Guest whistle Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1937 Buick Special. Original condition according to estate , low miles, will be sold on June 13th contact for details. no reserve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) A little more information would be very helpful. From your minimal description, it appears the car may be auctioned off, or is it for sale outright? If for sale, asking price? If auctioned, who, what, where? Is there a title? Is there any documentation, receipts, etc.? Why is there a gasket in the back seat? Head gasket? I'd be interested in the car, but give me a description and more sales information. Edited June 7, 2017 by George Smolinski (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Pretty nice looking model 47 Plain back. Radio delete. Looks to have the "Monster" Marvel Carb (not the BB1 as is on mine.) and heavy duty air cleaner. Rear plate indicates Kentucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Yes, more info and location would certainly help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 License plate says Kentucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 It does have the heater/defroster and Accessory wheel though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 hours ago, auburnseeker said: It does have the heater/defroster and Accessory wheel though. And a clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Phillips Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Looks like it spent its early life in Independence, Kansas. That's a small town in southeastern Kansas that in the early 20th century claimed to have more millionaires per capita than any other city in the U.S. I learned that from the retired postmaster of Independence, when I bought my very first antique Buick (a 1958 Limited) from him in 1977. This '37 is a HPOF or Archival class car if I ever saw one! Pete Phillips Leonard, Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whistle Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Hey fellas, sorry for the minimal info. I did not know if i would get the boot for this being an auction or not. Some groups frown on that. There is absentee bidding available on our website or you can bid live. kurtzauction.com click on home auctions. I will get answers to the head gasket question first thing in am the auction is in Maceo Ky. Mr. Roberts bought it from a man in Chicago that was having a hard financial time. It is my understanding that Mr. Roberts is 2nd owner you can contact me at 270-316-7425 IMG_7269.MOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Here's the auction link: https://www.kurtzauction.com/auctions/home-country-lot-antique-vehicles-vehicles-farm-mach-and-collectables 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whistle Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 my name is Amy Whistle, i am selling this car at live auction on June 13th in Maceo KY. Absentee bidding is available at the link provided above( thank you i couldnt get it to post) I will be glad to help with anything, This is an estate , so the man that has the answers regarding gasket has passed. I have the title with me, this is the first i have sold of this type so you all know way more than i what you need to know. Let me know how i can help and thank you all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY F Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Link will not work for me. it says error failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cxgvd Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just tried the George link above with good results. Try again. Regards, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Info from Trim Tag: Model 47 Style No. 37-4489 Body No. 17438 Trim No. 308 Paint No. 501 Can anyone help with decoding these? I'm curious if some of them match the car as shown such as paint & trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Engine sounds noisy as in rods, pistons, lifters noisy. That may explain the gasket box in the back seat. Anyone have an idea as to cost to rebuild one of these engines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 46 minutes ago, George Smolinski said: Info from Trim Tag: Model 47 Style No. 37-4489 Body No. 17438 Trim No. 308 Paint No. 501 Can anyone help with decoding these? I'm curious if some of them match the car as shown such as paint & trim. It is a Model 47, a Special Four Door Sedan-Plain Back. In the video when I pause it, I see the Style as 37-4409 and the Trim No as 300. The Fisher Style number for a Model 47 is 37-4409. Trim No. 300 is Tan Bedford Cord. Paint No. 501 is Chancellor Blue. The car appears to me to match the codes that I see in the video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937-44 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) Trim 308 is Grey Bedford Cord Paint 501 is Chancellor Blue Carl I must have been typing while Matthew was posting. I haven't watched the video but Matthew has sharp eyes so I assume he is correct and that the Trim is 300 which would be Tan Bedford Cord like Matthew said. Edited June 9, 2017 by 1937-44 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 hours ago, MCHinson said: It is a Model 47, a Special Four Door Sedan-Plain Back. In the video when I pause it, I see the Style as 37-4409 and the Trim No as 300. The Fisher Style number for a Model 47 is 37-4409. Trim No. 300 is Tan Bedford Cord. Paint No. 501 is Chancellor Blue. The car appears to me to match the codes that I see in the video. The 0's looked like 8's to me. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whistle Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I have photos of all of this I can post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 It would be good for you to post a clear direct photo of the firewall data tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Sold for $14,200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Seems kind of strong - good for seller. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Carl Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 My playing around with '37 Cadillacs and LaSalles leads me to believe a low miles rust free totally original Bu' like this , with that interior , chrome and paint which should clean up very well , is a very good purchase for the lucky guy who has seen more than enough shabby ones. I'll bet the smell alone of this one adds significant value. I kinda hope Greg went for it ! - Carl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now seeing this, guess I need to come up stairs more often. But you would have thunk someone here would have directed the gentleman to the Buick forum also, no? But I agree with Carl, for an original and potential archival class car like this, not a bad price. Hope to see it here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Anyone have an idea as to cost to rebuild one of these engines? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Define “rebuild.” I had a guy tear mine down and replace a piston for $1800. Some specialized restoration shops will charge $1000 per cylinder. Depends whether the parts are ok or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Well, the flat head 4cyl and 6cyl engines that I know- what I consider a normal rebuild would be, new pistons/rings main bearings, rod bearings, guides (if needed) hardened valves, seats and a new oil pump... As for the crankshaft, polish or go undersize if required, then reassemble with all new gaskets... If you want to do your own rebuild on the cheap, you could use a ridge reamer, then hone the cylinders and just get new oversize rings which you will need to file down to the corresponding gap to use with your old pistons. At least replace the rod bearings, then lap the valves, reassemble and hope for the best.. Done it a bunch of times on flathead motors.. I don't know how forgiving these Buick motors are, or what you can get away with, but the prices you're quoting would make it nearly impossible for anyone to get into these cars! It seems insane @$1000 per cylinder! Are engine parts for these cars really that expensive? I am in shock I must say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I did mine substantially cheaper - but I did most of the re-build myself. Farmed out the 030 over rebore, 010 under crank machining, and new guides and seats in the head, plus head assembly. I sourced my own parts, ran back and forth to the machine shop, etc. Enjoyed the process. Its been a few years, maybe $3000? Ok, round it up to $4000, as I have probably forgotten about the overruns. Sorry I can't be more accurate, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Hello Jeff, Thank you for sharing your experience here, it gives me some idea... Since it has been a while, I would not be surprised if it is in the 6K range doing most of the work yourself and chasing your own parts... Still a tidy sum! Any experience with the transmissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Much is going to depend on the condition of the bearings. 37 Buicks have poured rod and main bearings. If the engine needs new babbitt, it will raise the cost of rebuilding considerably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37buick Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Well , i agree with Steve Mack. High priced, specially if the engine was noise . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37buick Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 $ 1000.00 per cyl ? Come on now .... Are they mechanics or Doctors ? This is a pretty much modern engine ! We are not talking about a 1906 Maxwell !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Still can't believe the figures for a rebuild! Parts and labor... You're better of buying a parts car with a good motor if you can find it.. Are we talking about taking your car to an "specialist" at that price? Or, I still have to chase another shop to drop the engine in afterwards/tidy things up? Who works on these cars (Aside from us in our garage) at a reasonable rate? I understood you could retrofit modern bearing inserts (main/rod) to these engines... Am I mistaken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Sure can - I put 1950 rods in mine. Turned the crank journals down by 010 at a machine shop, and bought 010 under bearing inserts. Be careful to cross-check compatibility using Hollander's interchange manual. I think, post-war up to about '52 will work, but don't take my word for it. I also used 1950 style pistons, .030 over, from Egge. (along with the appropriate rings). You always have to check the 0.010 end gap clearance, and file to fit. I do have some left-over babbitted rods - if you are interested. The old technique was to remove shims to get the appropriate clearance as the Babbitt wore down. You can pretty much see by inspection how much is left, and if they are useable. Of course, even if it looks good, it is still old. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Thanks Jeff for the additional information... What are the design benefits of the 1950 rods? I am not there yet. Trying to figure things out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1939_Buick Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, philipj said: What are the design benefits of the 1950 rods? Had insert bearings from new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 $8000 for 8 cylinders is about typical these days I think for anything unusual. Parts are really expensive. Crank and cam are probably too long for the local machine shop's machinery, shipping of heavy parts, etc, etc. Pistons will probably be available off the shelf for this at least, but you still might be better off with custom ones. Start pricing the parts online and add it all up, it gets expensive in a hurry. You'll see. Additionally you will likely need belts, hoses, fuel pump diaphragm, water pump rebuild or kit, generator brushes and bearings, starter brushes and bushings, motor mounts, trans mounts, probably a clutch disc, maybe a whole clutch, flywheel resurfacing, radiator boil out, carb kit, plug wires, cap-rotor-points...... This is on top of the rebuild cost. It also assumes you are doing it all yourself. Add labor if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think I get the picture loud and clear... Thank you for sharing your insight here. The moral of the story is do your homework and choose wisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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