Period images to relieve some of the stress

[twin6]

[John_Mereness]

4 hours ago, George Cole said:

Interesting that the spare wheel-tire is carried on a roof rack.  Never seen that before with a vintage car.

Occassionally seen in European cars, but I think on this car it just proved convenient as it should be strapped down in some way or another regardless of where mounted. 

[John_Mereness]

13 minutes ago, twin6 said:

 

 

[LCK81403]

John, this resembles the 1927 Kissel that is accredited to Jack Dempsey, illustrated in Floyd Clymer's Scrapbook, Number 8, page 215.

[LCK81403]

I have owned Model-T Fords.  This is a scary photo.  "Four wheels, No brakes" is an old adage that describes the Ford T.  The brake band in the transmission is definitely a poor second to 2-wheel and 4-wheel brakes.  In the case of what this Model-T is doing, perhaps a "Perfect Drop Brake" in the front may be called for.  It's a bargain at only $4.00.

[Terry Harper]

33 minutes ago, LCK81403 said:

I have owned Model-T Fords.  This is a scary photo.  "Four wheels, No brakes" is an old adage that describes the Ford T.  The brake band in the transmission is definitely a poor second to 2-wheel and 4-wheel brakes.  In the case of what this Model-T is doing, perhaps a "Perfect Drop Brake" in the front may be called for.  It's a bargain at only $4.00.

 

Reminds of the time I was in a mine shaft in Nova Scotia - I noticed on the "man rake" (a cable hauled tram) that took us back to the surface via an inclined tunnel, (3,445 feet long at a 20.25% grade) that the last car was covered over and that connected to it by a single link was a steel bull pin with the pointy end thumping along the ties behind it. I discovered the last car was full of lead with the idea that if things started to go backwards in a hurry the weight of that car combined with the other cars would optimistically jam the bull pin in between the ties and stop the whole rig from making a messy crater 600 some-odd feet down in the shaft. Needless to say I was not too optimistic about it as that light at the bottom grew small and smaller........

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Terry Harper (see edit history)

[twin6]

No hill too steep for a T.

[twin6]

[LCK81403]

This appears to be a 1911 Speedwell Model 11-H Semi-racing Roadster.  The attached B&W illustration is from The Automobile, October 20, 1910, pages 659-663.  An article titled "1911 Speedwell Automobiles" provides details about the 1911 models.  The 11-H semi-racer was priced at $2,700.  Using an on-line inflation calculator, $2,700 in 1911 equates to $73,268.62 in year 2020 dollars.

 

In case anyone is interested, the 1911 Speedwell article is in a google book, URL:  https://books.google.com/books?id=p8sqAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA948&dq=kissel&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj767HY6efmAhXMGs0KHeqPApQQ6AEwBHoECAEQAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

[34LaSalleClubSedan]

On 8/8/2020 at 3:21 PM, John_Mereness said:

LaSalle 

Yes LaSalle, year is1934

It was the picture of a gal at a gas station a few pages back.

Edited August 11, 2020 by 34LaSalleClubSedan (see edit history)

[twin6]

Fun in Underslungs.

[Lebowski]

This is from an old thread on this site posted by "Grandpa" in 2008 which hopefully hasn't been added to this thread yet....

 

"Pictured is a 1933 Duesenberg Model J Judkins Berline, one of two made of this body type. This car was purchased new by Frank Yount at the 1933 Chicago Auto Show for his wife Pansy. She donated the car to a WWII scrap drive in the area of Lexington, KY. The car is pictured at the scarp yard with the tires removed for a more accurate weight. The J-xxx number of the car is not known. No identifiable parts of the car have been found.

If any forum readers have information or other photos of this car, please post them. I will pass the information on the Duesenberg historian Randy Ema.

If only I had a time machine.

Grandpa"

 

 

[cessna195]

This photo was taken in 1954. It is a photo of Bill Gent and his 1909 Stoddard Dayton 9K roadster. Mr. Gent was a friend of my father Plez Nance of San Diego. Mr. Gent help my father when my father was restoring his 1910 Stoddard Dayton Model 10K. I think this car is the same car that was owned by Joel Finn and acquired after Mr. Gents passing and is now in the Museum in Maine. At the time Mr. Gent had not completed the restoration of the car.

 

John

 

[LCK81403]

After studying this photo for some time, it is possible / probable that this was photoshopped.  Back in the 1950s stunt drivers at county and state fairs would jump cars from one ramp to another.  The cars in those days had V-8 engines providing way more power and vehicle speed (velocity) than would be possible with the car in the photo.  Jumping / airborne cars lose velocity quickly resulting in the front end, with the heavy engine, dropping nose down.  One of the major dangers of ramp jumping cars was loss of speed / velocity at the launch ramp and that could and sometimes did result in the car impacting the receiving ramp.  Bad physical injuries and even death could result from ramp jumping.  Considering that the old car jumping in this photo has wood spoke wheels, plate glass windshield, and a wood frame body, it is difficult to believe this is real.  Seeing the distance the car has traveled from the take off dirt bank, logically the car should be nose down perhaps 20 or 30 degrees.  The car's probable flight path through the air suggests that it may well land on its nose if not on its top side.  The wood spoke wheels on the car should be turning very fast, yet it appears that they are not since the apparently stationary spokes on the rear wheel can be counted.  The image clarity of the supposedly moving car appears to be much better than the clarity of stationary objects.

 

 

[Ozstatman]

Photoshopped or not, unless he kicks in the JATO bottles, the trajectory he's on looks very perilous.😉

[wayne sheldon]

That "picture" has been discussed numerous times on many forums. The car has been superimposed photographically jumping over several things, including whole small towns. It was a popular "real"photo post card way back when, and has been altered and reused several times. Such post cards were quite popular back in the day. Photographically superimposed images offered post cards with street cars in towns that never had them, airplanes where they had never flown, the biggest fish you ever saw, and literally many dozens of other things. Traveling photographers offered such images altered to fit many small towns. 

When better versions of this image are enlarged, one can see some background through the spokes of the wheel. The rest of the car was carefully cut around to place onto other backgrounds, but what was behind the wheels remained.

 

Interesting to note. There were several traveling stunt shows that did actually jump automobiles in the early days. Such jumps (not as extreme as this one obviously!) were also done for Hollywood films, several scenes are considered famous in film history (usually the car was destroyed, stunt men in those days were NUTS!).

One of the most famous automobile jump traveling shows was in Australia if I recall correctly. Along about the early '10s, they jumped a one cylinder Cadillac believe it or not. I unfortunately lost the link to the story, but it really deserves a thread all its own. (My google skills stink!)

[8E45E]

11 hours ago, cessna195 said:

This photo was taken in 1954. It is a photo of Bill Gent and his 1909 Stoddard Dayton 9K roadster. Mr. Gent was a friend of my father Plez Nance of San Diego. Mr. Gent help my father when my father was restoring his 1910 Stoddard Dayton Model 10K. I think this car is the same car that was owned by Joel Finn and acquired after Mr. Gents passing and is now in the Museum in Maine. At the time Mr. Gent had not completed the restoration of the car.

 

John

 

 

Similar to the car in the Indy Museum:  https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/stove-huggers-the-non-studebaker-forum/50341-orphan-of-the-day-02-28-1911-stoddard-dayton?49130-Orphan-of-the-Day-02-28-1911-Stoddard-Dayton=

 

Craig

[Walt G]

A couple more to keep the flow going. Thanks everyone!

Walt

[alsancle]

26 minutes ago, Walt G said:

A couple more to keep the flow going. Thanks everyone!

Walt

 

I always liked those Brunn bodied victoria Lincolns.   There seem to be a few of them still around,  wondering how many were originally made?

 

 

 

[twin6]

More Stoddard Daytons.  William Jennings Bryan in one, kids in the other.

[1937hd45]

[Walt G]

Great Bob, thanks for that! Now we know what to expect at the Amusement park at Hershey for 2021 ! Way Cool. And the upside down part for a few seconds may shake loose some extra $ out of the pockets of the guys that are "thrifty" ( using formal proper description here so it won't get edited out) when it comes to paying for something that if it's worth $3.00 they will peer down their nose at you and state "give ya $1.38'

I only learned recently that they all work for a place named the Can-ya-dobedda Co. which is a division of Woodjoo Takeless Company. I wonder if anyone reading this has encountered those generous types?????.................

[twin6]

[twin6]

[Walt G]

Lincoln 1927 - from the Paris Salon souvenir program /catalog for October 1927.  A model L, "cabriolet" ( ie town car) with coachwork by Million Guiet.

Lincoln automobiles were fairly prolific in England and Europe compared to most makes of American manufacture. Lincoln produced sales catalogs for the European market

the one they did for the 1931 K series was a grand effort, wire spiral bound and cardboard covers with heavy stock pages. Nothing like anything ever produced in the USA.

There was a similar one for 1932 as well.

Other makes were WIllys Knight, Overland, Stearns Knight - plus a significant number of other  makes that saw some sales in Europe and England were Ford, Hudson, Buick , Studebaker Stutz , Franklin .

Motor Shows and Salons pre WWII era in Europe were held in London, Paris, Berlin and Brussels with smaller shows also held in other locations. I have a fairly complete run of most of those show souvenir programs (that are an inch thick ! ) It is so interesting to see where the showrooms were located and what makes were  near each other. This is a part of the American motor car scene that is rarely discussed or has photographs shown , or even advertisements like seen here. It is a major significant story that needs to be told....................

Edited August 13, 2020 by Walt G (see edit history)

[58L-Y8]

Walt, Your choice of selections from those European documents that illustrate the custom-bodied offering by all the American makes would be of interest.

 

 Million Guiet had that unusual method of modular body construction.  They also produced some of the most modern, striking custom bodies, wonder who their designer was?

Edited August 13, 2020 by 58L-Y8
Million Guiet (see edit history)

[LCK81403]

Regarding a photo of a 1908 White automobile.  The passenger at right-rear appears to be Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt.  The presidential election of 1908 brought in Republican president William Howard Taft, who defeated Democrat William Jennings Bryan.  Roosevelt chose not to seek a third term and stepped aside for his friend Taft.  Mr. Roosevelt wore Pince-nez eye wear, which was popular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.  That type of eye wear pinched the bridge of the nose.  Roosevelt's Pince-nez had a support and safety cord attached on the right side; the glasses could be easily removed and left to dangle or safely be slid into a pocket.  The eye glass cord can be seen in the 1908 photo.

[Walt G]

Roosevelt's home - Sagamore Hill is about a 40 minute ride NE of my house. Great place to visit, maintained by the federal government and for several years the local HCCA region then the local CCCA region had a pre war car show there once a year. It got to be the only pre WWII era car show on long island and then the CCCA region let thnigs slide because they didn't want to exclude any other car owner and post war cars were allowed to participate and the show went down hill as the pre war guys felt that there were enough shows around to cater to all car owners . At one time there were 60+ pre war cars at that show every year. Oh Well.

 

The Roosevelt home ,Sagamore Hill, in Oyster Bay , NY  is a great treat to visit and walk through - it is a time capsule of when he lived there.

[PFitz]

Agree Sagamore Hill is a wonderful look back in time. It's sad that the pre war car show is no longer, what with so many unique early cars on Long Island. Not many early cars coming out to shows. I've seen far more in this thread than all the shows in the past 40 years. 

 

Thanks again for starting it, Walt. 

 

Paul 

Edited August 13, 2020 by PFitz (see edit history)

[Tph479]

[58L-Y8]

Johnnyrock70 posted this in the 'What is it?' topic under the Photos and Video.  I'm stumped... 

[Walt G]

17 hours ago, PFitz said:

Agree Sagamore Hill is a wonderful look back in time. It's sad that the pre war car show is no longer, what with so many unique early cars on Long Island. Not many early cars coming out to shows. I've seen far more in this thread than all the shows in the past 40 years. 

 

Thanks again for starting it, Walt. 

 

Paul 

Paul, it is my pleasure to get this thread started and focus on the pre WWII era cars.  There are many AACA and other club members who have not had an experience with a 80+ year old car/vehicle. Not even to sit on a running board nor a ride around the block in one. It is something everyone should have the pleasure of doing.  These early photographs I hope draw you back to an era when they were new and automotive technology was  not available at the press of a button. I hope it has brought more of an appreciation of what "was then" that was developed by the use of a pencil, eraser, and a slide rule to calculate figures!  Plus the styling that was just so creative and again not decided upon by a machine but a creative mind. IT IS ALL FUN, makes us happy to see other people who are squirrels like us supporting this particular thread. It is also a history lesson as some viewers have mentioned - look at the clothes, hair styles, style of architecture, signs , etc. History frozen in time in b & w.  It is the sharing of memories. Some of us were fortunate enough to be able to talk to the pioneers that were involved in the creation of these cars. My own strong interest in the design and creation of the coachwork saw me in my teens and early 20s not attending sports activities like most people my age but in contact many times in person with people Like Rudy Creteur of Rollston, Tom Hibbard of LeBaron, Enos Derham and the Chief Engineers of the Franklin Company - this information they shared with  me in conversations and the photos etc they shared should not just remain in my archives - it needs to be out there for all of you to enjoy. That is what all of these great period photographs are doing for us. Those of you who can put pen to paper and can write down the memories of that era that you have discovered need to do so, you do not have to be a "seasoned author of repute  " to record history. I am also the local historian for the village I reside in and take great joy in hearing the history told to me by long time residents. It is all good folks.

Walt

[1937hd45]

My grandfather on my moms side was the gardener, groundskeeper on an Oyster Bay estate. One day he could hear someone approaching on horseback as he worked near the road. The rider stopped and  admired his work, commented on how nice it looked, it was Teddy Roosevelt out for a morning ride. Bob

[twin6]

[Casper Friederich]

Haven't been posting here so much lately, as I am planning the funeral of a quite close relative.

One of the first persons to be buried at the 1829 inaguarated main cemetary here in Helsinki was Countess Natalia Steinheil, born von Engelhardt.

Walking up the road to the cementary's main entrance I sometimes have imagined  Baron Vladimir Steinheil from Moscow visiting his relatives' tombs in Finland just before WWI, his magnificent 60 hp Gräf-Stift with Armbruster coachwork parked outside  the wall. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Casper Friederich (see edit history)

[Colin Spong]

Original Caption. Havana, Cuba -Havana Plaza, Grand buildings around a formal garden at the piazza in Havana, Cuba. March 1939

The 1937 Lincoln-Zephyr in the foreground  looks as if it has had a hard life, perhaps as a taxi. The rear skirts are missing and the door check strap is broken. 

[twin6]

Gussied up Jordan, 1930.

[58L-Y8]

1 hour ago, twin6 said:

Gussied up Jordan, 1930.

Way more than that, an advanced design of unknown origin, the Jordan Speedway Model Z Sportsman sedan, twelve built, no survivors.  Compare all the design feature on this Jordan and its 1930 contemporaries: full-length, over-the-cowl hood; long horizontal hood doors, free-stand fenders with lowered ends on the front, slanted windshield, and the major one, an integrated trunk 3-box configuration sedan before the 1931 Packard 845 Dietrich Newport sport sedans and the REO Royale 8-48 sport sedan.  The last feature may not seem significant now but consider this car had it eight years before the 1938 Cadillac 60 Special made it a production configuration and fully a decade before the 1940 GM C-Bodies the 60 Special inspired.  I'll go out on a historian's narrow branch and opine this design was free-lance work of either Count de Sakhnoffsky or Ray Dietrich.  It is that advanced.

Edited August 15, 2020 by 58L-Y8
Design critique and comparison (see edit history)

[twin6]

[John_Mereness]

1 hour ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Way more than that, an advanced design of unknown origin, the Jordan Speedway Model Z Sportsman sedan, twelve built, no survivors.  Compare all the design feature on this Jordan and its 1930 contemporaries: full-length, over-the-cowl hood; long horizontal hood doors, free-stand fenders with lowered ends on the front, slanted windshield, and the major one, an integrated trunk 3-box configuration sedan before the 1931 Packard 845 Dietrich Newport sport sedans and the REO Royale 8-48 sport sedan.  The last feature may not seem significant now but consider this car had it eight years before the 1938 Cadillac 60 Special made it a production configuration and fully a decade before the 1940 GM C-Bodies the 60 Special inspired.  I'll go out on a historian's narrow branch and opine this design was free-lance work of either Count de Sakhnoffsky or Ray Dietrich.  It is that advanced.

The only fault is that they should have done something design wise to better match the front door lower corner to the back door and/or to the hood slope line