Gary W

1937 Buick Model 48: RESTORATION HAS BEGUN! (Photo)

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Maybe someone can help me here. We are missing the documentation on the wiper transmission reassembly.

Does anyone have a sample they can check for me?

Is the Passenger or Drivers side correct inside the purple box.. ?

Any help appreciated.

It also seems the two wiper blade connections are different.

Does it matter? 

In case you were wondering, the chrome work was done by Paul's Chrome. These guys never cease to bring tears of joy to my eyes when I open a package from them. :)

Thanks!

P.

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Gary

Have you had any contact with LeBaron Bonney lately? I was told over two weeks ago my headliner would be shipped and they were to give me update on remainder of the interior kit. I was going to call today but was curious about your delay which is much longer than mine. Any word about any financial issues? My last contact with sales rep said he would check with shop and let me know status for both headliner and interior. I have not been told any issues with fabric supply or any reason for delay. My order is for my 36 special and the fabric ordered is not the same as yours. Hopefully no real issues but don't have understanding of what delay could be and certainly not good business model.

Rod

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Thursday June 21, 2018: Update from LeBaron Bonney:

 

I literally just got off the phone with Mr. David Costello at LeBaron Bonney.  They are STILL waiting for SMS Auto Fabrics to deliver the 2N Brown Bedford Cord, and quite frankly, he wasn't so enthusiastic that it will be delivered any time soon.

 

So........

I asked him to please send me other fabric choices that are the same color, but maybe not the exact "cord" fabric.  (Like a broadcloth......)  He thought that was a great idea and is getting them in the mail to me today. 

***** (I also think it's a great idea, and have to thank Matt Hinson for that.  His kit was delivered and some of his fabrics do look like they will work in my car.) *****

Once I make the new choice, my kit is only a week away.

 

As much as I hate to deviate from my original choice, I need to finish this restoration and get driving.  Hopefully the colors will still blend and match and look nice so  the end result will be acceptable and look correct.  I'll match up the new samples to the headliner, the armrests and the woodgrained parts to be sure it will all flow nicely.  At this point, I really don't see another viable option.  

 

(I'm sure as soon as I get the kit installed, the 2N Brown Bedford Cord will arrive.......... Murphy's Law!)

 

I'll keep you posted as things develop and again, thanks for following along and being so patient as I work through the final hurdle.

 

Have a wonderful day out there!

 

Gary

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I talked with David just now and advised that the only fabric not in stock when ordered was trunk liner which we agreed should not hold up production. He is to have Carla, a manager, to check tomorrow and give me call. I had asked that headliner be expedited and David stated he didn't know why not completed. He also said that altho not right seems as if he who yells loudest, calls the most, seems to get moved up in production line. I advised that I could call every day if that would do any good. He blames it on slow production which i found interesting. I at least can understand delay if they don't have fabric but the inability to explain when apparently the fabric on premises is baffling. David and I have had issues and perhaps that is contributing to the delay. Hope you have better luck in working with them. I too will let you know what their response is.

Rod

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Hi Rod,

I hope your kit arrives soon.  I have gotten many personal messages from members that kits are being delivered in full with all the proper fabrics so I'm sure you'll be fine if all your fabrics are in stock.

 

Just to clarify, I've been working with LeBaron Bonney for 25 years.  This is my third full kit for my cars, and of course various parts and items for my cars throughout the years.  I have no issue with LeBaron Bonney, Scott Holbrook, David Costello or any aspect of the company.  In fact, they have been overly apologetic regarding the bad dye lot, and have been trying since last October to rectify the problem and fulfill my order.  I've been getting updates all along as they tried to find the correct fabrics for my restoration.  I have always found the company and their representatives to be very professional and very helpful.  Unfortunately, my situation was completely out of their control.  Unlike your situation, my fabric is simply not in stock, and they have no idea when to expect the replacement fabric that has passed all the colorfast tests,........

 

Remember, I first ordered my original kit in February, 2017.  It was delivered in May 2017.  I wasn't ready to install until October 2017.  It was then, after I installed the headliner, that I took the  rear panels out of their boxes to discover the greenish color change.  I pulled out the door panels and they also were turning color due to the bad dye lot.  (That was the 2N Brown Bedford Cord fabric).  I'm not the only kit affected by this and LBB has been working since I alerted them to the issue to find a resolution.  It's just a bad situation that I hope is coming to an end soon.

 

I hope your kit gets to you with all its proper fabrics and is the quality and finish we've all come to expect from LBB.  If you install before me, please post some photos of the process!

 

Good Luck!

Gary

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6 hours ago, Gary W said:

Hi Rod,

I hope your kit arrives soon.  I have gotten many personal messages from members that kits are being delivered in full with all the proper fabrics so I'm sure you'll be fine if all your fabrics are in stock.

 

Just to clarify, I've been working with LeBaron Bonney for 25 years.  This is my third full kit for my cars, and of course various parts and items for my cars throughout the years.  I have no issue with LeBaron Bonney, Scott Holbrook, David Costello or any aspect of the company.  In fact, they have been overly apologetic regarding the bad dye lot, and have been trying since last October to rectify the problem and fulfill my order.  I've been getting updates all along as they tried to find the correct fabrics for my restoration.  I have always found the company and their representatives to be very professional and very helpful.  Unfortunately, my situation was completely out of their control.  Unlike your situation, my fabric is simply not in stock, and they have no idea when to expect the replacement fabric that has passed all the colorfast tests,........

 

Remember, I first ordered my original kit in February, 2017.  It was delivered in May 2017.  I wasn't ready to install until October 2017.  It was then, after I installed the headliner, that I took the  rear panels out of their boxes to discover the greenish color change.  I pulled out the door panels and they also were turning color due to the bad dye lot.  (That was the 2N Brown Bedford Cord fabric).  I'm not the only kit affected by this and LBB has been working since I alerted them to the issue to find a resolution.  It's just a bad situation that I hope is coming to an end soon.

 

I hope your kit gets to you with all its proper fabrics and is the quality and finish we've all come to expect from LBB.  If you install before me, please post some photos of the process!

 

Good Luck!

Gary

A big hello to every one from me at the Nationals in Denver. Having heard of Gary's difficulties with receiving his replacement interior, I have decided to hold off ordering until things sort themselves out. Cheers Paul

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Paul,

 

If you want their 2N material, you might as well wait a while. If you want any other material, I would not be concerned. I think they said it would take 6 to 8 weeks to produce my kit. My kit was ordered on 4-26-18. It was delivered on 6-18-18. 

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Gary,


If SMS is the LeBaron's source, have you tried contacting SMS directly?  They may have some of the material available for their own retail customers.
 

When I ordered an entire interior for my 59, I purchased through them directly (https://smsautofabrics.com/). 

It's unfortunate there aren't other sources for materials.

Your defective cloth was apparently produced by SMS, I too had issues with SMS material, but my issue was with their leather. 
 

< begin SMS rant >


I ordered and received 2 whole leather hides dyed in the appropriate red color more than a year prior to bringing it to the upholsterer (it cost a fortune).

When I presented the hide to the upholsterer a year later, the first thing he asked was if I knew the hide was spray dyed as it wouldn't be very durable... I had no idea!

Apparently, hides can either be spray dyed or vat dyed.  Needless to say, Vat Dyed leather is far more durable as the dye literally penetrates the fibers of the leather as opposed to a topical spray.

Upon calling them about this they told me if I wanted vat dyed leather I would have had to order it that way.

Nowhere on the SMS website does it mention these options, neither was it discussed by their sales team upon ordering.

As the upholsterer foretold, the dye did begin to wear off in less than 2 years of very limited use.

I was less than pleased.

<end rant >

Hoping your new SMS cloth works out as great as the rest of your restoration. 

Looking forward, as is everyone, to the completion of your project!

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Monday June 25, 2018:  Samples arrived from LeBaron Bonney

 

As promised, my fabric samples arrived in today's mail.  I immediately compared the samples to my wood grained parts, the armrests, the headliner....  I think it'll work out just fine.

 

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This is what I got today.  My seats are the 2-C Bedford Cord.  I chose the 2-LM for my panels.  It's more of a mohair/broadcloth(?) than the 2-N Bedford Cord but I think it'll look very authentic.

The scan doesn't replicate the colors accurately.  The 10-LM is too light and the 7-LM was way too dark.

 

 

My original door and side panels actually were more of a smooth fabric, not the cord-type fabric.  Then I looked online and saw some other Buicks and the panels do look smooth, not a corduroy like the seats.

 

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This car has the cord seats and the smooth panels so I guess I'm on the right track.

 

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Here is my door panel as removed from the car.  It also is a "smooth" fabric, not ribbed.

 

 

(ASIDE....  why can't I upload photos?  I keep getting a "You are only allowed to upload 9.52mb"  error message which I have never seen before)

 

 

I called LeBaron and ordered the 2-LM so hopefully I'll be back in the garage this time next week!

 

Have a great night!

Gary

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Gary W said:

(ASIDE....  why can't I upload photos?  I keep getting a "You are only allowed to upload 9.52mb"  error message which I have never seen before)

 

It's a new restriction that came in about a month ago because (I assume) the webmeisters running the site are concerned about storing too many large files.  You were lucky to do almost all of your thread before this rule was imposed because it's a royal PITA to have to resize all your photos!  Anyhow, here's a discussion about it:  http://forums.aaca.org/topic/309576-new-image-upload-size/

 

Your fabric choices look great and I'm sure I speak for us all when I say we are relieved that you are back on track!

 

Neil

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Tuesday June 26, 2018:  Interior Kit Update :

 

I just had a pleasant conversation with Mr. David Costello up at LeBaron Bonney to confirm my new fabric choice for the panels.

So the original order from February, 2017 has been modified to reflect the following:

 

Panels:  2-LM  /  GB-5   

Seats:  2C  /  2-LM  /  GB-5

 

(The GB-5 is the brown leather that is used to trim out various parts..., edging for the carpet)

 

The new order will go down to production, then they have to fabricate the new kit.

 

I should expect delivery of the replacement kit on or about August 1, 2018

 

I'll keep you posted!

Gary

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Gary

Received my interior kit from Lebaron Bonney last Thursday and it was complete, not just the headliner. The shade for the rear window was back ordered but remainder appears to be there. In light of your problem with dye lots I removed all pieces and all appear to be in good condition. It was a  bit of a surprise as I had been told they would  rush the headliner but was unable to give estimate as to when remainder would be  complete. I had emailed and asked for some estimate and lo and behold received email saying entire order was to be shipped the week I contacted them. 

The discoloration you had--was it immediately present or did it occur after period of time?

Hope you receive in near future. 

Rod

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Hi Gary,

i went and picked up my 32’ Olds interior last Thursday at LBHC and inquired when I was there and they filled me in some about your situation. Glad you were able to come to something that would work. The materials for our cars are getting difficult to get. My own interior was held up for the leather because of the leather’s color, not for it being leather. My convertible top was not done because the T-49 fabric wasn’t available, and from all places Hartzz that’s right down the road from LBHC. They have to wait for the next production run. Even the bowdrill cloth to cover the bows is back ordered in the color I need. 

      On another note: when I was at LBHC, it looks like they’re revamping one of their production floors/areas so this could be why some things are taking a little longer too. All companies have to upgrade and improve at one time or another and it always effects production. This could be the case.

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Hi guys!

 

So glad to hear your kits are being produced and delivered on time! 

 

Rod..  My 2-N Bedford Cord panels started turning green in about two - three months.  And it was very "splotchy" green.....  not the entire panel at one time.

And it happened while the panels were still in the boxes!  No sunlight / UV exposure at all. 

I think I should be taking delivery next week if the original schedule holds true.

Can't wait!

 

Gary

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Thursday August 16, 2018:  Update on the Upholstery 

 

I called LeBaron Bonney yesterday and was told that my kit is going to ship tomorrow, August 17.  So I guess a few days in transit and hopefully I'll be stapling by this time next week!

 

I did get a couple small things done while waiting:

Stopped the heater hose from leaking at the firewall

Hooked up a master electric disconnect switch under the hood

Installed what was left of the Dyna Mat sound deadener

Found springs on Amazon that I think will be good for under the front seat

Organized for the install

OH....... And learned how to resize photos!!

 

 

 

 

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This is where I mounted the master cut-off switch.

(I tucked the heater hoses inside the front fender.  I didn't want to use the bracket that hides the valve cover decal.)

 

 

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I think I remember seeing another Buick mounted like this and it must have made an imprint in my brain.  (Don?)

 

 

 

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I simply bent a heavy brass bar, drilled and dressed both ends

 

 

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The bar acts as the electrical conductor and the support

 

 

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I crawled under the car to try to show how I made the connections.

Forces me to check the oil and look at the hoses before I take her out.

 

 

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I used the remainder of my DynaMat to cover some of the exposed metal inside the door

 

 

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And under / behind the rear seat area.  This is the thicker DynaLiner self adhesive matting.

 

 

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I found these springs on Amazon.  

I'm going to try to use them under the front seat.  My car didn't have the springs so I really don't know the exact size I'm looking for.

 

 

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But these fit into the openings nice and snug

 

 

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And will show through like this.  (Although maybe lean to the rear)

 

 

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Then I cleaned everything up, vacuumed the rug

 

 

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And organized my "interior kit" so when it arrives I can get moving!

 

Thanks for hanging in there!

It's been waaaaaaaay too long!

 

Have a great night!

Gary

 

 

 

 

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Alright Gary, glad you are back, it`s like I can breathe again. I like the place you put your disconnect switch, but that exposed bar scares me like a live wire.. I`d recommend some shrink-wrap to cover all the exposed bar between the mount holes.  Just a suggestion.. Tom 

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Gary, My disconnect is similar. Since the operating "button" is remote there is no force on the disconnect that might cause it to move.

I just didnt like having to open the hood all the time to connect and disconnect the battery.

What you have done looks good to me. Just watch to be sure the switch doesnt move. Sometimes the terminals on the solenoid arent really tight.

 

Great to hear thet you are finally getting your upholstery - you'll probably be driving it next week - in your tuxedo!

 

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Re: master disconnect. I’m wondering if the stud you used on the starter solenoid is strong enough to support the cut off switch and brass bar. Zeke

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Gary,

You're back ! ! 

G lad that your kit is coming soon.  Finally, you will be able to finish the beautiful Buick and drive it before the cold weather is upon you. 

All you guys are getting your interior kits.  LBB gave me sad news.  They do not make a kit for my 36 Pontiac Coupe.  I will have to order the fabric and reference pictures of other cars and hopefully,  I will get it right.  Funny how LBB makes most cars interior kits but they do not have Pontiac kits (at least for the 36 models).  They have Chevrolet but not Pontiac.  Go figure.  Guess they do not have enough demand for the Pontiacs?  I even offered the headliner, seat and door panels to LBB for a pattern for my and future kits.  No dice.

I wanted to do my interior myself but without the pre made kits, it leaves me relying on the upholstery shop.  And face it, the interior is just as important as the rest of the car.  There are no shortcuts to a good looking finish. 

 

Randy  

 

 

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IT's not just the Pontiac. They don't have 36 Buick model 48 interiors either.

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Gary and 1930's Buick owners,

 

Originally, did the Buick's come with a carpeted front floor mat?  Or were they a rubber, embossed (at the accelerator pedal and clutch/brake) area below the pedals?  The Chevy, Pontiac Olds all seem to have the rubber floor mat in the drivers compartment.  

If it did come with the rubber, do you have a rubber mat available to you, the Buick owners?  Originally, they were either black or in my case, brown.  Brown pedals, gearshift knob, steering wheel, transmission boot, emergency brake boot.  

And the sad point.  No one makes the rubber mat for the mid 30's GM cars.  (at least for Pontiac).  Since there are a limited number of Pontiacs out there, the demand for the items are (almost?) non existent.  

 

I was told by the P.O.I.C.  that there are around 100 of the coupes left in the world.  Hence my desire to restore one.  But there are voids in the parts hunt that make it very difficult to complete the restoration.  The interior kit is one.  The brown floor mat is the other.  I guess that I could do as you have done here, Gary and make a carpet that can be installed in the front floor.  I have a later rubber mat that someone makes (for the later models that he says that will fit) but it is not the brown that was as the original.  It is almost translucent and a lighter caramel  brown.  Being in California (and I probably won't enter the car for judging) and lacking in inclement weather,  I can take some liberties to make the car "nicer" with a floor that is carpeted.  I am leaning towards  the wool carpet as is used in the Jaguar (very nice and a bit more plush than the LBB carpet). 

 

If any one else has a source or suggestions, I will be very receptive to hearing from you on this subject. 

 

One thing;  once all the old "barn finds" are restored, I wonder if there will be any source for after market products if the demand dwindles?  It seems to be harder to find parts today than it was just 8 years ago.  

 

Randy   

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Maybe one of the ones that Bob's Automobilia sells might work for you with some very minor work to remove the Buick logo? They have both black and brown.

 

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I am thinking this one is probably the closest to what you need: https://bobsautomobilia.com/interior-floors-and-doors/floormat-w-jute-backing-brown-1934-36-.-ff-36bnu/

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I don't think it is a Buick logo, I think it is a Fisher logo. The mat may even be correct for Pontiac, but I am not sure. I believe you should be looking at 1936 40 series, because Pontiac used the smaller of the 2 Fisher bodies.

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