trini Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Canadian shopping for parts or anything in the US must be careful sending cash in the mail. THE BANKS IN CANADA WILL NOT ISSUE US MONEY ORDER TO ANY ONE WHO DOES NOT PRESENT A SUBSTANTIAL ADDRESS. ABSOLUTELY NO PO BOX NUMBER. I had the experience 3 days ago. If American vendors want my business please give me a substantial traceable address Thank you. Edited November 3, 2021 by trini ERROR (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Bond Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Kinda confusing. Wondering what a "substantial address" is. Also not clear who has to have one. Us or Cabadian buyer or seller? If an American seller uses a PO box address are you saying a Canadian bank won't honor the payment? Lots of US companies use PO box addresses. Terry Edited November 3, 2021 by Terry Bond (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 If you send AMERICAN CASH to someone in the USA, what is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 If you do business, whether domestically or internationally, with any seller/vendor that can’t provide a safe/secure way, i.e. bank or PayPal, etc. account for direct deposit, credit card processing or old fashioned check via mail, to accept payments, you probably shouldn’t be doing (remote) business with them in the first place. Or if you do and something goes wrong, it’s your own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trini Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 When I say substantial address I mean an address that can be traced by the issuing bank in case something go wrong. (missing in PO while in transit) The bank will do a tracing and refund money. The Bank of Nova Scotia will not sell me US money order with a name whose address is a PO box #. It needs a house or business address. It also does not recommend sending cash through mail unless the package is registered but again the post office will not register a package with a PO Box number. Yes, the P Office will send a package or letter to a P O Box # but will not register it. That is the difference. Amazon or Federal Express will not deliver to a P O Box. In the past I sent cash in unregistered envelope to US D B members with no issues. I had guys from this club send me parts without payment and I sent money later. I have had bloggers send me parts and would not take money when offered. People are people regardless of country of origin. I am not in any way suggesting people with P O Box numbers are dishonest. But that is the way Canadian institutions do business. Integrity is becoming a scarce commodity these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Kingsley Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 There's a trick to get around that. I don't remember the exact details but if I recall correctly you put the address of the post office and your box is suite number. Have had to do this a couple of times from clueless sellers who don't trust po boxes for some brainless reason. Have had the same Po box address since 1995. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I sent a guy in Canada a US post office money order. He returned it to me and said it could not be cashed. I checked with the post office I bought it from and they confirmed. USPO money are no good there. I was quite surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skvitt Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, TAKerry said: I sent a guy in Canada a US post office money order. He returned it to me and said it could not be cashed. I checked with the post office I bought it from and they confirmed. USPO money are no good there. I was quite surprised. As far as I remember it must say "Negotiable Internationally" in order to be accepted outside of US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 What happened to to using PayPal? or if he is a vendor a good old credit card? But mailing cash? no no no no 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, John348 said: What happened to to using PayPal? or if he is a vendor a good old credit card? But mailing cash? no no no no My thoughts too. And countless cash apps. (Venmo, Cashapp, ApplePay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H.Boland Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 There are still some old timers out there that accept nothing but US cash. It's like playing Russian roulette . I sent him cash on two different occasions with no issues. The third time (about $200) it went missing. I can't recall what registration cost but as I recall he only had a PO box number and had to come to town once or twice a week to pick up his mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, TAKerry said: I sent a guy in Canada a US post office money order. He returned it to me and said it could not be cashed. I checked with the post office I bought it from and they confirmed. USPO money are no good there. I was quite surprised. Unless there has been some dramatic change, USPS has an international money order specifically for Canada. Ask for the pink one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trini Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 Yes. the pink one. It should say INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDER. Off course, some folks lives so far away from town with no mail deliveries so a Box is necessary. but Canadian banks do not care. You may not believe this. Recently about 50 miles from my home in the farm area. There was a roadside stall selling corn and other vegetables. There were no attendants. The sign said "put money in box and take change " 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 A 4 minutes ago, trini said: Yes. the pink one. It should say INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDER. Off course, some folks lives so far away from town with no mail deliveries so a Box is necessary. but Canadian banks do not care. You may not believe this. Recently about 50 miles from my home in the farm area. There was a roadside stall selling corn and other vegetables. There were no attendants. The sign said "put money in box and take change " A common sight in SW Ontario for decades. This was premium quality sweet corn your's for the taking at maximum .05 cents per cob. Then .10 cents, then .25 cents. per cob. Just leave some money in the box, Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trini Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 We must also remember we in this club are not millionairs , just poor folks having some fun in a hobby. Let us says some guy want to sell a distributor for 20 dollars. A one time deal. He is not going to register with Paypal or visa for that. They charge a fee for every transaction . We have to find a way to do business with each other in a way whereby we will all be winners 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I'm glad to give people parts they need to get a car mobile for free if they need it for a personal car. When I see it listed for sale on eBag for big $$ a month or 3 later......., not so happy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, trini said: They charge a fee for every transaction . We have to find a way to do business with each other in a way whereby we will all be winners Money orders over an international border are not that way in my opinion. It almost makes sense for USA>Canada if there are no other options available, but definitely isn't worth the time compared to a typical paypal fee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Well, perhaps some here don’t know or realize it, but most of the modern/western world societies abandoned use of checks/money orders and like over half a century ago. And after advent of these gizmos like these computers, etc (I’m told) handling/managing financial transactions has only become easier, faster and safer. Besides, PayPal fee on that $20 distributor sale is less than 60 cents. How much is a $20 money order + postage + envelope ? Perhaps it’s time to grow up, leave that 19th century horse & buggy mindset behind, step up to the brave new world of motorized machinery of automobiles, airplanes, space flight, … … and did I mention computers/internet/etc. Edited November 4, 2021 by TTR (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, trini said: We must also remember we in this club are not millionairs , just poor folks having some fun in a hobby. Let us says some guy want to sell a distributor for 20 dollars. A one time deal. He is not going to register with Paypal or visa for that. They charge a fee for every transaction . We have to find a way to do business with each other in a way whereby we will all be winners I am not questioning that, but dealing with cash in the mail was never a good idea 50 years ago. Now the poor folks are $200 poorer and have a little less fun for the sake of a few bucks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 12 hours ago, Bloo said: Unless there has been some dramatic change, USPS has an international money order specifically for Canada. Ask for the pink one. Thanks, I will keep this in mind the next time around. I dont think I have ever bought something from someone in the Great White North. This one time a fellow sent me a gift, and I obliged by paying him for it (although he expected no money in return). I did not tell the PO it was going out of the country, had no idea it made a difference. I did end up sending the guy a box of parts instead though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trini Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 This is a good conversation.We all learned something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 hours ago, TTR said: Well, perhaps some here don’t know or realize it, but most of the modern/western world societies abandoned use of checks/money orders and like over half a century ago. And after advent of these gizmos like these computers, etc (I’m told) handling/managing financial transactions has only become easier, faster and safer. Besides, PayPal fee on that $20 distributor sale is less than 60 cents. How much is a $20 money order + postage + envelope ? Perhaps it’s time to grow up, leave that 19th century horse & buggy mindset behind, step up to the brave new world of motorized machinery of automobiles, airplanes, space flight, … … and did I mention computers/internet/etc. I agree 100%, so many people dealing with old cars think their still in the old times with their cars. Me too at times. We just have to wake up and get our kids to teach us how to deal with this new world! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Ed Luddy said: "put money in box and take change " This is how I remember the good old days. There is a honey stand near me that still does this, I stop in there on occasion to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Lots of places near me with flowers and eggs doing this. It lets them make their " farm status " for property tax purposes without staff costs. Shipping to Canada is a " obstacle " at the best of times. Delivery time , a ton of extra cost, and a fair number of sellers simply don't want to do it at all. Pre covid I just used a U.S. address and picked the item up myself at my U.S. package place. I only live 15 minutes from the Canada / U.S border crossing so as easy as pie. Covid has brought my hobby purchases to a near stop. I sure hope things are resolved soon. Edited November 4, 2021 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Most likely it is not the guy dealing with the parts, or you sending the cash, but in the back of both parties minds now there is a level of mistrust of each. How many times did that envelope come in contact with different people and machines with cash in it? Where the opportunity to get "lost" can occur? Things just happen, and when it does it creates an unnecessary level of mistrust that could have been easily prevented if somebody just did their homework or just went out of their way just a little bit. Would you mail $2000 cash? or could you afford to take a chance with $200 cash? You are dealing with postal systems in two different countries, and I am sure there are subcontractors involved somewhere in between Edited November 4, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangster Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 15 hours ago, TTR said: Perhaps it’s time to grow up, leave that 19th century horse & buggy mindset behind, step up to the brave new world of motorized machinery of automobiles, airplanes, space flight, … … and did I mention computers/internet/etc. I buy and sell things occasionally on Marketplace and Kijiji. If it is not a cash porch pickup, I use bank etransfer which has become the most common way to do small purchases in Canada. BTW don't get me started about US postal money orders, a few years I got one for around $600 as a payment for my services to a customer in US. My Canadian banks would not cash it, so on my next trip to the US I tried to cash it at a post office in the north Detroit suburbs. I had to visit at least eight locations before I found a teller with enough cash in their drawer to cash it. Just sayin..........lesson learned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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