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John_Mereness Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 For a complete copy: 1932 Auburn Salesman's Handbook https://willennar.pastperfectonline.com/library/C4AA9610-1127-437C-95FA-029639265422 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 (edited) Edited September 6, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 If you look close in the hubcap then you will see the radio station tower for the LA based Fuller Auburn-Cord dealership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 There seems to be a misunderstanding by many. NO POSTS ARE MISSING! The page count of posts went from 25 to 40, so the total number of pages has reduced. NOT the number of posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3makes Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said: There seems to be a misunderstanding by many. NO POSTS ARE MISSING! The page count of posts when from 25 to 40, so the total number of pages has reduced. NOT the number of posts. The word is "went"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, 3makes said: The word is "went"! You "new" what I "ment" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanSierakowski Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Walt here is something just for you, following some comments you shared about American cars being advertised in foreign lands... from a British newspaper in 1936 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Here is an image from a print in the Willoughby Body Co. archives that is from 1912. I was able 35+ years ago to purchase a huge amount of the Willoughby archives/files of period photographs, images etc which included Francis WIlloughby's photo albums inscribed in ink in his own hand. All found at an antique show about 15 miles south of Utica, NY and purchased from a vendor who found it all at a garage sale in Utica! Apparently the material was saved when the Willoughby Company factory was cleaned out and rescued before it hit the trash. A huge amount of period material ( they also built commercial bodies for local transportation and hospital use) . I hope to do a history of Willoughby sometime next year. This stuff has sat here in my library/archives to long, the story needs to be told. WG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Walt, how much paper work would go into the design of that Willoughby or any other custom body? Did the wood framework builders and panel makers work side by side or was the wood finished then handed off the the panel people? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) Hi Bob, As far as what was paperwork - layout for wood framework , some but less then you would expect. Most of the guys designing the structural framework had been doing so for years from the horse drawn carriage days. I know the woodwork was finished and then the body which usually was on a rolling platform was then moved over to the panel beaters for them to complete the metal skin to cover the structural framework. I have images in periodicals of that era ( both USA and European) showing this some what, but the Willoughby 8 x 10 photos I have show it happening - the stages of the wood construction, etc. seat hardware was done before the skin was applied often, just for ease of access. Budd CO. in Phildelphia in the early/mid 1920s was already into all steel construction for bodies, and even did some for Citroen chassis that were imported and then on a lease agreement that construction was started by Citroen in France. I have photos of all of this. I hope to be able to at some point give a talk at an AACA annual meeting to share all of this in person and answer questions if I can. I have already given at least two talks on the subject at CCCA annual meetings when I used to belong to that club and also provided images for a CCCA member/director to give one at a concours that I didn't attend. A custom body would take anywhere from 3 to 6 months to complete as castings had to be made from patterns ( which also had to be made) for things like cowl/windshield supports etc all hidden under the sheet metal, seat springs had to be measured and ordered from Atkinson Spring in Hamburg, NY . I will stop here as I am guessing this is getting to be like reading a text book for a lot of the people on the forums. Don't want to put everyone to sleep. Walt Edited September 11, 2020 by Walt G clarifcation (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Returning to some old business, as far as I know, the "hulk" is still lurking in the unidentified category on this forum thread. The "hulk" is apparently a commercial vehicle that carries a large tank over the rear wheels that probably would contain a liquid. The manufacturer of the vehicle appears to be Jeffery. The image from the forum was magnified on my computer and it held together enough to allow the name Jeffery to be read. In my photo files are several photos of Jeffery automobiles that have the same Jeffery logo on their radiators. The rear wheels on the Jeffery are remarkable, reminding one of the "20 Mule Team Borax" wagons. There appears to be pipes and a spray bar under the overhead storage tank. The spray bar appears to have spray nozzles approximately 8 or 10 inches apart, suggesting this vehicle may have been used to spray oil or possibly hot tar to pave a road surface. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Jeffery was the precursor of Nash, and Nash was famous for not only cars, but incredible trucks. The Nash Quads of the Great War (WW1) were legendary. I recall reading many years ago that trucks were also built by Jeffery before Nash took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLynskey Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Walt G said: Don't want to put everyone to sleep. Walt, you'll never put me to sleep. This is very interesting. Most people at car shows are impressed with the beauty and elegance of the Classics (capital C), but few really understand what "custom built" really meant in those days. Thanks for saving the material and please see that it is preserved when you no longer need it. Don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) My contribution for the weekend. Images from the Automobile Salon souvenir catalogue ( that's the way they spelled it) for Chicago 1922. Same image appeared in the New York Salon catalogue. All or most of the material I have will eventually ( hopefully a long time from now!) be placed with a library that will have reasonable access staffed by people who are knowledgeable at what they are viewing. I thought I had that all sorted out for many years but was convinced otherwise in short order by the club President nearly 3 years ago. Oh Well. Edited September 12, 2020 by Walt G typo (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 BODY QUALITY - There is another topic on this same title under General Discussion, but I just came across this Willys-Knight Taxi sales folder and it is pretty explicit as to what was on offer and the image shows the "body quality" . They didn't have to deal with welds, but perhaps termites?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Who would have thought an early Leland-built Lincoln could look so sporty! Only a set of wire wheels would have added to the affect. Their masterful design ethic is displayed early in this Lincoln: close-coupled proportions, V-windshield, tonneau cowl, step-plates, dual rear-mounted spares. Though, the miss-matched tires and wood-spokes were an odd choice for a promotion photo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 Steve the car looks great due to the Murphy application of their design and coachwork, they even made the fenders, only thing visible that is Lincoln is the hood , headlamps wheels and radiator shell. Walt 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Walt. Small wonder then it looks so great, the Murphy magic touch! Henry Leland was the "master of precision" but definitely not attractive body design... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 Here you go folks - it is not a LaStrade, Watson nor a Sherlock but is a ............................................. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Air-cooled Holmes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 oldcarfudd natiled it. It's an air-cooled Holmes. Circa '21 or '23. It has a unique body mold that runs straight from the simulated radiator to the rear of the car body. Walt, I really like the Willy-Knight wood framing. It is nice to see what is underneath the skin. It is amazing that wood skeleton bodies were turned out so quickly. The curved wood looks like it probably was steam bent which is costly of energy resources and time consuming to complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Walt, Thank you for keeping this thread on track. If the club was still together, and we had used of Veterans Park Field, today would have been the 59th Ridgefield Meet. So many great cars & people. The memories were life changing. Bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I always wondered after looking at all the ugly early Leland Lincoln’s what his wife looked like! 🤔 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Walt, Thank you for keeping this thread on track. If the club was still together, and we had used of Veterans Park Field, today would have been the 59th Ridgefield Meet. So many great cars & people. The memories were life changing. Bob It’s kind of interesting to think that many of us here went to that show regularly.........I was the little kid running around looking at the brass and CCCA stuff! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 I am so happy to share what I have been fortunate enough to find and add to my collection over the decades here on the forums . I really prefer a print medium over electronic ( because if the lights go out I can still read a magazine by flashlight or candle light) As most have surmised my area of main interest ( severe interest!?!) is the WWI to WWII era. Especially the design and construction of coach work be it passenger car or commercial. I find it so interesting as an artist and historian how all the factors to hand build a car came together with no computer around to tell anyone how to calculate or the timing needed to do that. How great were the artists who rendered the sales literature or individual portraits to show to potential customers . I also know very well what it is like to lift and sort through ash wood for structural framework use that is 3 inches thick by 8+ inches wide and 10- feet long., move a piece of sheet metal that is 4 x 8 feet, etc in the cars of that era that I have restored or helped restore. It puts a whole different perspective on everything. I feel in my own way by sharing what you see here, and what I pen in stories I am honoring all the time and labor put in by the hardworking fellows 80 + years ago. I think if they were around they would feel proud to see something they worked on still here so many decades later and cared for by so many people. Preservation of our and their heritage. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) I haven't posted anything for a while so I'll add this one. From a batch of negatives I have taken before WWII. Picture is in Florida. Edited September 13, 2020 by alsancle (see edit history) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole motor car lover Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 One of my favorite custom Coles that the company made. It was made by combining three different body types that they offered and had a massive wheel base of a 152 inches. The price of this particular Cole is unknown but definitely was not cheap hopefully some of you find this one pretty neat. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1917 New York Auto Salon, White Motorcars. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Pierce Arrow truck. 1918 Edited September 13, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt G Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 Ed, great stuff - first time I have ever seen the interior of that Jordan club sedan. Love it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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