer specifications. Classic Motor Vehicle - A motor vehicle, but not a reproduction thereof, manufactured at least 15 years prior to the current year which has been maintained in or restored to a condition which is substantially in conformity with manufacturer specifications and appearance

 

Pay attention to their description of Classic.

 

We had a guy that inherited a boat-tail Buick Rivera.  Oh a very nice car; and his first entry into the collectable automobile world. I know  for a fact, the he told me, that the Club should have a special class of trophies for Classic cars. And of course PA determined his car was a classic.   He is probably not the only car owner who thought that. 

 

A good example of DOT not doing their homework.

 

intimeold

 

 

Edited September 3, 2022 by intimeold (see edit history)

[Pilgrim65]

On 9/1/2022 at 12:43 PM, John_S_in_Penna said:

They are used minimally, if at all, in the United States,

and most experienced car collectors here would not know

their demarcation dates or even the terms.  I think that

they are used in British territories.

I’m British and often noticed veteran car runs as opposed to classic car rally etc , never seen a post vintage event advertised yet, but now I know will take notice .

one negative aspect to demarcation dates is my 1972 triumph stag is not considered a classic car  ☹️

thanks for information anyway😊

Edited September 2, 2022 by Pilgrim65 (see edit history)

[8E45E]

7 minutes ago, intimeold said:

Great descriptions, of antique and Classic; as it applies to automobiles, from the above posters.  Especially the term classic.

 

Here is what can happen when a Department of Transportation office, gets involved.  Pennsylvania DOT adopted a new license plate several years ago; and the named it "Classic"

 

    FACT SHEET June 2019 - over - Antique, Classic Vehicles and Vintage Registration Plates PURPOSE This fact sheet outlines the policy for issuance of antique, classic and vintage registration plates. DEFINITION OF ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC MOTOR VEHICLES AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES Antique Motor Vehicle - A motor vehicle, but not a reproduction thereof, manufactured more than 25 years prior to the current year which has been maintained in or restored to a condition which is substantially in conformance with manufacturer specifications. Classic Motor Vehicle - A motor vehicle, but not a reproduction thereof, manufactured at least 15 years prior to the current year which has been maintained in or restored to a condition which is substantially in conformity with manufacturer specifications and appearance

 

Pay attention to their description of Classic.

 

We had a guy that inherited a boat-tail Buick Rivera.  Oh a very nice car; and his first entry into the collectable automobile world. I know  for a fact, the he told me, that the Club should have a special class of trophies for Classic cars. And of course PA determined his car was a classic.   He is probably not the only car owner who thought that. 

 

A good example of DOT not doing their homework.

Here, that also applies to 18-wheelers that are 25 years of age & older.  One can register a 1995 Kenworth W900 as an 'Antique Auto' with the appropriate plates for it.  

 

Craig