Pebble Beach 2022

[1937hd45]

August 21,2022, Is anyone going? Car Week is one of the best events all year, can't go this year, but I'll post a few photos from our first year 2016. Flew into Burbank and drove up the coast with my daughter. Had a great time, but as with all first times we have learned a lot and the following trips were better planed and we had more fun. The cars pictured impressed me or had some personal connection. Please add your photos and reflections. Bob 

Edited August 2, 2022 by 1937hd45 (see edit history)

[Grimy]

I'll be there, mostly hanging around with my Evil Twin Bob Jacobsen, who's showing his 1933 Pierce-Arrow V-12 model 1242 convertible sedan, and also basking in the glowing presence of @edinmass.

 

Alas, there won't be the post-tour lineup on Ocean Ave on Thursday, apparently due to continuing COVID concerns.

 

As for a personal recollection, I managed a (distant) 3rd in class in 2010 with my 1930 Pierce-Arrow roadster (a 10-year-old restoration with 10K miles on it), and it was the thrill of a lifetime to drive over the ramp.  A mortician couldn't have erased the S.E. grin from my face for the next three weeks!

[1937hd45]

That sure is sad news, the Ocean Avenue post tour line up is about the best free car show on earth. The shop  and restaurant owners are not going to like the missed income. 

[edinmass]

It’s the shop and restaurant owners who complained from what I was told. Apparently business is good enough without the cars being on the road. As a participant it’s always a hassle. I have had damage there three times from pocketbooks. I like meeting all the people, but I won’t miss downtown. Sadly that’s the only way many people could view the cars. After 70 years the shops know they’re gonna do the business regardless of the vehicles being there. 

Edited August 2, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[alsancle]

I won't miss the Ocean Ave fiasco either.

[alsancle]

[alsancle]

[edinmass]

Always a good time visiting with friends at the 18th hole. 

[SC38dls]

I hope you all have a fun successful week. If allowed post some pics of the cars you are bringing, that way even if we can’t go (like me) we get to see the winners!  
dave s 

[TTR]

"reflections" ?

 

Well, here's couple of mine and I know they may not be pleasing top everyone, but...

 

Having attended or participated in various "Monterey Car Week" events in variety of capacities since '93, I've experienced/seen a lot of changes over the years, including rises and falls of some events, ever growing overall attendance by spectators, now including hoards of those into all “luxury lifestyle” events & things to a point of excessive overcrowding along with every kind of problem it brings along.

 

And now that I finally last week got my Roadster back together, up and running again after 8 months of it being sidelined due to a sudden need of complete engine rebuild (+ clutch, transmission & steering gear overhauls and other smaller “while you’re there” services), I might drive up and perhaps even attend PB this year, but if it's anything like last, I’ll be leaving premises by or before Noon and possibly making this my last attendance (at least as a spectator), as it's not worth the hassle of aforementioned excessive overcrowding, etc, even with free ticket(s) I get usually gifted.

 

Yet, I still wish to suggest that anyone who's seriously into antique/classic/vintage cars and has never been, should attend, not only PB, but as many Monterey Car Week events they can, at least once in their life (and remember to bring your big boy wallet, as there's not many inexpensive events or lodgings available during that time).

OTOH, one should also be prepared for possible disappointments, especially when it comes to the aforementioned overcrowding + logistical and traffic concerns, etc it brings.

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by TTR (see edit history)

[BobinVirginia]

11 hours ago, Grimy said:

I'll be there, mostly hanging around with my Evil Twin Bob Jacobsen, who's showing his 1933 Pierce-Arrow V-12 model 1242 convertible sedan, and also basking in the glowing presence of @edinmass.

 

Alas, there won't be the post-tour lineup on Ocean Ave on Thursday, apparently due to continuing COVID concerns.

 

As for a personal recollection, I managed a (distant) 3rd in class in 2010 with my 1930 Pierce-Arrow roadster (a 10-year-old restoration with 10K miles on it), and it was the thrill of a lifetime to drive over the ramp.  A mortician couldn't have erased the S.E. grin from my face for the next three weeks!

Good pic! 

[BobinVirginia]

3 hours ago, alsancle said:

That’s one heck of a bench to rest on!! Forget tailgating at a game!!!

[Walt G]

Love the photo of the puppy in the car! he doesn't have to wear a blue blazer, tie, special hat

I wonder if that Moon raceabout was the one that Austin Clark had sitting in his garage at home in Glen Cove, NY for decades.

[BobinVirginia]

12 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

August 21,2022, Is anyone going? Car Week is one of the best events all year, can't go this year, but I'll post a few photos from our first year 2016. Flew into Burbank and drove up the coast with my daughter. Had a great time, but as with all first times we have learned a lot and the following trips were better planed and we had more fun. The cars pictured impressed me or had some personal connection. Please add your photos and reflections. Bob 

Thanks for sharing the pics! The Underslung is so cool! 

[1937hd45]

1 hour ago, Walt G said:

Love the photo of the puppy in the car! he doesn't have to wear a blue blazer, tie, special hat

I wonder if that Moon raceabout was the one that Austin Clark had sitting in his garage at home in Glen Cove, NY for decades.

Yes it is! It was on the 1950 Glidden Tour with the 1912 T that is in my garage. It was the very first car I saw on the lawn at Pebble Beach. Bigger than it looks in photos and unrestored as Austin found it, that was a real surprise, I'd always thought it was an early restoration. Bob

 

[1937hd45]

1 hour ago, BobinVirginia said:

Thanks for sharing the pics! The Underslung is so cool! 

That is part of the Petersen Collection, actually I think the L.A. County owns it and other cars that are housed in the Petersen. 

[edinmass]

 

This is the best use for a Duesenberg I have ever found.......driving the hounds around town! And I also brought along the Boss. I miss my dog more than I miss the car.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[alsancle]

Mecum is selling J189.    Besides being a really cool Duesenbeg,  posting a link to it allows me to shamelessly post a picture of me working on it back in 1992.

 

https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0822-520605/1929-duesenberg-model-j-lagrande-blind-quarter-brougham/

 

This 1929 Duesenberg Model J LaGrande Blind Quarter Brougham is an ACD Category 1 Certified original car still carrying its original numbered firewall. The car was delivered to its first owner, Alice Paddock, on August 16, 1929 with a Weymann sedan body, though it was sent back to Duesenberg by its second owner in 1933 for an upgrade to its stunning LaGrande Blind Quarter Brougham style. With a still massive 142.5-inch wheelbase, the chassis is the shorter of the two originally available. The Model J rides on semi-elliptic parallel leaf springs front and rear with a solid beam front and banjo-type rear axle. Vacuum-assisted hydraulic drum brakes are found on all four corners, and the chrome-plated, 19-inch, Buffalo-type, steel-spoke wheels with cast brass hubs each house a red Duesenberg badge. The 420 CI DOHC straight-8 Lycoming engine produces 265 HP and has a single Stromberg carburetor. Power is sent to the rear axle by a floor-shifted, 3-speed manual transmission.

The body is the second on this chassis and is a LaGrande Blind Quarter Brougham. The body and fenders are finished in Maroon with a black fabric roof and an opening split V-windshield. Upper body moldings are a darker maroon with striping. Dual chrome-covered, side-mount spares with side mirrors accent both sides of the body, and a pair of chrome-plated Pilot Ray driving lights that turn with the front wheels brighten the way on the road. An optional “Duesenbird” mascot tops the massive chrome-plated radiator shell. Distinctive, plated Duesenberg dual-bar bumpers protect the front and rear, and a matching painted trunk offers storage at the rear of the chassis. The interior is trimmed in maroon cloth and carpet, and it’s further accented with wood moldings and lighted vanities.

After the original owner sold this car in 1933, the second owner, F.D. Daniels of Indianapolis, had the current LaGrande body installed. In 1936, it was sold to Brooke Postley of New York, who sold it to prominent Duesenberg collector John Troka of Chicago in 1937. In that same year, Troka sold this car to a Mr. Evanston of Norfolk, Virginia, who kept it until 1951 when it passed to Ralph Block of Houston, Texas. In 1955, Block sold the car to Charles Faulkner, who passed it on to Neil Rogers in 1956. In 1957, Rogers sold the car to Jim Hoe of Hoe Sportcar Garage in Weston, Connecticut, who was the most well-known Duesenberg specialist of his time. Mr. W. Wolin in New York took possession of this car at that time and kept it until 1961, when it was sold to Irving Gardner of Hunter, New York. Gardner sold the car to Everest Wilson of Rhinebeck, New York, in 1985, and Wilson kept it until 1992, when he sold it to Tommy Crook of Auburn, Washington. In 2007, Crook sold it to Thomas Rupf in Germany.

This Duesenberg is the result of a mechanical restoration completed in 1994 by Libby’s Classic Car Restoration Center in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, and it was previously featured on Page 177 of Fred Roe’s book, “Duesenberg: The Pursuit of Perfection.” This 1929 Duesenberg Model J LaGrande Blind Quarter Brougham marks a rare opportunity to own one of the most significant Duesenbergs, and it will certainly be the center of any classic car collection.

[John Bloom]

AJ, nice play........a cardiologist doesn’t look as confident with a stethoscope as you do. 

 

[1937hd45]

As I get older the short coupled sedans look better and better. How does an era swapped body effect things, is it a 1929 forever or is it a 1933 with the rebody? I'm not a player, but if I was  I might have an upholstery project.

 

Bob 

[34LaSalleClubSedan]

also, the loose top material looks sloppy as the interior seams.

[wayne sheldon]

I wouldn't want it. I mean, it has had fourteen different owners! How good can it be?

 

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[edinmass]

8 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

As I get older the short coupled sedans look better and better. How does an era swapped body effect things, is it a 1929 forever or is it a 1933 with the rebody? I'm not a player, but if I was  I might have an upholstery project.

 

Bob 

 

on this particular car, the rebody means nothing……it’s a numbers matching correct car. Great eyeball. It should bring better than the estimate if Pebble prices hold their trend.

[alsancle]

9 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

As I get older the short coupled sedans look better and better. How does an era swapped body effect things, is it a 1929 forever or is it a 1933 with the rebody? I'm not a player, but if I was  I might have an upholstery project.

 

Bob 

Bob, the body swap was in period by the factory,  it has zero effect on the value of the car.  

 

Colors haven't changed in 30 years.  Tom Crook owned it for a long time. 

 

Here is my Tom Crook story:    years and years ago I was sitting next to him at an auction pontificating on the death of the old car hobby based on demographics.  I was the young guy back then and I think I was hoping Duesenbergs would be selling for 10k again.    He just laughed at me and said, watch what happens.   He was right,  Duesenberg prices have tripled from the time we had the conversation.

 

If you bought a car from Tom,  and didn't like it you just shipped it back to him for your money back.  No questions asked.   Most honest used car dealer I have ever met.

[alsancle]

11 hours ago, John Bloom said:

AJ, nice play........a cardiologist doesn’t look as confident with a stethoscope as you do. 

 

 

There was a little rap in the engine somewhere.  I forget what it ended up causing it.   I don't want to hear any innuendo about this being a staged shot.   Even if it was.

[edinmass]

Two exceptionally rare photos you thought you would NEVER see in your lifetime. First is AJ doing actual work! Phill is in the background. Notice the color coordinated red collection cap on the trunk rack. Photo #2 is driving J357 on the 18th green........hard to explain what this is like to true car guys......kind of like all your buddies seeing you out on a date with a super model. Last photo......Phil Hill's BOS winning Pierce bought new by his aunt. The BEST part of pebble is the truck parking lot.....it's free.......don't tell anybody. 

 

PS- Yes...the parking lot is dirt.........and the car stays a mess......it's a pain in the ass that one would never believe unless you see it with your own eyes. 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[Steve Moskowitz]

Well, except in 1997 when we were pulling our two cars out of the carrier and noticed a famous concept car had been tied down a bit tight and the front wheels were splayed along with some body damage.  Not a great way to start the morning off but the trailer lot certainly was a sight to behold!  Have fun Ed, I am eagerly waiting to see the results of the auctions this year.  Some amazing stuff up for grabs.

[Walt G]

Lots of cars with amazing styling when new ( even the body swaps done when the cars were 3 to 5 years old) today see them "enhanced" (?????) by contrasting colors , which added to the plated or polished bits from new just detract from the styling and car as presented in the era. This is restoration of historic magnitude?  It is like looking at a great house in English Tudor style and painting the stucco orange, windows monkey vomit green and the wood trim purple. But it is the owners car and their choice and the old adage (excuse?) is " if you had an extra $50 then you could get it painted any color you want". And of course the best example of that would then be pointed to as proof - one car in an outlandish green/yellow etc when new justifying everything done since when a car is repainted or restored.

If my comments seem a bit severe I base my judgement on 5 decades of collecting period material , especially on design and color ( have about 400+ large color chips) and teaching art for 30+ years with a Master's Degree + in same. Yes, I wrote the laws for my village regarding Architectural compatibility to alter earlier structures and design new ones 30+ years ago. If you are in doubt as to what will work - talk to someone who can help you see what it will look like finished. I have had many ask me for my suggestion as to what colors they should paint their cars - both owners and restoration shops. Make the historic period look happen before you invest $1.000 + in buying the paint, primer, etc.

WG

Edited August 10, 2022 by Walt G (see edit history)

[Steve_Mack_CT]

On 8/2/2022 at 2:46 PM, edinmass said:

 

This is the best use for a Duesenberg I have ever found.......driving the hounds around town! And I also brought along the Boss. I miss my dog more than I miss the car.

 

 

Great pic Ed, but better sentiment noted.  Dogs just might be the only thing better than old cars!! 👍😊

[alsancle]

Let’s see if our astute forum members can find anything in common in these pictures.

[Paul Dobbin]

Those wheels & tires needed a lot of attention

[Steve_Mack_CT]

2 minutes ago, alsancle said:

Let’s see if our astute forum members can find anything in common in these pictures.

Skilled labor getting shorted as management appears to be socializing.

[edinmass]

 

I see ............the guy who let you drive a Duesenberg onto the 18th green deserves to get his balls busted while supervising PAID employees who are pretending to be busy but actually accomplishing nothing............Notice my poor posture from carrying  your weight all these years at Pebble. No need to thank me!

 

PS- Politicking with the IMPORTANT people is part of a collections managers job. I have been doing ok so far........hell....I didn't even charge you for a ride in that red Duesenberg.........the one that WON Best of Show at Pebble..........bet I can sell your seat in the car this year for a few bucks.......😎 The only thing your photo proves is I need to drop 20 pounds.......🤯

Edited August 9, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[SC38dls]

The ‘big’ boss is directing the workers on the details they missed. I’m sure he did this instruction phase of his absolute attention to the smallest detail of perfection in a kindly manor, as he is not only a gentleman but a very knowledgeable one regarding these details. 
dave s 

 

ps - Ed, keep the $100 but give me a ride in your Great White! 

[alsancle]

Paid?

[SC38dls]

41 minutes ago, alsancle said:

Paid?

Sure, lunch at Mickey D’s counts. 
dave s 

[Walt G]

ParticularAboutIndividualsDoing all the work..........................😎

[1937hd45]

 

Looks like this shot was taken driving off the field. 

[edinmass]

Yes….. off the field. AJ drove it on. 
 

AJ- yes paid. I let you buy me a 200 dollar dinner……..so you are technically paid.  It just happens to be negative pay!

 

And then there was the time I stoped those idiots from messing up your car.  Priceless!

 

I should probably Start charging you for allowing you to hang around with me. We should start it this year. Obviously it’s a cash only situation. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[Steve_Mack_CT]

In AJ's defense I have to say my initial reaction was photo #1 may well have like the famous Gable pics where he is  "working" on his Model J.  However, subsequent shots do seem to show hard labor.

 

The question really, is how on earth did you get him on whitewall detail, Ed??