Period images to relieve some of the stress

[1937hd45]

!phone geek of the day.

 

[1937hd45]

Rare to see a 1913 Model T Ford with the signature square corner door. Bob 

[twin6]

1930 Packard 745 convertible victoria, Waterhouse body, taken to auto show in Paris.

[34LaSalleClubSedan]

1 minute ago, twin6 said:

1930 Packard 745 convertible victoria, Waterhouse body, taken to auto show in Paris.

 

Love cars without Sidemounts & plus they have a rear spare or dual rears

[1937hd45]

2 hours ago, 34LaSalleClubSedan said:

 

Love cars without Sidemounts & plus they have a rear spare or dual rears

I'll second that, no whitewalls to bother maintaining either. Bob 

[bryankazmer]

lotsa fun to get into the trunk, though

[30DodgePanel]

Sorry if Keiser or one of my other Dodge Brethren has posted this before..

 

No 4  Symbolic for tonight 

 

Classic Americana pride. 

 

[Walt G]

I wonder how the weight of the two tires affected the steering going around a corner and also the traction for the rear tires? did the tires break loose at all if the speed was up and the corner fairly sharp?

This did happen to the Pierce 66 runabout that Austin Clark had that was ordered new by a lady named Pansy Griscom. I would go out with Austin in that Pierce 66 and if he took a corner at a fairly moderate speed the three spare tires at the back ( just on rims no wheel in the center) with the lack of coach work in any quantity would break the tires loose and we would slide the rear of the car around a corner. Most of the time he accelerated going around the corner to get that affect and if it was on a dirt road near his auto museum the experience was great but also required some intake of adult beverage brewed in Scotland to calm ones nerves.

[twin6]

Packard 343 club sedan, with a few accessories.  The gizmo up near the cowl vent has me perplexed.

[John_Mereness]

10 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I'll second that, no whitewalls to bother maintaining either. Bob 

Unfortunately, a blackwall is not all that different from a whitewall - it "oxidizes" or whatever you want to call it  and you must keep up on it via scrubbing (I use a soft wire toothbrush(s) generally).  And, for really high point cars you need to clean all the tread too. 

[wayne sheldon]

4 hours ago, twin6 said:

Packard 343 club sedan, with a few accessories.  The gizmo up near the cowl vent has me perplexed.

 

 

 

I cannot be certain. I zoomed in as best the image quality would allow, but the detail wasn't quite good enough. I suspect it may be an accessory lamp to light up the Boyce Motometer. I think they were made by Boyce, however it has been about ten years since I saw an advertisement for them. They were to be mounted on top of the cowl, ahead of the windshield. Wiring was simple, just a couple small holes in the dash and cowl for switch and mounting. Wire connected to a hot or lamp switched connector behind the automobile's dash. The lamp had a focused beam that was to be aimed forward to light up the Motometer. Some of them had small red and green "jewels" in the sides.

I have only actually seen a couple of them in fifty years, and only a few times seen copies of magazine advertisements for them.

 

Interesting Packard! I don't care for the color scheme myself, and frankly prefer the subtle dignity of Packards and other cars of the era. Too much added "stuff" for my taste. Any history on the picture? When it was taken?

[34LaSalleClubSedan]

9 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:

 

 

 

I cannot be certain. I zoomed in as best the image quality would allow, but the detail wasn't quite good enough. I suspect it may be an accessory lamp to light up the Boyce Motometer. I think they were made by Boyce, however it has been about ten years since I saw an advertisement for them. They were to be mounted on top of the cowl, ahead of the windshield. Wiring was simple, just a couple small holes in the dash and cowl for switch and mounting. Wire connected to a hot or lamp switched connector behind the automobile's dash. The lamp had a focused beam that was to be aimed forward to light up the Motometer. Some of them had small red and green "jewels" in the sides.

I have only actually seen a couple of them in fifty years, and only a few times seen copies of magazine advertisements for them.

 

Interesting Packard! I don't care for the color scheme myself, and frankly prefer the subtle dignity of Packards and other cars of the era. Too much added "stuff" for my taste. Any history on the picture? When it was taken?

 

Yes Wayne, you are correct. It is a Motometer light to light up the motometer. Also has the boat colored lights on each side.  I too think it was made by Boyce. Must be mounted on the fresh air pop up vent on this one. I had a NOS one when I collecting all sorts of neat teens and 20's accessories.  Jim Fredrick

[John_Mereness]

19 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:

 

 

 

I cannot be certain. I zoomed in as best the image quality would allow, but the detail wasn't quite good enough. I suspect it may be an accessory lamp to light up the Boyce Motometer. I think they were made by Boyce, however it has been about ten years since I saw an advertisement for them. They were to be mounted on top of the cowl, ahead of the windshield. Wiring was simple, just a couple small holes in the dash and cowl for switch and mounting. Wire connected to a hot or lamp switched connector behind the automobile's dash. The lamp had a focused beam that was to be aimed forward to light up the Motometer. Some of them had small red and green "jewels" in the sides.

I have only actually seen a couple of them in fifty years, and only a few times seen copies of magazine advertisements for them.

 

Interesting Packard! I don't care for the color scheme myself, and frankly prefer the subtle dignity of Packards and other cars of the era. Too much added "stuff" for my taste. Any history on the picture? When it was taken?

Yes, on the car's cowl is a Motometer light - and on radiator is a  standard Motometer (they made then though with a light on front of Motometer itself as an accessory) - the front face of Motometer is black with a Packard emblem on face visible from front of car and I have had a few dozen in my hands over years (though rarely pay attention to) and want to say the backside (side facing driver) is also black (white would be easier to see the fluid level though). 

[John_Mereness]

26 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:

Interesting Packard! I don't care for the color scheme myself, and frankly prefer the subtle dignity of Packards and other cars of the era. Too much added "stuff" for my taste. Any history on the picture? When it was taken?

The car also has an accessory bumper (perhaps Balcrank brand), accessory fender mirrors (official Packard accessory), horns, Goddess of Speed mascot, spotlights, step plates, and the disk wheels were probably an option or they just gave you a choice of wood or disk (you did not really see wire wheels until a few open cars in 26, then 27 was the wire wheel launch year, and 28 it became more mainstream). I would also tell you the car is dark maroon, blue, or green with perhaps tan trim (aka I do not think it is a black car).

[wayne sheldon]

Thank you john M for the additional details! I was really wondering about those mirrors. I knew that Packard offered quite a number of "official" accessories, including mirrors. I find it interesting that these would be a Packard offering. I have seen a few similar mirrors loose at swap meets (although some years back!). I like the bumpers on the car. The horns? Not so much. But that is me.

Again, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.

[John_Mereness]

11 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:

Thank you john M for the additional details! I was really wondering about those mirrors. I knew that Packard offered quite a number of "official" accessories, including mirrors. I find it interesting that these would be a Packard offering. I have seen a few similar mirrors loose at swap meets (although some years back!). I like the bumpers on the car. The horns? Not so much. But that is me.

Again, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.

As to the 27 (one year only) "factory" optional wire wheels - they are incredibly unique and they have the lock ring on the inside of the wheel and the exterior of rim thus looks to some degree like a drop center rim.

[twin6]

It's great to get input from others, as Walt points out, we are all learning and sharing.  I probably should have posted what was with the photo when I found it:  "John A. Malone, Milwaukee, Model 3-43 delivered 9/29/1926, mileage 69,496, motor has never been overhauled, note: special bumpers, running board step plates, dual spot lamps, dual rear view mirrors, Packard deluxe emblem, series of three horns mounted on headlamp cross bar, side glass ventilation panels."  It's a DPL image.

[alsancle]

21 hours ago, 34LaSalleClubSedan said:

 

Love cars without Sidemounts & plus they have a rear spare or dual rears

 

agreed.  But I think they didn't quite get the angle for the double rear spare right.    This SS Mercedes seems to flow better.

 

[LCK81403]

This Packard was delivered / delivery taken in 1926 and it already has more than 69,000 miles on the odometer.  That's a lot of driving.  I remember family cars being traded in for something new back in the 1950s once the odometer reached 60,000.  The worn front tires on the Packard need to be replaced.  With approximately 8000, maybe 9,000 miles expected for tires in that day, this used Packard was probably on it's eighths set of tires.  IMHO the cluster of horns does not look good on this car, and the bumper is unimaginative.  The '31 Lincoln K's front end with the second set of lights and a nice bumper does more to bling the front end than what is on the Packard.  The bumper alone on the '24 Kissel looks better than the Packard's round pipe.

[ericmac]

On 8/26/2020 at 1:43 PM, twin6 said:

I don't know what it is but I like the looks of it. Certainly it has spent a fair amount of time in the mud! Look under the front fender.

[30DodgePanel]

13 hours ago, twin6 said:

 

 

 

Does anyone recognize these step plates? I'm looking for manufacturer name. I believe they were produced by Illinois Quality Products.

[Colin Spong]

An elegant couple, formerly dressed in top hat and tails. leave the theatre while their chauffeur driven 1927 Model T Tudor awaits them.

We know that Ford was "The Universal Car" but is this taking things a little too far? From the British edition of the Ford Times. January 1927.

[Walt G]

Regarding the round tubular bumper on the Packard. With all the other accessories it is really hard to picture and possibly appreciate . hold your finger over the front of the car in the picture to block out the horns and just have the bumper and headlamps. Doesn't look bad.

Trying to compare that to a 1931 Lincoln - well you are looking at 5 years difference in styling, by 1931 the whole profile of cars were about 4 to 6 inches lower , conical shaped headlamps replaced drum lights. Rounded shape to the radiator shell of the Lincoln compared to the flat geometric shape of the Packard. Compare a 1926 Lincoln to the 1931 Lincoln - what do you see?

The bumpers on both the Lincoln and Kissel sit much lower then the tubular one on the Packard . That has a lot to do with the "look". Check the distance between the bottom of the headlamps and the top of the bumper on all the cars in question and the distance from the ground to the bottom of the bumper.  5 years makes a difference. Also the body on the Kissel is low in stance and open the body with no roof up  on the Packard is vertical and enclosed, all makes a large visual difference.

One has to put things in perspective styling wise, Think of a 1933 Graham - amazing styling totally beautiful car add 5 years 1938 - totally different looking car, also absolutely beautiful . Do that for a 1960 Lincoln  and the styling for a 1965 - more aspects of how changes were made have to be taken into consideration.
 

[John_Mereness]

19 hours ago, twin6 said:

It's great to get input from others, as Walt points out, we are all learning and sharing.  I probably should have posted what was with the photo when I found it:  "John A. Malone, Milwaukee, Model 3-43 delivered 9/29/1926, mileage 69,496, motor has never been overhauled, note: special bumpers, running board step plates, dual spot lamps, dual rear view mirrors, Packard deluxe emblem, series of three horns mounted on headlamp cross bar, side glass ventilation panels."  It's a DPL image.

Never seen anything like the "little horn" before  - I guess sit could be an optical illusion that the horn on the right looks larger, but wonder if right and left horn are same size, wonder if we have small/medium/large, and wonder what the tone of the small horn. 

[LCK81403]

The horns appear to be three different sizes.  The relative size / scale of the headlights appears to be virtually the same for the distance of separation.  The three horns are close together and their relative, apparent sizes are different.

[SC38DLS]

Those horns can probably play a tune in different notes. Lol

Edited August 28, 2020 by SC38DLS (see edit history)

[twin6]

Another gem from DPL:  "Packard 243, second series eight (produced 2/2/1925-8/1/1926), 8-cylinder, 85-horsepower, 143-inch wheelbase, 8-person faux cabriolet, by Van Den Plas, Brussels, for Max Sauvau. Grand prix winner Monte Carlo (March 1926), Nice & Cannes Concours d'Elegance."

Edited August 28, 2020 by twin6 (see edit history)

[Peter Gariepy]

Please see:

 

 

[1937hd45]

HOW DO I MAKE THE 3/4 SCREEN FULL SCREEN?

[Peter Gariepy]

1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said:

HOW DO I MAKE THE 3/4 SCREEN FULL SCREEN?

 

Please post tech questions in the right forum.

[dibarlaw]

Apparently 1937hd45 asked the right question in the right place.

 Thanks Peter.... Full Screen is back! Much nicer.

[John_Mereness]

12 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said:

 

Please post tech questions in the right forum.

Full screen is super nice over the partial - it would be nice to get full photos back too (or is it just duplicates that show up condensed - hate to say it, but have not looked at such in detail) - did notice it condensed 125 pages off. 

Edited August 29, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

Just now, John_Mereness said:

Full screen is super nice over the partial - it would be nice to get full photos back too (or is it just duplicates that show up condensed - hate to say it, but have not looked at such in detail) - did notice it condensed 125 pages off. 

Noticed the Page Total right away. Thank you to all the guys that took the time to post all these great photos. I personally enjoyed seeing them. Bob 

[John_Mereness]

1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said:

Noticed the Page Total right away. Thank you to all the guys that took the time to post all these great photos. I personally enjoyed seeing them. Bob 

Peter "Webmaster" enlarged the number of posts on a page from 28 I believe to 40 - he was just explaining elsewhere.  

[John_Mereness]

What is this ?

[Michigan Farmer]

This is how it was done in 1901.

[ericmac]

On 8/28/2020 at 9:24 AM, Colin Spong said:

An elegant couple, formerly dressed in top hat and tails. leave the theatre while their chauffeur driven 1927 Model T Tudor awaits them.

We know that Ford was "The Universal Car" but is this taking things a little too far? From the British edition of the Ford Times. January 1927.

Having driven a few of these...yes. yes it is!

[John_Mereness]

Two great photos from Allen Buchholz

 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history)

[edinmass]

NYC Auto Show, 1922.

Edited August 30, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history)

[DLynskey]

9 hours ago, John_Mereness said:

Two great photos from Allen Buchholz

 

On the left appears to be about a 1913 Oakland. There are a few differences from the 1913 model in this 1962 photo. Most noticeably the sidelights in the original photo are farther out than on the 1913, and the steering wheels are on different sides. Would the left hand steering mean the original car is a later model than 1913?

 

 

 

Don

 

 

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