edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 It’s time to exercise all the cars again. So what shall I take to breakfast today? Decisions, decisions................I’ll update with a photo when I finally choose......feeling rather sporty........so it’s gonna be something that spins fast..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdc Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The suspense... 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 For me, the decision is all too easy. 10° weather, with salt & snow on the ground means my cars remained parked until April. 🤥 Craig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 As the famous movie line says.....choose and pay your destructor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Two eggs over easy, sausage, hash browns, pancakes and orange juice will do nicely. Edited December 13, 2020 by SC38DLS (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 The DV-32..................I highly recommend one...........or two, or three. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) PB Roadster, again. 🙄 Heading to the shop in couple of minutes. Starting her in 15-20. On the road in 30-40. Destination (route), ACH at +/- 8000 ft (in couple of hours). See you all(?) up there. Edited December 13, 2020 by TTR (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 A view like that could make one "Stutter". Grocery day or I would get out my QV48. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) She’s idling and ready to rumble. (Tried to add brief video, but... ☹️) Temp right now (at the shop) 42, expecting a drop to around 20 “up there”. Dress accordingly. Take off in 3, 2, 1 ... Edited December 13, 2020 by TTR (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 May reach 70 today, Ed might be a bit warmer since further south. Could take any car except retracables shopping but only 4 valves are 6s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, edinmass said: The DV-32..................I highly recommend one...........or two, or three. Ed: If every DV-32 built still were extant, there still wouldn't be enough to go around to all of us who want one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 I have been trying to buy one since 1987. When I had 30K, they went to 60k. When I had 75K they were selling for 200. When I had the 200k, they are selling for in the millions. They increased in value ten times faster than I could earn it. Such is the way of the working stiff. I get to drive other peoples........so it is a pretty good deal. The DV is truly a remarkable platform........add in interesting coachwork........and you have a BIG BOT TOY. I would even settle for a lumpy old factory sedan.....if it were a DV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 "I would even settle for a lumpy old factory sedan.....if it were a DV." Or maybe the Continental Coupe by Waterhouse if it would just turn up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) The missing coupe would make me happy........hasn’t been seen since the war. Edited December 13, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, SC38DLS said: A pic of the entire car would be appreciated. Looking down the hood is great but more eye candy is better. Unfortunately many cars I am not allowed to post photos............In the car world many owners are private, which is certainly understandable. 90 percent of what I work on is a “no photo” vehicle. I will post a photo of a nearly identical car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, SC38DLS said: Two eggs over easy, sausage, hash browns, pancakes and orange juice will do nicely. I'm quite sure none if the vehicles have cup holders. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Ed I took the post down so as not to cause you any problem. Thanks for the ones you can post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, SC38DLS said: A pic of the entire car would be appreciated. Here you go......same thing but different. Please don’t post photos of the actual car............or I will be unable to share things in the future. Thanks, Ed. Edited December 13, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SC38DLS said: Ed I took the post down so as not to cause you any problem. Thanks for the ones you can post. No worries Dave.........all is good. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The beauty of all of this era of cars is just amazing. Talent of design even if the function didn’t always match. Thanks for being so open to share what you have the privilege (thru years of hard work I’m sure) to work on and enjoy. dave s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Two things I add to all my cars that lack: handsfree and cup holders. When was a yonker had a plastic thingie that went in the window channel. Still have some...somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 hours ago, edinmass said: It’s time to exercise all the cars again. So what shall I take to breakfast today? Decisions, decisions.... To any of us with more than one car, that decision recurs frequently. I just make sure they all get regular exercise. And you're right: It's a fun decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Really just one question: Is it a good day for a convertible ? If so but might rain I don't take the SLK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Great day for an open car drive.........I have too many cars to road test over the next two weeks, so most of them will be ten miles or less. She pulled strong through 3800 rpm. Don’t like to push any harder than that. Ran fantastic. Only issue......very loud brake squeal the first few stops.........enough to make you cringe. Otherwise all was good. I first encountered this car back in 1989. So, it’s an old friend. For years it was a trailer queen.....bad steering box, bad clutch, and ignition issues. We did the box over........giving it the total upgrade treatment........steers like it has power steering now. There were four new clutches installed over twenty years.....all done poorly. We got it, and the chatter was so bad that I immediately downed the car for repairs. It was the first job Phil and I did together. I found the problem in less than five minutes after we pulled the transmission. I removed the flywheel and serviced it properly, we relined the disk, and repaired the springs in the pressure plate. Assembled in the shop, and made initial adjustments. Shifts like a brand new car with synchro mesh. It’s that good. No double clutching. Little known fact, Pierce Arrow and Stutz use the same clutch set up from 1929-1933. I have done so many I lost count. I removed the Buick distributor, and made one having an original to copy from George H.......the DV guru who has taught me everything Cadillac and Stutz. The car is lightning fast..........it’s not breathing till it’s doing fifty. While not as “brute strength” power as a Model J, it behaves like a well tuned Ferrari.........turns fast, pulls hard, and speed can get you into trouble before you realize it. A pure joy to drive. AJ has some miles on this car.......like fifty before I fixed it. So he may comment on it. Edited December 13, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) This was as close a I came.......I was high bidder at a number I was happy with. Sometime after the sale (no sale- reserve not met.) someone doubled my offer, and bought it. It’s traded hands several times, and is now in a great collection being used and displayed. Edited December 13, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) One last fact on the DV............even though it had been restored twice, when we purchased it, I could immediately tell it had carb problems. I was correct, it had the wrong carb on it.........typical half ass rebuild sone by some nit wit tractor mechanic. Ever try and locate a correct DV carb..........impossible. I called the usual people, they all had people waiting in line for a correct DV unit for multiple decades. Took me twelve days to find one...........the other boys were stepping on their tongues looking at it. Made all the difference in the world. Most cars with Stromberg carbs are NOT set up correctly.......like 90 percent, but just try and convince an owner to spend the money to make it right..........nearly impossible. Edited December 13, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Well, that was fun (I apologize for thread hijack, Ed). 150 miles, 7K+ ft. elevation and 50+ degree temperature changes. ACH was closed at Vincent Gulch (pictured location at 5600 ft.), so I had to turn around and reroute to backway to Crestline via 138 to Lake Arrowhead and then down 18 to San Berdoo and home (to Riverside). Stopped in downtown for takeout of delicious BBQ pork ribs, which I just enjoyed with wheat beer. Now relaxing in backyard with a good cigar and an “Eldorado” Margarita. Edited December 13, 2020 by TTR (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 TTR......no worries, I am the biggest offender. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Driving out here. Picture taken about an hour ago. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Reason why old cars had a rack for a blanket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Xander Wildeisen said: Driving out here. Picture taken about an hour ago. I hope they don't use salt in your neighborhood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelroadster Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 We all need to feel sorry for Ed ---, He has to work very hard at his job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Xander Wildeisen said: Driving out here. Picture taken about an hour ago. While I packed chains this morning (first time this winter) and saw some of that "white stuff" in few places up in the mountains, roads were still clear of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Well, these decisions on which car to drive are difficult for Ed, so I, for one, have sympathy...we all have crosses to bear, and these decisions are tough, which great car to take to breakfast...so sorry, Ed... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Ed, You may reply or not as you wish. But I get curious what clutch problem you found in five minutes after removing the transmission? Many years ago, on what I considered a modern vehicle (1960s Ford Pickup) I had bought to be a daily driver and work truck, it had a clutch that worked horribly badly. Too many things that needed too much attention, and I drove it that way (carefully?) for a few months. I speculated what was wrong, based upon its behavior, but what I suspected was believed to be IMPOSSIBLE. Those "tractor mechanics" you like to mention? I like that, and suspected basically that from the beginning. Some work had clearly been done to the truck, and everything surrounding the transmission and clutch was missing bolts (about one quarter of all bolts were missing!), along with loose bolts, misaligned or missing panels, and the usual dirty grease missing around edges and bolts with everything else having never been cleaned. After those few months that I know I shouldn't have run it that much, the clutch practically exploded. The disk disintegrated and locked up the clutch. No problem. I had driven more miles with blown clutches than most people ever, finished out my work day, and drove to the auto supply store. I bought the parts I knew I would need, and the next day, pulled the transmission out. I paid close attention to how the disc was installed, and sure enough, impossible or not, the disc had been installed backwards! Cushion springs do not function like they are supposed to when they are on the wrong side of the rotation and torque. Just for kicks and giggles, and to make sure what I was seeing, I tried to install the disc in backwards. I can't see how anyone that considers themselves to be a mechanic could do it? The center spline is offset a bunch! It does not want to go together on the wrong way. Somehow? It was in there backwards. I put it in right, found proper bolts and screws and even made a missing cover panel. Put over a half million miles on that truck! (NOT exaggerating!) I did have to replace the engine once. The engine I reworked? Went over 340,000 miles with only routine servicing. I cannot say exactly how far it went, the speedometer quit working after 290,000 miles on my reworked engine. But all that is another story. Ed, I am probably the second worst thread drift offender? Edited December 14, 2020 by wayne sheldon I hate leaving typos! (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, Fossil said: I hope they don't use salt in your neighborhood. Idaho grinds up people's dignity and self worth. Then it spreads that over the roads. Nice and course if you are a non believer in the conformity Kool aid.😆 Only collector car driving in the snow, that I noticed driving home. Started coming down around noon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) On a Long clutch, they have pins that support the pressure plate, and people often grind the flywheel but not the pins, Without correct pin height you get slipping and chattering, thus a new installed and instantly screwed up clutch. On our car, they ground half the pins, causing the clutch plate to sit crooked about .08, when pulling the transmission and bell housing, I always measure the pins before I take the plate off. With that much difference, it was easy to figure out the chattering was caused by incorrect installation and rebuild. Remember, although it’s a Stutz........it’s identical to a Pierce, which I have done more than fifty clutches over the years, and add in about five other Stutz cars, and that Duesenberg Model J is identical except one inch larger in diameter.........but all Long clutch products.......you get good at servicing them, and fixing other peoples messes. I have done three repairs overseas........and, since G Long is a friend, and fellow Pierce Arrow owner, and a relative of the manufacturer.........we have these units down to a science. I have rebuilt clutches on the shelf in the shop right now for Pierce, Stutz, and Duesenberg. (All Long ten and eleven inch units.) That’s how many I work on.........R&R in one day. Easy........when you have everything on hand. Edited December 14, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Very interesting, Ed, thank you. One of the cars I had and worked on years ago, had a blown transmission. Gears were badly beat up, and several teeth were missing off the cluster gear. When I got inside, I discovered that the clutch had been horribly maladjusted, same result. The pressure plate was crooked, and the clutch wouldn't release completely or properly engage smoothly. Hence chewing up the gears. I guess he didn't know how to do the no clutch shift thing I have had to do on a half dozen vehicles. I fixed the clutch, and found a replacement transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 14 hours ago, edinmass said: As the famous movie line says.....choose and pay your destructor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Ok Matt.......did you know it, or did you have to look it up. It’s a pretty obscure reference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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