8E45E Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Yes, a 1934. Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, alsancle said: Steve, I think it is a Studebaker Land Cruiser. Thanks AJ, Craig & Bryan. Assume 33, 34? Looked very much like a Hup to me, except the lights didn't make sense as they are faired in on the Hups. I didn't note the make on this old pic. and wouldn't have thought Studebaker. I would imagine relatively inexpensive and sporty compared to a lot of competition, not sure I would call this, or a Hup sedan for that matter, a "club sedan" but the lack of the quarter windows make them pretty attractive. Edited January 12, 2023 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, alsancle said: Steve, I think it is a Studebaker Land Cruiser. yes, and again 1934 oops, late in Edited January 12, 2023 by bryankazmer (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said: Thanks AJ, Craig & Bryan. Assume 33, 34? Looked very much like a Hup to me, except the lights didn't make sense as they are faired in on the Hups. I didn't note the make on this old pic. and wouldn't have thought Studebaker. I would imagine relatively inexpensive and sporty compared to a lot of competition, not sure I would call this, or a Hup sedan for that matter, a "club sedan" but the lack of the quarter windows make them pretty attractive. I believe that example pictured is this car: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/general-studebaker-specific-discussion/108960-1934-president-year-ahead-land-cruiser Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Yep my pic was taken at Klingberg CT around the same time of the Greenwich, CT concours which was mentioned in the article. Assume owner is relatively local. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: Hey there Bob! Someone mentioned Cord on page one, but no photos were given. Me? I always lean toward slightly earlier (or a lot earlier!) cars. One of my all-time favorite production sedans was Buick's master series oval window brougham. 1926/'27 is best, 1928 begins to get a bit swoopy for me. I couldn't find a really good picture after about a half hour with google. But this one isn't too bad. Harvested from a website that I am pretty sure had it misidentified as a 1924, so I won't name them unless asked. The cars are much more impressive in person than this small picture. Fifty years ago, I knew of three of these cars! Now I haven't seen one up close in over thirty years. Wayne: Here was a mostly original 1927-51 in the HPOF section at Hershey several years ago. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Farmer Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) How about another production Graham - the 1939 Graham Spirit of Motion? Edited January 12, 2023 by Michigan Farmer Attach another picture (see edit history) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Michigan Farmer said: How about another production Graham - the 1939 Graham Spirit of Motion? The last two are Combi-Coupes but I agree that the 4 door sedan is attractive, although not for everyone's tastes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 How could we forget the 135" Royale sedan? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 I can't remember but I think this was a Lebaron body on the Royale 152" wheelbase. A one off that is not known to exist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 And the best looking sedan of them all. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 The production 152" wheelbase 852 body. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just noticed the door hinge way up top, (Red Car) does it service both doors? Edited January 12, 2023 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass is Best Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Here are a couple of my favorites: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just noticed the door hinge way up top, does it service both doors? I'm guessing yes Bob. But I have never seen that car in person. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 We have mentioned the Cord and also the Spirit of Motion Graham, the Hollywood is also attractive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Hands down one of my favorite all time sedan designs. Since we are crawling with Packard guys here, is this the one that was a taxi in Mexico? There were three built? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 We didn't forget the 34-37 V16 did we? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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58L-Y8 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: A Berline is supposed to have a divider window. However, and I don't know really why? (I think a few people were misinformed?) But a few people I have known have had Lincolns or other club sedans without a divider window, that they were insistent had to be called a "Berline". I guess whatever makes one happy. And, I wonder? If it does have a divider window? Can it be called a sedan? A berline is a sedan that is upholstered throughout in the same fabric but is fitted with a partition (divider) window that can be lowered when not in use. The idea was to equip the car flexibly to be owner-driven with the partition window lowered but when needed for chauffeur-driven formal occasions have it available to raise. If the driver's compartment is leather upholstered, its then considered an enclosed-drive limousine, not intended to be owner-driven. The social conventions of chauffeur-driven era cars faded away by the advent of WWII, except perhaps in isolated 'old money' circles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Back in 1931, this Ruxton may very well have been considered the finest Sedan design of the time, it was remarkable not only for its bold engineering, but also for its low overall height of just 53 inches, over a foot and a half shorter than the average car of the day. Ledwinka opted to delete the then-common running boards as well, further enhancing the car’s long and low appearance. My vote for American manufactured cars. And yes, the paint scheme is authentic! Edited January 12, 2023 by Gunsmoke (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Hands down one of my favorite all time sedan designs. Since we are crawling with Packard guys here, is this the one that was a taxi in Mexico? There were three built? A.J.: Yes, this design masterpiece survived in Mexico doing taxi duty until Dr. Charles Blackman rescued it. It was designed by a young Art Fitzpatrick who was hired by Dutch Darrin to do design development in his Sunset Boulevard shop. The construction began there but was finished in Connersville, IN when Packard contracted with Central Manufacturing (Auburn) to build the fifty 1940 convertible victorias. It was bought by the president of Phillips Petroleum from a Texas dealership. The other two sport sedans are much less customized than this car, they still have running boards in place! Probably won't surprise you to know that this Packard Darrin Sport Sedan is an all-time favorite of mine as well. Steve 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: Yes, this design masterpiece survived in Mexico doing taxi duty until Dr. Charles Blackman rescued it. It was designed by a young Art Fitzpatrick who was hired by Dutch Darrin to do design development in his Sunset Boulevard shop. The construction began there but was finished in Connersville, IN when Packard contracted with Central Manufacturing (Auburn) to build the fifty 1940 convertible victorias. It was bought by the president of Phillips Petroleum from a Texas dealership. The other two sport sedans are much less customized than this car, they still have running boards in place! Probably won't surprise you to know that this Packard Darrin Sport Sedan is an all-time favorite of mine as well. Steve Not much customization on the maroon one, over and beyond the convertible sedan that was built in larger numbers. Also, there were just two designs of 1940 Darrin Sport Sedans, and just ONE was built in each design. The other 1940 Darrin sport sedan (pictured here) was of totally different than the maroon one, and which I prefer, even though it has sidemounts and running boards, which it doesn't really need, but is large enough to carry it off. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 From the pictures ....a car sure dosnt have to be a million $$ car to be beautiful......and some of the big $ cars actually have something a little odd or off about them in style.A few yes for sure are great......but from all the pictures i see here and a couple I never paid much attention to.......I think a few mid range models are winners in style 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 18 hours ago, pkhammer said: Edsel knew what a good looking car was, right Mr. Dobbin? If that's Edsel's car, it pays to know the boss. Black Cherry paint, 16" Kelsey Hayes wheels, two tone paint. None of which were standard on this Deluxe 1933 Ford Fordor, but I like it. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, West Peterson said: Not much customization on the maroon one, over and beyond the convertible sedan that was built in larger numbers. Also, I don't think more than two were made (maybe just this one?). The other Darrin sport sedan was of a totally different design. I prefer this one, even though it has sidemounts and running boards, which it doesn't really need, but is large enough to carry it off. West: The maroon car (Style No. 720) was the first of the sport sedans; does share a good deal of its proportions with the ~ ten convertible sedans (Style No. 710) which came after the sport sedan build began in California. These two Darrin sport sedans are Style No. 730 which was an effort to create the style without the extensive modifications the Styles 720 and 710 entailed. The hood and cowl, though extended rearward, those as well as the radiator shroud and hood section heights were not lowered as much as the other four door styles or as were the convertible victorias. Retaining the standard fenders and running boards reduced the cost though does detract somewhat from the general verve of the design. The sole 1941 Darrin sport sedan is this build configuration as well. Of course, compared to the standard factory sedans, they were a major improvement. Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, arcticbuicks said: From the pictures ....a car sure dosnt have to be a million $$ car to be beautiful......and some of the big $ cars actually have something a little odd or off about them in style.A few yes for sure are great......but from all the pictures i see here and a couple I never paid much attention to.......I think a few mid range models are winners in style There are a number of fairly reasonably priced cars in this thread. There are also some very expensive ones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Gunsmoke said: Back in 1931, this Ruxton may very well have been considered the finest Sedan design of the time, it was remarkable not only for its bold engineering, but also for its low overall height of just 53 inches, over a foot and a half shorter than the average car of the day. Ledwinka opted to delete the then-common running boards as well, further enhancing the car’s long and low appearance. My vote for American manufactured cars. And yes, the paint scheme is authentic! I respectfully disagree in every category. Interesting? Yes. Fun, yes. Quality...nope. Fit, finish, and engineering, uninspired. Drive one.......and you will wish you had a Packard 110 instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: West: The maroon car (Style No. 720) was the first of the sport sedans; does share a good deal of its proportions with the ~ ten convertible sedans (Style No. 710) which came after the sport sedan build began in California. Steve Thanks for the clarification, Steve. I didn't realize the sedan was built first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 In 1936, Dodge Brothers won a design award for their beautiful cars. Here is the one I had....D2 touring sedan.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Drysdale Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1933 RR PII Continental 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, edinmass said: I respectfully disagree in every category. Interesting? Yes. Fun, yes. Quality...nope. Fit, finish, and engineering, uninspired. Drive one.......and you will wish you had a Packard 110 instead. Ed: Maybe you can tell us about what fun a Ruxton would be to own when the fan belt breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just throwing in something from left field. I am not a particular fan of British cars - so many of their sedans (saloons) have what to me is 'awkward' styling. Most have restricted space in the rear seat, even the more expensive ones. Here are a few Rileys. I knew the owner of the first one, a 1934 12/6 (1500cc six) Mentone, restored in the early 1970s. I see its registration was cancelled in 2015 and I think it has been sold overseas. The others are all Riley Kestrels of various years from circa 1934-39. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, edinmass said: I respectfully disagree in every category. Interesting? Yes. Fun, yes. Quality...nope. Fit, finish, and engineering, uninspired. Drive one.......and you will wish you had a Packard 110 instead. Based upon my experience with the late Henry Martin's Ruxton, working on it in LaPlace, Louisiana with his late grandson Kim Martin, I'll echo Ed's comments: "Interesting? Yes. Fun, yes. Quality...nope. Fit, finish, and engineering, uninspired. Drive one.......and you will wish you had a Packard 110 instead." The paint job was very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 This Rolls-Royce PIII lives local to me. The owner who has several R-Rs rebuilt it himself from a 'wreck'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrhd29nz Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1938 English Bodied Hudson 8. a very attractive car. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: Here are a few Rileys. I knew the owner of the first one, a 1934 12/6 (1500cc six) Mentone, restored in the early 1970s. I prefer the Monaco in those years. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 There are those that might argue the Citroen traction avant is one of the best looking pre-WW2 sedans. Good enough that it remained in production until the mid 1950s. In the first photo is a 1938 example wearing a mix of post WW2 wheels. photo taken just a few months ago at our club grass gymkhana. The silver/grey car dates from 1939. The third photo illustrates the difference between the post-war model (the car in the foreground dates from 1952) and the pre-war models (this one is from 1938). All of these cars will have been built in the British Citroen factory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: A berline is a sedan that is upholstered throughout in the same fabric but is fitted with a partition (divider) window that can be lowered when not in use. The idea was to equip the car flexibly to be owner-driven with the partition window lowered but when needed for chauffeur-driven formal occasions have it available to raise. If the driver's compartment is leather upholstered, its then considered an enclosed-drive limousine, not intended to be owner-driven. The social conventions of chauffeur-driven era cars faded away by the advent of WWII, except perhaps in isolated 'old money' circles. That is almost exactly the distinction I arrived at for myself. After listening to and reading a dozen sources. The frustrating part is that several cars I have seen in the "club sedan" style were vehemently claimed as "berlines" when in fact they did not have any divider window. These were cars I was close enough to to put my hands inside the car, and even a couple invited to sit inside. I suspect some owners like the fancy term, and I don't argue with them. Some cars, the true berlines, did have divider windows (usually down). One on the other hand, if I recall correctly a 1927 Lincoln that I was inside, I think had an adjustable front seat. The owner, a fellow I had known somewhat for several years, had always referred to the car as "the berline". There was certainly no place in that car for a divider window. I noticed this because it was one of the earliest sedans I had ever seen that the front seat wasn't even attached to the door pillars. As I said earlier. I think some of the owners were misinformed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 A couple of Bentleys, from 1935 and 1939. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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