ScarredKnightfan Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 * To me, the word -rare- is used a bit too much nowadays! What do you consider rare? Would this coupe fit your critical definition!? http://www.oldcarsstronghearts.com/2016/07/19/daily-dose-trivia-tue-70/ Some cattle humor, with a gorgeous, 2-tone GMC pickup:http://www.oldcarsstronghearts.com/2016/07/22/daily-dose-philosophy-fri-70/ Which of these 2 smart promo models would you rather have!?http://www.oldcarsstronghearts.com/2016/07/21/thursday-survey-70/ A surprising street-eye level view of Metro City:http://www.oldcarsstronghearts.com/2016/07/23/scale-saturday-70/ Cort www.oldcarsstronghearts.com pigValve.paceMaker.cowValve | 1979 Caprice Classic (needs new owner) "I'm just saying" __ Shinedown __ 'Second Chance' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 To me, rare means either single digit production or rusted out so fast there are only single digits left. Rare does not necessarily mean desirable. Sometimes it means no-one wanted one. Rare does not mean an option mix unless it involves overhead cams or lotsa gears. (GM could have built a million 69 Chevvies, no two alike). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Not found in large numbers.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyking Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Pink on the inside....... I like mine medium well! Edited July 25, 2016 by Skyking (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2dameron Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It means I haven't seen one for twenty-five years. Exceedingly rare means I have never seen one. I guess that could be interpreted "Rare to Me." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in Canada Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Does not mean one of six built with a coat hanger delete over the rear doors. Has to be something major. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I prefer "Pittsburg". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) This car is rare.. It is a car for a car collector.. or a museum.. Not much more.. I think rare is all about bragging rights .. I have it.. Edited July 25, 2016 by nick8086 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Skyking said: Pink on the inside....... I like mine medium well! That was the example I was going to give, I myself like mine rare, cold red center and bleeding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Walling Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 YUGO! It is so rare that you never see one running. (;-( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 If I'm buying it's "impossible to find parts for". If I'm selling it's "rare". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyking Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Does"rare" also mean "limited"? which you find on a million cars today....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captndan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That's when someone has one and thinks it is and doubles the price to see if anyone else agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 "Rare" can also mean "not well done". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Wolk Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Rare only means that few still exist. That does not equate to valuable or production numbers. I would agree that "rare" is way over-used. Color combinations, IMO, do not make a car rare. One of our rarest cars, the 1933 Continental Flyer, is the only know LHD driver in the western hemisphere that's roadworthy. There is a singular RHD in New Zealand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Quite often, rare means that almost nobody liked it. So very few were sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, Mark Shaw said: Quite often, rare means that almost nobody liked it. So very few were sold. Or maybe too expensive to buy in the beginning, so did not sell well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 hour ago, keiser31 said: Or maybe too expensive to buy in the beginning, so did not sell well.... Or it was just a real bad car had no resale and were off to the junkyard as soon as a repair exceeded the value of the car, which was not all that much . Take the Vega for example, they made well over a million in the run, other then the Cosworth's (apply the too expensive reason on those, $500 less then a Corvette, and $1000 more then a Camaro) when was the last time anyone saw a Vega that was not modified? . My uncle had a Vega Kamback wagon he used as a commuter car and junked it because it needed new tires and the car was worth less then the cost of the tires. He was a police officer in the South Bronx in mid 70's his reason for using it was even the car thief's would not steal it they had such a bad rep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I agree with all the reasons so far...but adding more.. My 32 Nash is the rarest car I have owned. Body number 38. -it was not proportioned "typically", it's more of a European open car style. It also is "out of proportion", with a Waterhouse style super long door/super short Coupled rear body, but unfortunately it used the shorter 6 hood. I think many went to South America as the style seems more accepted there. I found no others in the USA, but 2 in South America so far, in 8-9 years of looking -it was the smallest of 7 different sized Nash chassis/engine models....entry level model. -But the special 5 passenger open car body, placed onto a cheap chassis with smallest engine, put the price in a very bad place from a salesman's point of view. I think a person would spend the same $ for the smallest 8 Nash, with a not so expensive body. -and it appears this body had plywood sills which hastened their demise, and were junked, not saved ...even the sales brochure illustration seems to try to hide it's "uncomfortable proportion" problems. But it is my favorite car I have owned, as I really like the front half....it is such a high end styling treatment on such a "lower priced" USA 32-"anymake" chassis. I know it is not valuable, but I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I love the convertible Victoria body style. I would say Waterhouse is my favourite. Your car is very cool Frank. Rare for me depends on what era you are discussing. 1. For prewar cars, I think of rare cars as those built in single digits. 2. For musclecars, I think of cars built in numbers measured in 10s and engine/transmission combo counts. For example, 16 RAIV GTO Converitbles built in 1969. I'm ok with using rare as a qualification for an option but not the whole car. For example, 73 Gremlin with rare factory air conditioning. That is different than calling the whole car rare because of the A/C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GT52 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, nick8086 said: Not found in large numbers.. I think that really says it all ...no need to make things complicated. I think the trouble comes when rarity is conflated with value. They made tens of thousands of 65-66 Mustang convertibles, not rare by any stretch, but for many decades they have had greater value than similar cars of the era. If you find a triple-black one though, that color combination in that car would genuinely be rare, and would definitely increase the value. If you find a green one with red interior, that color combination in that car would also be genuinely rare, and would definitely decrease the value. Rarity really has relatively little to do with value. I can think of a number of cars that are not rare and all and yet are highly desirable, and valuable. And, I can think of a number of cars that are rare by any definition that aren't considered desirable, and have relatively little value. Edited July 25, 2016 by GT52 add emphasis (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2dameron Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 19 hours ago, Skyking said: Pink on the inside....... I like mine medium well! My mom used to tell a story (a true story, according to her, and I have no reason to doubt it) about a country neighbor that went to Richmond, VA, maybe about 1920 or so, to visit some cousins who had relocated there earlier. The waiter was taking their orders and they ordered steak, rare. He had no idea what rare meant but he didn't want to be different so he ordered his "rare." When it was brought to him, he informed the waiter, "See by dogs, you can take mine back and rare it over." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jwteamp Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Means I can't find any info on it and nobody seems to know what it is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 23 minutes ago, john2dameron said: My mom used to tell a story (a true story, according to her, and I have no reason to doubt it) about a country neighbor that went to Richmond, VA, maybe about 1920 or so, to visit some cousins who had relocated there earlier. The waiter was taking their orders and they ordered steak, rare. He had no idea what rare meant but he didn't want to be different so he ordered his "rare." When it was brought to him, he informed the waiter, "See by dogs, you can take mine back and rare it over." I never really thought about it until now, but how did the word rare apply to how meat is cooked? I remember eating raw chop meat as kid (and I was a city kid!) Now I could never imagine anyone feeding their child raw chop meat As far as cars....big block Chevelle's were rare to see when they were new, now they almost seem to be a common car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2dameron Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, John348 said: I never really thought about it until now, but how did the word rare apply to how meat is cooked? I remember eating raw chop meat as kid (and I was a city kid!) Now I could never imagine anyone feeding their child raw chop meat As far as cars....big block Chevelle's were rare to see when they were new, now they almost seem to be a common car. And if you believe what you see at car shows, all Chevrolet Novas and Chevelles built after 1967 were SS models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, John348 said: As far as cars....big block Chevelle's were rare to see when they were new, now they almost seem to be a common car. He,he...depends on where you were located... My high school was almost next door to the Chevy dealership... Around 68, the front row of the best used cars they displayed, were four 66 SS396 hardtops, and one SS396 conv. All five were purchased by 5 kids in my class. One was a kid we hung around with, and he took the cheapest one with that odd dark teal color that was not a good seller. They were all priced between $1695 to $1895 I honestly think that the used car manager bought these at auction and knew they would sell to our school students Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, F&J said: He,he...depends on where you were located... My high school was almost next door to the Chevy dealership... Around 68, the front row of the best used cars they displayed, were four 66 SS396 hardtops, and one SS396 conv. All five were purchased by 5 kids in my class. One was a kid we hung around with, and he took the cheapest one with that odd dark teal color that was not a good seller. They were all priced between $1695 to $1895 I honestly think that the used car manager bought these at auction and knew they would sell to our school students Now you have me thinking about our high school cars.. lol,... There were at least two more SSbig block Chevelles. One was a new 66 SS396 black coupe, purchased for twin sons to share, by a wealthy milk distribution family. Right after they graduated, they also got a new Corvette. They still own both cars, and when I asked around some years ago, It was said the cars are ultra low mile and mint, but never used. The other SS 66/67 Chevelle was controversial at school. He said it was a SS427 with the center grille emblem that said that. Classmates said it was faked? IDK Also, a classmate bought a new 67 SS Impala HT 427 4 speed. And two brothers that worked afternoons/summers caddying at a uppity golf country club, both bought new: a 68 SS396 Chevelle conv, and the other bought a 69 Camaro SS coupe that was HP SBC?, but I don't recall the size. Fords: a 64 Galaxie R code 427-4speed that a friend kept for two decades outside and sold it for peanuts right before the nostalgia craze hit! ..it was that awful tan/pinkish flesh color. A kid who's dad died and mom got a huge settlement, the kid bought two cars at different times from the once famous Tasca Ford dealership, one was a stunning 68 mustang coupe, medium/dark blue metallic, 428 Cobrajet 4-speed. That car survived and last I knew it was sitting in a residential garage with a blown-up motor. That orig owner sold the 68 in late 68/early 69 and bought another new Tasca Mustang, but I don't recall...it was a more powerful/expensive one. all of the cars I spoke of were 4 speeds. interesting to me that I cannot recall any notable HP Mopars? This was a dying ex-mill town, with mostly blue collar kids, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyking Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 3 hours ago, F&J said: and he took the cheapest one with that odd dark teal color that was not a good seller. I now find that was the best color they offered that year!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, Skyking said: I now find that was the best color they offered that year!! I agree completely. I even saw a 65 Chevelle SS (5-10 years ago) with what appeared to be the same? I just don't recall a 65 in that color back then. The one I did see, was repainted a totally different color, but that dark teal was on the jambs where the repaint had peeled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 What's rare in one locality does not mean its rare in a different part of the world. A Holden Monaro is rarely seen in North America, but to an Australian, there as common as a Chevrolet here., Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyking Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 17 hours ago, F&J said: I agree completely. I even saw a 65 Chevelle SS (5-10 years ago) with what appeared to be the same? I just don't recall a 65 in that color back then. The one I did see, was repainted a totally different color, but that dark teal was on the jambs where the repaint had peeled. I have a friend that has a '67 Chevelle SS that dark teal with a black vinyl top that's outstanding!! I'm not sure either if the '65 offered that color. I guess a Goggle search for paint chips could confirm it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Rare is when the beholder's eyes are limited in number. Or an unusual combination, but associated.. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin j Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I grew up in a small farm town but we had two supper birds and a judge on the street I lived on. I did not think they were rare and still don’t think that the judge is rare. In 1979 I dated a woman who got one of the birds in a divorce. She was butt ugly and I was OK with that if it meant I might get the bird. She totaled it a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It is interesting but some of the really desirable cars today were not popular when new. Remember a Ford dealer in Miami in 66-67 (is a bit of a blur) that had a whole bunch of new early GT-350s. Not 100% sure but think they were advertised at $2995. If anyone cares to research the Miami Herald I'm sure you could find the adv't. 67-69 Z-28s languished in Florida because they were not available with automagic or AC. In 1978 I had to put down a $1000 deposit at the Delray Pontiac dealer to order a Sunbird that was not available with AC. 63 built. Later traded that car for a set of wheels. Had the GTP out today, fun car that surprises M3s and AMGs. 47 built in '93, the last of an era, and has no appreciable value. For me, each of my cars is different, fun, and did not buy to appreciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) How rare is this car?? or what is it? Edited July 27, 2016 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD in KC Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Not rare. '53 or '54 Packard. Edited July 27, 2016 by JD in KC (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I recently went to look at a 37 Cadillac that was never produced based on production figures. It is body #3. Story is 12 were produced. Number 6 is known. No one knows where the 12 came from, even GM Heritage has no numbers. Is it "Rare" or just "Unique"? Trying to buy it so no more details now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 As far as old cars go (not steaks), I would call this rare: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/07/a-very-rare-old-car/ This is one of the coolest, errr, most cool old cars I've ever seen. Cheers, Grog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhd58 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 how about just the engine, A 226 G series Ford 6 cylinder. Used only in 41,42 (limited production) and early 46. to the point not all parts are available now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarredKnightfan Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 Hadn't planned to respond to this, but since I've apparently already used up my quota of "likes" & can't "like" anymore comments now, figured I'd just type a quick "thank you" for the discussion to all. Cort > www.oldcarsstronghearts.com pigValve.paceMaker.cowValve | 1979 Caprice Classic (needs new owner) "It helps fill an empty place" __ Charly McClain __ 'Radio Heart' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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