Gunsmoke Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 WP and a couple posted a couple of pages back "Better photo to see that the landau bars are mounted upside down (need to swap sides)." Not sure they are, cannot imagine a show of this caliber a submission making such a booboo. They are complicated folding mechanisms for a complex top, so I think may be correct, even if they do look strange. But what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gunsmoke said: WP and a couple posted a couple of pages back "Better photo to see that the landau bars are mounted upside down (need to swap sides)." Not sure they are, cannot imagine a show of this caliber a submission making such a booboo. They are complicated folding mechanisms for a complex top, so I think may be correct, even if they do look strange. But what do I know. Being an old restoration and a museum car (very little money for resources), and displayed this way for many, many years, I doubt they were at PB to win a First Prize award. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Boudway Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Check out the photo of our friend's Loco to see the correct orientation for the landau bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) The show isn’t over……….I’m still in So Cal chasing cars and parts…….unfortunately I can’t post photos……but another show on Sunday, and we have a car in it. More to come………..😎 Malibu oceanside for breakfast today…….beautiful spot. Edited August 24, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StutzM Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Mr Anderson lives only a few miles from me in northern Minnesota. I've seen a few of his cars and many of his boats. incredible collection! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) The car in question has a 4 piece landau bar setup, and I suspect folds like this sketch. Lowering top means first folding rear landau bar rearward as shown, which would fold the bar and drop main bow to resting spot. Then the second landau bar would be folded rearward so remainder of roof and forward bow lies flat. Note the requirement to have equal distances from forward body top mounting pivot point to the 3 places landau bars are fastened to rear bracket or to bows. As to the question raised about landau bars being possibly wrong sided, I'm still not sure that there is any way for them to work other than as installed. My understanding bars are always installed so gravity and some compression keeps them locked in place. I suppose there is also a way to have rear bar fold forward first and also have second bar fold forward? Update, having now looked at the implications of the landau bars sticking out back of car, I figure bars must fold forward, and that bars as installed are likely wrong, Not sure left/right changes is issue, perhaps they need to be reassembled to fold forward. Edited August 23, 2022 by Gunsmoke (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3makes Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I'm glad someone finally provided a proper explanation and sketch of the correct installation of landau irons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 hmm... 3makes, I'm not sure I have it right above. Here is a second sketch based on Landau bars folding forward as top is lowered. This seems correct. However landau bars on subject vehicle would need to be reconfigured to allow this folding method, left/right, upside down, backwards, I'm not sure just what is required, but I now agree that WP (and Walt) identified them as not right. Mea Culpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 It might depend on the car. On this car the bar bends forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3makes Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 In your second sketch, if the irons were not tight, gravity could pull them down and cause the top to fall while the vehicle is in motion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, alsancle said: It might depend on the car. On this car the bar bends forward. I'm not sure what you mean by bending forward, but it is set up the way most are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, 3makes said: In your second sketch, if the irons were not tight, gravity could pull them down and cause the top to fall while the vehicle is in motion. Gravity would not take over, as they tend to "lock" in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Apparently the double landau bar cape tops work differently, and the top is intended to sit way out back when in the down position. So, 3Makes' first diagram is correct.... AND I stand corrected. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3makes Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) When it comes to a discussion or comments about Landau Irons, the first thing to do is to discover whether they are actually functional or purely decorative. It does make a difference. Edited August 23, 2022 by 3makes added to the comment (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, West Peterson said: Apparently the double landau bar cape tops work differently, and the top is intended to sit way out back when in the down position. So, 3Makes' first diagram is correct.... AND I stand corrected. Looks like stills from a movie I am unfamiliar with. Not sure of the year, but notice the car has whitewalls! I was watching a movie last night "Merrily We Live" -1938- About a wealthy family. There is a scene with a beautiful Duesenburg roadster sporting wide white walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Kicking around the vault at the Peterson Museum today. Lots of neat stuff. Photos not allowed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, edinmass said: Kicking around the vault at the Peterson Museum today. Lots of neat stuff. Photos not allowed. I belong to a woodworking guild which access to behind the scenes of some major museums was afforded. That kind of stuff was more interesting to me than what was on the floor. I bet your having a grand time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, edinmass said: Kicking around the vault at the Peterson Museum today. Lots of neat stuff. Photos not allowed. How does someone become your shadow? I am willing to carry a cooler of ice with bottles of your favorite libations to everyone of these sites you get into. I’ll even walk three paces behind you in a butler’s suit if that would work. Hope you are having a ball. dave s 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, 3makes said: When it comes to a discussion or comments about Landau Irons, the first thing to do is to discover whether they are actually functional or purely decorative. It does make a difference. When a new top is being installed, are the Landau Irons installed during the job or after. I would think the top guy would test fit the folding operation a few times. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, SC38dls said: How does someone become your shadow? I am willing to carry a cooler of ice with bottles of your favorite libations to everyone of these sites you get into. I’ll even walk three paces behind you in a butler’s suit if that would work. Hope you are having a ball. dave s Petersen vault is now open to everyone that buys the ticket and takes the tour. Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, edinmass said: Kicking around the vault at the Peterson Museum today. Lots of neat stuff. Photos not allowed. Still working on the 16v4 White sleeping there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3makes Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 If you are replacing an existing top a FEW can be correct. If you are designing or installing a completely new top, a FEW isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazA Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 55 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: Petersen vault is now open to everyone that buys the ticket and takes the tour. Bob Website still says separate, but either way an awesome museum and vault was great! They have a nice book in the gift shop that I bought that has most, if not all, of the pictures of the cars in vault...as Ed mentioned, no pics allowed. Flew out there from NY when I was out there for the week for the Superbowl this year, and I became a member. It was only a mile or so from my hotel in Beverly Hills...which was great as it's in a nice location with plenty to do, but still hit traffic!! The membership also gets you into other museums such as Audrain in RI FYI if interested, but a great museum to support as member. Highly recommended if in LA. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) WP said "Apparently the double landau bar cape tops work differently, and the top is intended to sit way out back when in the down position. So, 3Makes' first diagram is correct.... AND I stand corrected". It was actually my first sketch, but 3Makes can have credit as he inspired my second look. I'm guessing with proper locking mechanism (to avoid gravity issue) 4 piece bars could fold either way. WP is this the first time ever you "stand corrected"? I'm guessing the Mercedes alsuncle posted has some form of locking mechanism to prevent gravity from taking over. Edited August 23, 2022 by Gunsmoke (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, George K said: Still working on the 16v4 White sleeping there? It’s been moved………but I am hot on the trail. 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, edinmass said: It’s been moved………but I am hot on the trail. 😎 Ed, The first time I was in the Petersen Vault the collection that LA County ( or whatever the proper title is) owned was there in a special section, where are all those cars now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Like many things, it’s a long story. To make it short………Peterson and LA County museums were part of the same entity until sometime around 2000…….so from 1994 to 2000 +/- a couple of years they had all the cars in the Peterson basement. A few years AFTER the split, the cars went back to LA county museum buildings and storage. I have the location, but it’s not open to the public. I anticipate getting in to kick some tires in the next few days……..but don’t have guaranteed access yet. Using a few contacts from Pebble last week, I think my foot is in the door. Seems fairly difficult to get access……." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 15 hours ago, edinmass said: Kicking around the vault at the Peterson Museum today. Lots of neat stuff. Photos not allowed. "Petersen". https://www.petersen.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 7 hours ago, edinmass said: Seems fairly difficult to get access……. Hmmmm, that doesn't sound like much of a museum... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Interesting day yesterday. I managed to get through to LA County History Museum, worked the phones and with help from a few friends finally got to the correct number and person who is the official caretaker of their automobile collection. The were very helpful, and once I explained my intrest in their White 16 Valve Four, they offered me access to it and files they have. Just one catch………they are currently under renovations and while basically finished, they don’t have their CO yet.(Certificate of Occupancy) Thus I can’t visit for insurance reasons. Bummer……next trip I will get to see it. I was pleasantly surprised that the caretaker was familiar with the car, and White automobile history……..to a very in depth extent. A real museum employee who has an actual interest in the items they manage. They couldn’t have been more helpful. So…….while shut out of cars for the day……..I went to my next destination. The Huntington Museum & Library. I have many nicknames given to me by friends and family……..one of them is “Petroleum” because I’m crude and unrefined. Today I visited the best museum in the world that doesn’t have a car on display……….I consider it one of my top three places to visit that doesn’t involve cars……….that’s a top three over the entire globe………here are some photos. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 That looks nothing like the La Baria Tar Pits a few blocks away from the Petersen. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, edinmass said: The Huntington Museum & Library. The architecture looks like it was originally someone's house, with a less detailed addition possibly after it was converted. Is that the case? And the one facade, with the row of columns with statuary in between, I'm sure I've seen in an old car ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 The home was designed to become a museum after the owners death. They have a fantastic library with a Gutenberg Bible, papers from Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Galileo‘s telescope. There are multiple buildings. They have American as well as European artwork. Silver, porcelain, furniture, anything you can imagine. It’s only 20 miles from the Neathercutt Collection. I always try to visit both of them whenever I am in town. The botanical garden at the Huntington is simply stunning when in bloom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) On 8/23/2022 at 12:35 PM, alsancle said: It might depend on the car. On this car the bar bends forward. Landau irons were carriage thing long before a car thing and in carriages this would be correct orientation (it is kind of like a dictionary or encyclopedia kinda thing and form before funtion kind of thing too). So, even in 1920-something people were probably walking up to a car and saying they were installed wrong when you do not see this kind of look at top, middle and lower end. Edited August 25, 2022 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 And the fun continues……. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edinmass Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Over the ramp……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) Ed, Did you know this Hot Rod was built and raced in Massachusetts back in the 1950's? Later redone with the flames and became a model for a Hot Wheels car, spent time in the Yankee Candle Collection outside Springfield. Edited August 28, 2022 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Yes, I’m familiar with it. And my old friend from Yankee Candle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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