wayne sheldon Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt Harwood said: I tell them, "If you can figure out how to start it, it's yours." Better be careful with things like that. Can't remember where it was, some family thing years ago, I was going somewhere a distance from home, by myself, and spotted a local car show. Not in any hurry to get there, I swung into the parking lot. Walking around, looking like any dummy off the street, looking at a 1934ish Chevrolet. The owner says to me "I bet you a hundred bucks you can't start this car?" I tell him "I won't take that bet, although I am pretty sure I know how." He says "Show me!" So I did. Of course what he didn't know, was that a couple years before, a very good friend of mine did almost the same thing to me when he had just gotten his 1934 Chevrolet master back onto the road. And what my friend didn't know, was that when I was little, there was a similar year Chevy in the family, and I had seen how it was started and remembered it. For those not familiar with them. Chevrolet and a number of other marques (both GM and not) used what was called the 'starterator'. One turned on the key, then had to press the clutch and gas pedals, in a somewhat certain way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 When in doubt, I just used a quarter on the solenoid. Remember being in Detroit at a show and the marketcritter was extolling the antitheft features of a Vega. Hood was open and solenoid an easy reach... Also back in the daze had a standing bet i could walk up to a car with nothing in my hands and have it open in a few seconds. Dipstick worked very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Many years ago I would occasionally have to leave my 1910 REO parked...it always attracted attention, most of it admirable but I was always concerned some nitwit would try to start it. It was a crank starting car ... I would leave it with the spark advanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: LOL, I'd like to see someone steal that White. Instead of fighting them off, let them try to take it, make it run, and record the fun! It's like every Derpstein at a car show who says, "Hey, you left your keys in the car, ain't you askeered someone's gonna steal it?" I tell them, "If you can figure out how to start it, it's yours." The White is surprisingly easy to start........keys work fine, but I just leave it unlocked and use the battery shut off to keep it safe. At Auburn last year........SOMEONE left the keys in the ignition of JN-565 out in the hotel parking lot with the top down............at two am the manager spotted them and knocked on my door and gave them to me. Oops!😇 Fortunately there were only five people staying in the tourist class hotel who knew how to start a Duesenberg........and they were all with us! 👍 PS- don’t tell the boss........🤫 Edited January 19, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Another interesting day with the “Great White”. I was supposed to get the new tires Friday so I can spend the entire weekend putting all six on the car without overdoing it on any one particular day. Since every delivery service is behind by days or weeks the tires didn't arrive until 11 AM this morning. Feeling ambitious I decided to put all six on. I’m getting too old for this. There are multiple rings, snap rings 27 inch Firestone rims. Tires are 37 x 5. I started at noon and finished at 5 o’clock. And I took two or three 30 minute brakes. I was able to remove the tire off the car, and R&R the tire, and reinstall each one in less than 30 minutes. Not too bad for an old man. Photos below. Edited January 19, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 A few shots of the car, and the new tail lights. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Those tires look great. It is nice you got some practice in for mounting the new ones on the Stearns. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Time for a long ride at a moderate speed (or faster!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 They do look great! I hope you are keeping the old ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car crazy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) While I've not met you, pretty sure I might have seen you and your car on the road today on Olive Ave-if so, you were moving right along! Edited January 19, 2021 by car crazy (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, car crazy said: While I've not met you, pretty sure I might have seen you and your car on the road today on Olive Ave-if so, you were moving right along! Guilty! I live in Flamingo Park.......I prefer Olive to Rt 1. Stoped and visited a few friends in El Cid. Good news.....found a car to buy! I’m not spilling the beans on it yet. Did you sell your 34 Packard? Edited January 19, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car crazy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, edinmass said: Guilty! I live in Flamingo Park.......I prefer Olive to Rt 1. Stoped and visited a few friends in El Cid. Good news.....found a car to buy! I’m not spilling the beans on it yet. Did you sell your 34 Packard? I'm in El Cid, so best to keep your new find a secret!..Seems when I buy another car, I think it might be a good idea to sell one-but seems I can never bring myself to actually sell a car- decided to keep the '34 Packard, along with the rest.. Edited January 19, 2021 by car crazy (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, JV Puleo said: Many years ago I would occasionally have to leave my 1910 REO parked...it always attracted attention, most of it admirable but I was always concerned some nitwit would try to start it. It was a crank starting car ... I would leave it with the spark advanced. I do the same thing with my old vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 The tires look great. When I wear out the tires for my '15 Buick truck, I plan on putting on the BF Goodrich tires on. I think they look good on a large car and I have been told that they wear well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Larry Schramm said: The tires look great. When I wear out the tires for my '15 Buick truck, I plan on putting on the BF Goodrich tires on. I think they look good on a large car and I have been told that they wear well. I hope they last a LONG time.........four grand all in on tires, tubes, rim strips, shipping, and tax. Plus my labor. Tire prices have gone insane. Edited January 19, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, wayne sheldon said: They do look great! I hope you are keeping the old ones? Tires are going to Joe P on this forum.......for his 1910 project. I already sent him the tubes.👍 Got to take care of the “family” here! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, SC38DLS said: Time for a long ride at a moderate speed (or faster!) Moderate? Can’t do that. Time for a final top end speed run. I can’t drive 55! Time to let the horses out of the barn and run free...........Soon, we will know “the end of the world on a 1917 Dual Valve White”.............I see 80mph in my future.............😏 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, edinmass said: Tires are going to Joe P on this forum.......for his 1910 project. I already sent him the tubes.👍 Got to take care of the “family” here! Good deal! Keeping them in the family counts as keeping them! Good old tires need to be put to good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Guess the top speed and win at ride at Hersey 2021! Why not. 82 wins it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 "top end speed run" Where ? Used to be able to use 441. PBIR (whatever it is called now) may not have a long enough straight. On the other side of 710 Pratt has a 4 mile straight but doubt that you have access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, padgett said: "top end speed run" Where ? Used to be able to use 441. PBIR (whatever it is called now) may not have a long enough straight. On the other side of 710 Pratt has a 4 mile straight but doubt that you have access. I will run it on Southern Boulevard along the airport runway............if I time the light right, I can hit it flat out on the top of the bridge and take advantage of the slight dow hill for 1/4 mile..............early Sunday morning it should be little to no traffic. Will try for a gps screen shot....if it's safe to do so. Remember: Drive it like you stole it! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkhammer Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I'm having visions of a busy interstate highway with traffic running 75-80 mph and all of sudden here goes this 1917 White sailing past in the left lane, driver laughing maniacally like the Mailman in "Funny Farm". Crum Petree? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Should we start a “go fund me” for bail money? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, SC38DLS said: Should we start a “go fund me” for bail money? Might need it Saturday afternoon after we run the McLaren! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Does AAA still have a bail bond feature ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, padgett said: Does AAA still have a bail bond feature ? It should read...... Does the AACA have a bail bond feature? I hope so, or your entertainment may suddenly fall off a clif! Edited January 20, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Update: It’s been a while since I posted anything on the Great White..........It seems I have suffered a injury related to old age, and have a bad right arm that’s keeping me from doing any useful work for the next 10-12 weeks or possibly longer. It’s a rather painful injury........compare it to your third divorce in ten years with no prenuptial! I’ll live.......but it’s going to slow things down a bit. Still have my trusty side kick Phil. So we will keep picking at the car. The tour is coming up fast, and a I have sent in my registration over a week ago. Looking forward to having it out on the open road. The shaft and the impellers arrived safely, and NASA couldn’t have done a better job than Gary or Joe. Two fantastic gentlemen..........THANK YOU! Edited February 12, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 We decided to tackle the rear axel seal leak..........and at the same time, do the brakes, and install new wheel bearings. Another “easy” job.......NOT! So, one interesting thing about the White........it’s over built, too heavy, and once you figure it out, simple to work on. It’s the learning curve of the era that tosses the curve balls. Fortunately we have a very detailed owners manual......we can blow up the diagrams and actually see what is going on, and the parts list also helps. And away we go.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Phil......”With the hands like George the Animal Steel” got down to work, and with some assistance from myself, we got the drivers side apart. The rear wheel bearing is over six inches in diameter, weighs over seven pounds, and can set you back up to 850 dollars each......depending on the supplier. So much for its easy to get, and off the shelf. Anyway, we have a bad bearing on the drivers side, so we ALWAYS do it right........two are on the way. Interesting brake system, it’s about as complicated as a gimbal thrust nozzle on the Space Shuttle main engine pack. Have you ever seen copper friction material on an automobile? It was a new one to me, and everyone I spoke to. The car has a copper sheet riveted to the cast iron shoes, just like it was woven material of the era. Seems this technology came from the oil fields, and after some scientific and engineering investigations into the coefficient of friction of copper on cast steel.........it’s a slick set up. It’s made to disperse water and OIL......yes, it’s self cleaning. I admit it works. First drive we had the car out in the open road, the fire burned off all the oil......and it was clean and good as new. Like the rest of the car, the rear brakes are very well made, complicated, and have way too many parts. Good news is everything looks brand new........so we will get everything cleaned up and serviced. They should be perfect when we are done. Edited February 11, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I'd certainly never heard of that. The brake bands were intact on the extremely early Panhard chassis I once owned and they had little blocks of wood riveted to them - which says something for how long the chassis had been off the road since I think those had been abandoned by 1900. Somewhere I read that they used lignum vitae. The wood brake lining worked but would burst into flames if over used and, sure enough, the little pieces on my chassis were clearly charred. Are the drums unusually thick? I'm just wondering if this is something worth copying in a different application. I just happen to have several pieces of thick sheet copper and was wondering what I'd ever do with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, edinmass said: We decided to tackle the rear axel seal leak..........and at the same time, do the brakes, and install new wheel bearings. Another “easy” job.......NOT! So, one interesting thing about the White........it’s over built, too heavy, and once you figure it out, simple to work on. It’s the learning curve of the era that tosses the curve balls. Fortunately we have a very detailed owners manual......we can blow up the diagrams and actually see what is going on, and the parts list also helps. And away we go.......... Looks like time for new grease 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Interestingly, of the 100's of cars most of the time I have been very fortunate to develop the problem or foresee the problem when in the neighborhood running errands or .... Did I mention that time(s) of driving the 1941 Cadillac home from tours with bad universal joints or that time with a bad rear wheel bearing, the time with the bad radiator, the time with the hole that sprung in the oil pan, the bad water pumps, and .... - 80K miles of touring (July 1979 - I was age 14 to 2015) with a 1941 car was not really an adventure, but it had its moments. Snowed in currently - tried that once with it too (we had to shovel the street to get it into the driveway = talk about sliding all over the place). Or, rebuilding carb on Franklin in like 15 minutes to leave home 10 minutes later. Spun a rod bearing. Burnt up a axle bearing - fire extinguisher in hand to fortunately not be used. The 31 Cadillac purring in the drive while flames shot out the hood doors. Adventures with Packard Electromatic clutch and overdrive (+ 10 quarts of oil in a day for another problem) - Packard's do not stick around too long. 8 gallons of antifreeze and 10 quarts of oil in Auburn via bad cylinder hear, but made it home to pull in driveway to immediately change cars and make dinner reservations. Or, that entire afternoon of driving home from ACD Festival to home with no brakes (made dinner reservations that trip too). And the list goes on and on, on and on, and ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 BTW a pan of hot water on an icy uphill driveway will make it usable for about three minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 7 hours ago, John_Mereness said: Looks like time for new grease It made it 104 years, should be good to go another 104. Going green don't you know. My new bearings are sealed..........no more grease leaks, thank you very much. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Cole Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 10:00 PM, edinmass said: Update: ... and NASA couldn’t have done a better job than Gary or Joe. Two fantastic gentlemen..........THANK YOU! Ed, at risk of hijacking your thread, you're giving NASA WAAAAY too much credit. Lest you forget, they killed 17 of their own 'rock stars' (astronauts) through known hardware, product, and process failures. There were no secrets or rocket science to their failures. They were all a result of documented noncompliance's which eventually resulted in catastrophic conclusions. NASA writes specifications to the N'th degree, and then either does not follow them, or waives them, or intentionally ignores them. The mindset was that something known to be substandard didn't fail the last time, so that must be the new safety minimum going forward. Through it all they never learned from their mistakes and no one was ever held accountable. Your tax dollars at work. I could write a book about it. Okay, I'll get off my soap box as long as you don't use NASA as an example of perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) UPDATE: Well.....back on the Great White............the AACA tour is coming up fast, and we want the mechanicals 100 percent done, and done right.........I expect when we are finished I won't ever do anything but tires, oil changes, and batteries. We finally removed the rear wheel bearing..........you could use it as a weight on a full size bar bell set.......it's almost 7 1/2 pounds, six inches in diameter, and an inch thick. Look close to see the quarter in the photo. I feel like I'm working on a D-10 Cat. I just recieved a driving report from Feburary 1917 comparing the Stutz Bearcat to the Great White. The comment of interest was............either car easily attains a speed of 75 miles per hour with more left to go............😆 Edited February 16, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 There is a quarter there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Tails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 12:48 AM, George Cole said: Ed, at risk of hijacking your thread, you're giving NASA WAAAAY too much credit. Lest you forget, they killed 17 of their own 'rock stars' (astronauts) through known hardware, product, and process failures. There were no secrets or rocket science to their failures. They were all a result of documented noncompliance's which eventually resulted in catastrophic conclusions. NASA writes specifications to the N'th degree, and then either does not follow them, or waives them, or intentionally ignores them. The mindset was that something known to be substandard didn't fail the last time, so that must be the new safety minimum going forward. Through it all they never learned from their mistakes and no one was ever held accountable. Your tax dollars at work. I could write a book about it. Okay, I'll get off my soap box as long as you don't use NASA as an example of perfection. It was a little more complicated than that - dad worked for Kelly Johnson of Lockheed Skunkworks via the AF Foreign Technology Division (kna National Air & Space Intelligence Center) and accountability was key-most priority - they were just more often than not trying to do things never done before and .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 AF Foreign Technology Division, outa Wright Pat. Ask if knows the Futility Aircraft Corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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