KevinVal Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) How dumb do these guys think people are? https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/monsey-1970-cutlass-supreme/6931063127.html "Mint condition...no rust". Only thing not rusted is the seats. Edited July 14, 2019 by KevinVal (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Looks like it’s been in a flood at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Here in the Northeast "rust" means there is a hole thru the body. Surface rust is "patina". It's not rust unless you can poke your finger thru it. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterc9 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 That Olds is in pretty good shape rustwise for upstate New York. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I wouldn't say scam, but I might say misrepresented. Probably some 16 year old kid that made what he feels is a good score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 for 3500. what the heck would you expect? sounds fair to me................. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Heck just the "westcoast " adds a few shekels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Hudson River Valley? Maybe the West Shore (Coast?) of the Hudson River? Roadsalt Central? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) That's probably close to market here in the North East. No it's not a Bargain. If you want those, check out my thread, I see lots of non bargain cars like this every day. I weed through them to bring you only the best bargains. Edited July 14, 2019 by auburnseeker (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Well, everyone in Texas who has their car stored this month, to keep it from being cooked in the sun, can see how the other half lives. Looks like an honest ad to me. Anyone calling that upstate New York needs to click the ad minus sign EIGHT times to get their bearings. Yesterday my wife and I took a ride out to where you can see Toronto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Remember anything north of the Island and City is considered Upstate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, misterc9 said: That Olds is in pretty good shape rustwise for upstate New York. I consider "upstate" New York anything north of the New York Thruway. Suffern is a town nearly as far south as you can go in that state. I'd say 99.9% of the state's land is farther north than Suffern. So, I guess Key West and Miami are in upstate Florida! Edited July 14, 2019 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Well the salt line starts just south of the PA NY line so the corrossion is as bad or worse the further North you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, John_S_in_Penna said: So, I guess Key West and Miami are in upstate Florida! Well, no, actually. Everything is upstate from Key West, so Miami is upstate from Key West, and Key West is the "bottom" of the State ... or sumthin'. But Miami is downstate from upstate YeeHaw Junction which is downstate from Paisley, so ... Cheers, Grog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Looks like a "rustfree" eastern car to me! If it was rusty, you could bounce basketballs through the quarters......😁 Yes, the trunk lid has issues, not rustfree in my book, but for an eastern car, looks good! It is a driver car, not a restoration car.👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42319DB34 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Green , Genuine GM Mark of Excellence Juneau Body ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, auburnseeker said: Remember anything north of the Island and City is considered Upstate. Actually to get this straight north of the Bronx is considered upstate. (ha ha) When my my Grandfather went grocery shopping in an A&P in Yonkers he used to say with his thick Irish brogue "he was driving upstate", it was 6 miles away from his apartment. Some of the most solid rust free cars were NYC cars. If stored inside, with mass transit, tolls traffic and difficult parking, limited their use. Just used for pleasure use when the weather was good. One of my cars was stored in a rented garage that the owner had to take a bus to get to, needless to say it came out once a month. Edited July 15, 2019 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, 48Firetruck said: In Northeast Ohio anything 10 years old or older that doesn't have holes big enough to throw a cat through is considered rust free... If the salt doesn't destroy them, the potholes will! Sounds like NYC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalowed Bill Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Looks to me that the car is no better or worse then many cars that I've seen come out of California, and touted as rust free. It certainly beats the hell out of some of the rusty eastern cars that have been restored. There certainly would be less surprises for a restorer. I would look at the car as if it were a good California core, for which the shipping has already been paid, and the travel insurance, not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalowed Bill said: Looks to me that the car is no better or worse then many cars that I've seen come out of California, and touted as rust free. It certainly beats the hell out of some of the rusty eastern cars that have been restored. There certainly would be less surprises for a restorer. I would look at the car as if it were a good California core, for which the shipping has already been paid, and the travel insurance, not an issue. I agree, I don't know how the OP thinks it is a scam, appears to be honest photos. That car is pretty solid for anywhere . It is far from perfect but is much further from being a rot box 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I don't think that's a scam, but it does illustrate the difference between "rust" and "rot." Most new and inexperienced hobbyists and quite a few older ones will think of "rust" as any oxidation on any surface. I have had dozens of people reject cars I'm selling because they spot "rust" on the undercarriage like this: Well, technically, yes, that's rust. There is iron oxide clinging to metal parts. I guess I won't deny that it's "rusty." You got me. But to an experienced hobbyist, there are different kinds of "rust" and the stuff that is just on the surface or on heavy metal parts like the driveshaft, suspension, rear axle, or springs, well, that doesn't really count. Even surface rust on floor pans isn't an issue until it becomes rot, or perforation, which means all the metal is gone and the structure might be compromised. But the presence of surface rust does not suggest anything of the sort. Rust under carpets is the same thing--moisture gets trapped under there, but it doesn't necessarily mean the car has been neglected, abused, or otherwise mistreated to the point where metal parts are compromised and require replacement. Surface scale isn't the same as deep-seated corrosion. This inexperience is why I never say "rust free" on any of my ads, but a car like the one in my photo above is about as close as you're going to get to "rust free" on a 55-year-old vehicle in the real world. Call me out for being a scammer, but there's a definite difference between "rust" and "rot" with only one of those things being something you should worry about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erichill Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 If I am not mistake you can see through the bottom of the driver's door in the one photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalowed Bill Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Eric, If your referring to photo #10, I believe you are looking for a speaker hole that's cut in the carpeting on the door panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) I had one car like Matt's photo, came from New Hampshire. Almost didn't buy but was odd. I spent three days with it up in the air with a wire brush, emery cloth, rustolium, and goggles getting it clean and was a driver and not s how car. Have sold cars before with pictures of the underside that had never left central Florida. What I look for is rust in a seam that is pushing it apart. Edited July 16, 2019 by padgett (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezestaak2000 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 my only question is, was it submerged if fresh or salt water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 No that's just Northeast Humidity. You haven't seen salt damage until you have seen our winter beaters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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