30DodgePanel Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Whitefish Lake MI 1930 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Spong Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Matford Showroom on the Avenue Champs-Elysees, Paris about 1937. Matford was an amalgamation between Ford of France and the French manufacturer, Mathis. When I was last in Paris I tried to locate the site but it now appears to be a MacDonalds !! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) Past and present okay to post ? White Eagle station at 301 E Missouri St Alma Kansas Still standing (almost a time capsule). Would love to own an old service station like this for a shop. Edited August 23, 2020 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twin6 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Custom bodied Packards: a 443 roadster with Derham body and a 343 town car with Fleetwood body. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I have always thought the Derham bodies like that Packard had some of the best lines of any body ever made, regardless of the chassis it sits on. Thanks for posting this photo as I have not seen that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 19 hours ago, Colin Spong said: Matford Showroom on the Avenue Champs-Elysees, Paris about 1937. Matford was an amalgamation between Ford of France and the French manufacturer, Mathis. When I was last in Paris I tried to locate the site but it now appears to be a MacDonalds !! The door pulls on that building would not look out-of-place on a modern office tower today. Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 Derham was a quality shop, that lasted into the late 1960s, I have a sales catalog they issued in 1967! for body modifications they could and did perform in their shops. I had a Derham bodied car built in the end of 1930 - wow, lots of really thick and heavy well engineered structural seasoned ash wood under the aluminum skin, no filler anyplace to make things curve the way they were supposed to , all the sheet metal was perfectly formed. Quality under the beautiful exterior that you saw at the automobile salons. Enos Derham was a great gentleman and very patient and kind to answer my questions in the early 1970s when we were in contact. At a car show about 25 years ago I spoke to a fellow who was a young guy who worked at the Derham shops in the 1950s and he said that they did a lot of work on limousines , including making them more "bomb proof" when constructed for diplomats in foreign countries. They lined the floors under the carpets with chain mail ( think of the chain mail used by the knights of old in suits of armor) to prevent any metal from being blown up into the cars from an explosive device! Apparently it was fairly effective most of the time. More automotive coach builders history. I have lots of stories that I heard from Rudy Creteur of Rollston/Rollson as well at conversations during lunch with Austin Clark we used to go to on a regular basis 45+ years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 A 443 Derham with 1929 NJ plates, a one year old car showing some signs of use (tires and goddess of speed have seen better days). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 An attractive body style that made it on to a few Stutz and Model J also. I posted a drawing of it on a J8-90 Stearns chassis too down in the Stearns Knight thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I guess just the body alone cost around $2000 and you could get a hand crank for the top for an extra $100! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 In a number of the photos that have been posted on this forum's thread, automobile tires both on the ground and retained in the fender wells show considerable wear. Rubber and tire fabrication technology lagged behind automotive and mechanical technology. Cotton cord was the most used material bedded in rubber, but the rubber compound itself needed improvement. In 1907 the Ajax-Grieb Rubber Company guaranteed their Ajax tires for 5000 miles and jazzed up their advertising with "cheesecake" of the day. The Automobile in 1922 published an article about an 8000 mile tire, and in that same year appeared an article about producing synthetic rubber from petroleum. Synthetic rubber would go on to be an important chemical compound in World War Two. Worn tire tread can contributed to or cause a traffic accident; it may be factors in the two accident photos. The left-front tire of the Los Angeles Fire Chief's Chrysler, and possibly the right-front tire as well, would warrant a modern day highway patrol citation of warning. The last photo also shows a worn out tire in a critical location. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Third series twin six with Fleetwood body built for Marilyn Miller. The fenders appear to be Packard. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 What do you call these rims on the disk wheel? Is the lock ring bolted on, drop center or clincher? Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: What do you call these rims on the disk wheel? Is the lock ring bolted on, drop center or clincher? Bob They look to be Disteel wheels. I haven't researched details of them but there are plenty of ads to be found on ebay etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: What do you call these rims on the disk wheel? Is the lock ring bolted on, drop center or clincher? Bob There's this.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Nzcarnerd was typing at the same time I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, twin6 said: Third series twin six with Fleetwood body built for Marilyn Miller. The fenders appear to be Packard. That Packard factory behind it is still standing..............BARELY!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Some Packards had Truarc disc wheels, like this 1-26 sport model with California top. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukejunkie1015 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 8:24 AM, 30DodgePanel said: From the previous post. This is one of those photo's that doesn't do the scenery justice. Imagine the expanse they witnessed on this trip... Gorgeous location in person I'm sure. A great playful car photo, thanks for sharing it. And the view a little lower with other tour vehicles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 A National touring with some interesting rubber. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Having some fun in Contoocook, NH, 1917. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twin6 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 An interesting cross section of technologies: a rail car loaded with milled lumber next to oxen next to a Model T (registered to Earl Hastings, of Los Angeles). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John_Mereness Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 After hunting for a while today - this is the link for the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Museum Library: FUN STUFF AHEAD : https://automobilemuseum.pastperfectonline.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 !phone geek of the day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Rare to see a 1913 Model T Ford with the signature square corner door. Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1930 Packard 745 convertible victoria, Waterhouse body, taken to auto show in Paris. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34LaSalleClubSedan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, twin6 said: 1930 Packard 745 convertible victoria, Waterhouse body, taken to auto show in Paris. Love cars without Sidemounts & plus they have a rear spare or dual rears 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, 34LaSalleClubSedan said: Love cars without Sidemounts & plus they have a rear spare or dual rears I'll second that, no whitewalls to bother maintaining either. Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 lotsa fun to get into the trunk, though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Sorry if Keiser or one of my other Dodge Brethren has posted this before.. No 4 Symbolic for tonight Classic Americana pride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 I wonder how the weight of the two tires affected the steering going around a corner and also the traction for the rear tires? did the tires break loose at all if the speed was up and the corner fairly sharp? This did happen to the Pierce 66 runabout that Austin Clark had that was ordered new by a lady named Pansy Griscom. I would go out with Austin in that Pierce 66 and if he took a corner at a fairly moderate speed the three spare tires at the back ( just on rims no wheel in the center) with the lack of coach work in any quantity would break the tires loose and we would slide the rear of the car around a corner. Most of the time he accelerated going around the corner to get that affect and if it was on a dirt road near his auto museum the experience was great but also required some intake of adult beverage brewed in Scotland to calm ones nerves. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Packard 343 club sedan, with a few accessories. The gizmo up near the cowl vent has me perplexed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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