Buffalowed Bill

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    Bill Hallett

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  1. For a number of reasons I think that it's an 82. Significant difference being the wheel base and the smaller straight eight. With just eight surviving 92 Speedways, finding an undocumented survivor would be real news. Studebaker was in the process of downsizing their President models in 1933, but with the success that the big chassis had in the Indianapolis 500, they decided to give the large car one last hurrah. They needn't have bothered, only a little more then 600 were produced. The 82 President was a new iteration of the previous year's Commander, rebadged as President. The Commander based President maybe almost as rare as it's larger sibling, but everything being equal, the "Full Classic" Speedway should have a higher dollar value. The Depression about did in Studebaker, who went into receivership that year. They maybe the only American car maker to survive the process without govt. financial help. Lucky for us Studebaker decided to produce the Classic President for one last year. Their misstep in 1933 gave us one last year to enjoy the last of the "Full Classic" Studebakers. More then thirty five years ago I was able to help a good friend acquire, and restore a five passenger Speedway. I had the somewhat unique opportunity to compare that car to my 1933 Pierce Arrow model 836. Vary similar cars in many respects, and a worthy Classic. Now with another owner, that Studebaker can be viewed, where it is on display at the Studebaker museum in South Bend Indiana. Bill
  2. Funny how we spend hours polishing the brass on our cars, but patina on my antique brass bed is just fine.
  3. As a Studebaker owner I've been a participant in a long standing Studebaker Drivers Club forum. I was somewhat late to that party, maybe eight or nine years ago. At the heights of it's popularity that forum probably had 1500-2000 viewers, with about 800 or so actively participating. My numbers are just a guess to set the table for my question. Over the last year or two a Facebook forum has all but supplanted the SDC forum. There is still some activity there, but nothing like what it once was. Facebook participants were patting themselves on the back for now having 22000 "Studebaker Addicts" on the forum. I have gone from a gentle push back against the process, but I now believe the process was inevitable. I admit the Facebook forum is a little chaotic for my tastes, but it seems to be fine for for the multitude, and it seems to have gotten people involved. So I guess it's a good thing. My question is have any of the other single marque clubs, or even the unaffiliated clubs experienced any of the same metamorphosis? Any unanticipated consequences? Bill
  4. I don't need any more cars, but I always enjoy looking. Bill
  5. We have left the days of flipping a cheap car have long since left behind us in our rear view mirror. I'm not against buying a $1000 car, on the contrary if you're young enough to enjoy the process, go for it. Buying it for the wrong reason (filpping) is the wrong reason.
  6. Wagon manufacturer Studebaker bought into EMF about 1908, first as a sale outlet for the EMF. Later substandard production quality at EMF led Studebaker to feel compelled to take over the whole company, and warranty EMF's mechanical shortcomings. In 1913 all EMF's and Flanders models became Studebakers. This wasn't the first time Studebaker had dabbled in non-horse drawn vehicles, but this endeavor stuck.
  7. Statistics indicate that Americans eat, rather then drink, their dairy. Consumption of cheese and yogurt have risen dramatically. My guess is that cheese has a longer shelf life, then does whole milk. The longer keep time for cheese, may lend itself to importation.
  8. IMO the word patina began to be used with regards to original things automotive, as a joke. People knew how it was applied to fine art or furniture, but it became a Haha, snooty term used as a way of, jokingly, shrugging off some point of deterioration to one of our original vehicles. I doubt that anyone truly took the term seriously when it was first used. So it is kind of astounding that we have spent three pages on the subject. It seems to me that we are trying to apply a term that does not really apply to our cars, in an attempt at legitimatizing preservation. It's another one of those automotive terms that will have to be defined by how it's used, by the person with whom we are speaking. For me it will always be a joke! Bill
  9. Out of the approximately 600 "big" 1933 Studebaker President Speedways that were built, only about seven have survived, and there are only two convertibles that exist. You'd have to be very lucky or be a well versed Studebaker person to ever see another one. Bill
  10. I think that it really depends on whether the owner is prepared to tell the car's story. Some people couldn't care less about the story of how, why, and by whom a car has survived throughout the decades. If an owner has never experienced, or had the opportunity to share the story with others, they will never know what an important part of the hobby it has become. The audience is going to be much different then the the audience who only understand shinny paint, but I have found the experience at least as fulfilling as showing a 100 pt car. As I indicated before, refurbishment or restoration fundamentally changes the ability the to tell the story. IMO, thankfully, we have come a long way from the attitude during the 70's and 80's where everything had to be restored. We now have some common sense options if we are willing to listen. Bill
  11. Patina shows how a car has survived for 40-100 years. It shows the historical passage of time, but is only important if a car has never been refurbished or restored. Once new paint is applied, a new interior is installed or different drive train is used, that historical time line is interrupted. Any future talk of patina is without substance. For the last twenty five years a cars history has been a hugely important part of the hobby-patina makes the story possible.
  12. It could be either an 836 or a 1236. From this view the only way one could tell would be the 12 or the 8 stampeded into the hubcap skin. The cars are nearly identical except for the engines. I just sold an identical 836 this weekend, after 42 years of ownership. I seldom sell a car, and this one was especially difficult to part with. I'm afraid that the separation anxiety will linger for some time. Bill
  13. When I was young I felt no limitations to my abilities, or the jobs that I was willing to tackle. The passage of time has taught me what I can reasonably expect to accomplish, and what projects I would be better off leaving for someone that I can trust to do it right, the first time. I treasure the those long ago days, and the lessons that I learned first hand, but I simply don't have the time left to experiment on a project that needs to be done right. While reading to members' responses the dwindling supply of capable artisans truly comes into focus. My personal ace in the hole is my mechanic nephew, who is the best mechanic I know. I'm far from smug with regards to the time that he has available for my projects. Modern truck and car technology has made the demand for a good mechanic even tighter. For a number of reasons there is more competition for his services. Simply put a good mechanic can make more then he could working on our old stuff. I think that there is a great opportunity for a good mechanic to fill the void left as the old-timers disappear, but what will it take to reconcile the supply with the demand?