Billy Kingsley Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 I just got my 2023 US Mint catalog today and when I turned to the American Innovation Dollar page, I discovered my new favorite US coin, supplanting the Augustus Saint Gaudens $20 of 1907-33. I don't know what the pioneer era car pictured is, but I recognize the Duesenberg and the modern Indy car. Unlike the $20 I'll actually be able to add this one to my collection. The question now is coin collection or automobilia collection? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Why not one for both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Good lord… they’ve depicted a replica Duesenberg!!! Sheesh almighty!!???? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, West Peterson said: Good lord… they’ve depicted a replica Duesenberg!!! Sheesh almighty!!???? How are you distinguishing between the real and the replica? These coins will be available only from the mint (or secondarily from coin dealers who may buy them from the mint). They are legal tender and can circulate, but they are made only for collectors. The mint charges a premium of about 20% over face value if you buy them in bags of 100 or more. I'll stock up and spend them at car shows. Edited June 1, 2023 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) Yeah, the whole car is wrong. Exhaust pipes are on the wrong side, skirted fenders, front bumper not exactly right, and to add insult to injury they put pilot rays on it. Edited June 1, 2023 by K8096 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Well... skirted fenders and Pilot Ray lights are authentic. It's the exhaust that is the big giveaway. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Gotta watch out for those fakes. Even if the exhaust is on the proper side the Mustang shifter will raise suspicion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Skelly Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Billy Kingsley said: I just got my 2023 US Mint catalog today and when I turned to the American Innovation Dollar page, I discovered my new favorite US coin, supplanting the Augustus Saint Gaudens $20 of 1907-33. I don't know what the pioneer era car pictured is, but I recognize the Duesenberg and the modern Indy car. Billy, I still think the St. Gaudens coins look better. Since the coin represents Indiana, the horseless carriage is probably a Haynes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepher Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 I was going to buy a few as soon as they are released, but given the way the car is messed up, I may not. I noticed the exhaust pipes right away, it's a shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Maybe the reflection has reversed the image? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Maybe it is an ultra rare left hand exhaust conversion on the J, The Haynes Apperson looks nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 I checked the website of the United States MInt (www.usmint.gov). These dollar coins will go on sale June 26, in either rolls of 25 or bags of 100. https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-innovation-1-coin-2023-rolls-and-bags-indiana-MASTER_INNOVATIONIN.html#_ga=2.120164047.696376708.1685654255-1430110271.1682212537&_gl=1*7tdyl0*_ga*MTQzMDExMDI3MS4xNjgyMjEyNTM3*_ga_804PW1F121*MTY4NTY1NDI1NS41LjAuMTY4NTY1NDI1NS42MC4wLjA.&start=1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Joel Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 The coins went on sale 8 minutes ago. I ordered a couple of bags, one from Denver and one from Philadelphia. Should be a fun keepsake and something to hand out to kids and stuff like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, Hemi Joel said: The coins went on sale 8 minutes ago. I ordered a couple of bags, one from Denver and one from Philadelphia. Should be a fun keepsake and something to hand out to kids and stuff like that Hey Joel………can you spare a dime? Or a few hundred dollars……….fuel for the JN is killing me! 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Methinks some of you may be overly critical. The engraver probably never heard of a Duesenberg until told to engrave the design; and looked up a picture on the internet (which is NEVER wrong!). I am just happy that the mint decided to place some early automobiles on their coins. Jon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 6 hours ago, carbking said: Methinks some of you may be overly critical. Well, it's a few days until July. That gives 5 months for someone to beat out the current understatement of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 12 hours ago, 60FlatTop said: Well, it's a few days until July. That gives 5 months for someone to beat out the current understatement of the year. check your math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 19 hours ago, edinmass said: Hey Joel………can you spare a dime? Or a few hundred dollars……….fuel for the JN is killing me! 😉 My Gramps always said; " Don't by the yacht if you can't afford the gas." 😉🙃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepher Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Despite the very wrong Duesenberg on the coins, I purchased a roll. Hopefully they're not worth more for scrap weight than face value, soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 11 hours ago, zepher said: Despite the very wrong Duesenberg on the coins, I purchased a roll. Hopefully they're not worth more for scrap weight than face value, soon. Zepher, you don't want them to be worth more for metal content than for face value? Actually, there is only base metal in them--nothing precious. They will always be worth a dollar. Maybe slightly more, eventually, as collectibles. Have fun spending them at the next car show! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Joel Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Us dedicated car guys can pick out all the flaws. But most people won't know. Still a fun thing to have available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 On a totally unrelated, but similar subject: In 1957, my parents purchased a set of encyclopedia to help me with homework, and to save them trips to the local library. The current study in science was snakes, so when the books arrived, I immediately turned to the picture of a rattlesnake. The "rattlesnake" pictured had a skin of solid dark background (the picture was black and white), and featured three light-colored longitudinal stripes. After that, the encyclopedia received very little use; and we still made trips to the library. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Joel Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, carbking said: On a totally unrelated, but similar subject: In 1957, my parents purchased a set of encyclopedia to help me with homework, and to save them trips to the local library. The current study in science was snakes, so when the books arrived, I immediately turned to the picture of a rattlesnake. The "rattlesnake" pictured had a skin of solid dark background (the picture was black and white), and featured three light-colored longitudinal stripes. After that, the encyclopedia received very little use; and we still made trips to the library. Jon And yet, your 1957 encyclopedia is still vastly more accurate than today's "misinformation superhighway" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, carbking said: n 1957, my parents purchased a set of encyclopedia to help me with homework, and to save them trips to the local library. In 1959 my mother helped me buy the five volume set of Mcgraw Hill mechanics books by William Crouse. They are still good reading and accurate, much more accurate than the "mechanics" I had been listening to at the garages and junkyards in town. "Homework". That has me laughing right now. The dining room table was right inside our front door. My school books were always right there on the corner. Coming in and leaving. Still off topic, when I was in Junior High the English teacher assigned American literature to read. One Author was Brett Hart. I took the test on the story and got every question wrong except one. The teacher looked at me dumbfounded and asked "How can you get every quest wrong on the test except one?" I replied "The reward is always $10,000." He didn't know that? I have had to live with that kind of situation most of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagefinds Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Slight subject change but on the subject of"Who in the hell checks the authenticity?" Old movie,7 brides for 7 brothers". Pretty good one,watched it with the former wife a time or two. Then there is a series spinoff of the same title. In one scene the brothers are headed out in an alleged " whiteout" to look for someone who is lost,the oldest says we'll head for an area between that ridge over there 20 miles away,and that one there 15 miles away. In a "whiteout" you can't see the fence in front of the house,let alone that ridge 20 miles away. Then in another episode they are going to lose the farm because the 8N style FORD tractor has a bad driveshaft,they don't have money to fix it and without it they can't get the harvest in and will go broke and lose the farm. So in one scene one of the brothers is under the tractor supposedly welding on the driveshaft to patch it up,I don't know what he's welding on but it's not the driveshaft. You can't even see the driveshaft unless you split the tractor in half. In a later scene they have a new shaft and the farm is saved. But this one has two shielded U-joints like you would run a baler off the power takeoff with. I suppose the average city slicker wouldn't have thought anything about it all but I almost fell out of my chair. Not that I'm a farmer but I did work for my uncle who farmed and ranched north of Rapid City some summers when I was a kid and can recognize rediculousness when I see it. Anybody else see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepher Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I received my roll of coins the other day. I have not broken open the roll but the coins do look nice, albeit they are smaller than I expected. The coins are just a tad larger than a quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Joel Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) Did anyone ever get their coins? I got stiffed. I ordered and paid for 2 bags. When they didn't show up after a couple weeks I emailed the mint. They replied that they had not yet made them, but would notify me when they ship. So I waited 10 weeks, then contacted them again. They said they had already been delivered to me. But they hadn't, so I asked for tracking info and proof of delivery. They said that they could not provide that since 30 days had gone by and they only keep that stuff for 30 days. I hate when that happens. Edited August 13 by Hemi Joel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Yes. The mint does a good job of customer service. You can watch their website and see when things become available. That particular coin, issued in 2023 only, I see is available now only in (leftover) 2023 proof sets, in which you'll get all four dollars issued in 2023. The set includes only one of that car-themed coin: https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-innovation-2023-1-coin-proof-set-23GA.html?cgid=american-innovation-1-coins#_ga=2.89268575.574517436.1723517502-2028573682.1720016722&_gl=1*8n3sjq*_gcl_au*NDQ0NDgxMDgwLjE3MjAwMTY3MjA.*_ga*MjAyODU3MzY4Mi4xNzIwMDE2NzIy*_ga_804PW1F121*MTcyMzUxNzUwMi44LjEuMTcyMzUxNzU5NS4yNy4wLjA.&start=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46 woodie Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Sorry Billy, it's going to take a nicer coin than the Duesenberg Dollar to surpass the Ultra High Relief, 1907 Double Eagle, designed by Augustus Saint-Gaudens as the most beautiful coin ever minted. I think it's now valued somewhere around $2,250,000! That Duesenberg coin will never be worth more than one dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Skelly Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) speaking of St. Gaudens, I saw this circa-1895 sculpture by him in the Indianapolis Museum of Art last month: Edited August 13 by Jim Skelly (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 2 hours ago, 46 woodie said: 1907 Double Eagle, designed by Augustus Saint-Gaudens as the most beautiful coin ever minted. I think it's now valued somewhere around $2,250,000! Hmm, I remember my brother telling me he bought a bag of coins many years ago to help settle an estate. I bought a few silver dollars from him that I still have. I wonder if he still has the eagles that he wouldn't sell me. He doesn't need the money, but I should ask if he put me in his will. LOL He should be getting back from his golf trip in Scotland pretty soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 3 hours ago, JACK M said: ...my brother telling me he bought a bag of coins many years ago to help settle an estate. ...I wonder if he still has the eagles that he wouldn't sell me. Don't worry, he won't have any "Ultra High Relief" double eagles ($20 gold pieces) from an estate. Those were special experimental coins, of which a few were made as the design was being first developed. They weren't released for circulation. But even common eagles ($10 gold) made up to 1933 have about half an ounce of gold, and therefore have at least their gold value. Those are readily available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepher Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I purchased 2 rolls of the Duesenberg coins and received both rolls some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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