edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) The result of two years effort. Wish us luck, going on the field Sunday. J-218. As delivered from Murphy, as Franklin Hershey designed one off. Made the Thursday tour with no problems. First time out in fifty years. Edited August 25, 2018 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Live in the room at Gooding PB. Ten lots away and the prices are the sale overall are strong. So, I’ll toss my hat in the ring on a hammer price in the SSJ.......17.5 all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Here we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 18.5 all in and still going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 20! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 Well? And any idea where it is headed in terms of ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 22 mil........who in this thread won?....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 I am now curious who bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I doubt the new owners name will become public. There were still 3 bidders over 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Two of the three bidders arn’t known as “car guys” according to the rumor mill. Sort of what I predicted very early on in the thread. From what I have seen in the past five years, I think the new owner got a decent value. I have seen a bunch of other non American pre war cars sell for LOTS more, as for me, I’ll take the SSJ ten times over one of the European cars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I had predicted $25, and wouldn't have been surprised if it had gone higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 22 mill a win? Ill keep the cash....................... :} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Carl Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 7/13/2018 at 4:36 PM, Curti said: "............................. I think it will brake 20 large. " That being the case, after scanning this entire thread, of those who were specific, I believe we have a winner ! Congratulations ! - CC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) The memories of David C........Trimacar.......of the sale in Georgia are spot on. If memory serves me it was 1989. A bunch of the heavy collectors all went in and drew lots on who was going to buy what, and stood back and supported the prices. There was enough interest overall that they only ended up buying five or six of them total.........and the prices of them were still rather low considering historical records at the time. A few year later everything was back to normal and on the upswing again. As as far as the car hitting 22 all in, I agree with the comment it could have easily been 25 or 30. One bidder would instantly respond to any further bump, indicating his willingness to win and try and keep others from jumping back in........a strategy I use as often as possible, just with twenty dollar bills.........not 250,000 dollar bumps. Compared to many of the European cars selling for much more money, I still think the new owner got a very good value. Here’s to it staying in the good old USA, and having it remain active in the hobby. Edited August 25, 2018 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 You ask you won? I can assure you without a single doubt it was not me! Dave S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 My .02 (cents, not mils), Gable car would have gone higher due to his lifelong enthusiasm for cars in general. I am sure all Duesy owners are happy this morning. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve_Mack_CT said: I am sure all Duesy owners are happy this morning. I'm sure they are, but for a Duesy owner ANY morning should be a happy one! This was such a special car, from design to celebrity ownership, that I really don't think it's selling price will affect the value of other Duesenbergs. Whoever bought it sure acquired some great bragging rights, I hope we find out who it is, and that the car doesn't disappear for years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Ballard 35R Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 i was given the name of the new owner this morning and he is someone known to many of us, particularly those interested in brass cars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 For selfish reasons I am hoping it wound up here in Michigan. As the starter of this thread, i woild like to thank everyone who has participated wiyh knowledge, information and opinions. If others are interested I believe it would be worth continuing a discussion of the mighty J. Clearly many of us find the cars endlessly fascinating. What say you? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Carl Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Yeah ! It is so interesting listening to the experts. Here. I'll keep it alive with the only picture I have of Gil Duffy's 2nd string D'berg. I'm 99% sure Howard would have been there back then. - CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 So glad to hear it's staying in the States, I've confirmed from two reliable sources who bought it, very pleased it's going to a great collection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Ed is reliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Three confirmations here in the parking lot at PB. California Bay Area has a great new car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 minute ago, alsancle said: Ed is reliable? That’s Special Ed to you!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, edinmass said: California Bay Area has a great new car. Now that's a great clue for us in the Bay Area! I'll see you on the field tomorrow, Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roller Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 5 hours ago, ericmac said: For selfish reasons I am hoping it wound up here in Michigan. As the starter of this thread, i woild like to thank everyone who has participated wiyh knowledge, information and opinions. If others are interested I believe it would be worth continuing a discussion of the mighty J. Clearly many of us find the cars endlessly fascinating. What say you? Why not continue. The "J" is a heck of a lot more interesting that post war Chevrolets. Has anyone ever noticed that cars some consider "classic"are only used cars?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roller Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, trimacar said: So glad to hear it's staying in the States, I've confirmed from two reliable sources who bought it, very pleased it's going to a great collection... The Left Coast.THAT explains a lot of things. Was it Nethercutt or Lyons?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, edinmass said: California Bay Area has a great new car. Looks like a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Bob Roller said: The Left Coast.THAT explains a lot of things. Was it Nethercutt or Lyons?? Neither of which are in the Bay area. I'm going to guess A.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Califunny has several "Bay Areas", all of which consider themselves to be the only real "Bay Area". The San Francisco "Bay Area" where I grew up and have known a few major collectors certainly considers itself to be the "one and only real" "Bay Area". However, Monterey (home to Pebble Beach!) also calls itself the "Bay Area", as do a couple places in Southern Califunny. If this wonderful car is headed to the San Francisco Bay Area? Well. I have been looking for an excuse to go visit some good friends? As for continuing this thread? I am all for it! I may not have much to offer, other than the couple questions I asked awhile back and never saw answers to (no worries there). One simple question I have that someone should be able to give a quick answer to. Just how many Js were actually built originally? I see a lot of numbers being tossed around here that makes it sound like there were more of them than I had thought. I sure have enjoyed reading all the postings here! (Well, maybe two or three I didn't think should have been posted?) Thanks all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Exactly who’s collection isn’t as important as the fact it will stay in the good old USA, and the gentleman who purchased it will drive it and see to it that it is properly maintained. I’m quite sure it will see the road with regular use. A wonderful result that will keep the car in the public eye for future generations. Bravo to the new owner! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Oh, and Grimy, I just need to remind you that Coop's Duesy is not allowed on regular NATC tours. Some of us DO have standards you know! (Inside joke) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, alsancle said: Ed is reliable? Actually, I'm the one who first told Ed who it was, and his response was something like I don't think so! Then he confirmed it... I only knew due to a friend who was kind enough to tell me. It's going to a great collection..... Edited August 26, 2018 by trimacar (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Great collection, but rarely seen, as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roller Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 8 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: Califunny has several "Bay Areas", all of which consider themselves to be the only real "Bay Area". The San Francisco "Bay Area" where I grew up and have known a few major collectors certainly considers itself to be the "one and only real" "Bay Area". However, Monterey (home to Pebble Beach!) also calls itself the "Bay Area", as do a couple places in Southern Califunny. If this wonderful car is headed to the San Francisco Bay Area? Well. I have been looking for an excuse to go visit some good friends? As for continuing this thread? I am all for it! I may not have much to offer, other than the couple questions I asked awhile back and never saw answers to (no worries there). One simple question I have that someone should be able to give a quick answer to. Just how many Js were actually built originally? I see a lot of numbers being tossed around here that makes it sound like there were more of them than I had thought. I sure have enjoyed reading all the postings here! (Well, maybe two or three I didn't think should have been posted?) Thanks all! The engine numbers run from 101to 588 on cars actually sold.........maybe. Some engines may have been replaced due to failure and some were said to be on display around the country.The factory records say 445 were in cars that were sold.Fred Roe gives chassis numbers 2125to2614 and the same 101-588. New fire wall and bell housings have been made and stamped and I know for a fact that engine J467 resides in a Brunn convertible sedan with bell housing J528. I built the head on that engine when I was 17 in 1953.I also did most of the dismantling on J467,the "Ernie Henderson"car mentioned in Elbert's book as displaying a sign advertising an eatery owned by Henderson.His wife supposedly found him in the car with a "cutie" and blew him away with a pistol.I doubt if there are many of these these cars that are 100% as they were when sold new. Back many years ago when Melvin Clemens bought J357 (1944)it had 12,000 miles on it in 14 years of use and I was told it had crankshaft J464. Melvin may have changed it but I don't know. I put a clutch in it in 1952 in Melvin's driveway.Edinmass told me that the crank shaft that belongs in it was being negotiated for in Canada. Maybe he can verify this for us. Other than spark plugs is there anything from another make of car that can be used on the "J" engine? Captive market for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Bob, Of course there are more things from other make cars that are used on Duesenbergs, 5 or 6 of 'em. Tire valve cores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Thank you Bob R! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roller Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 14 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: Califunny has several "Bay Areas", all of which consider themselves to be the only real "Bay Area". The San Francisco "Bay Area" where I grew up and have known a few major collectors certainly considers itself to be the "one and only real" "Bay Area". However, Monterey (home to Pebble Beach!) also calls itself the "Bay Area", as do a couple places in Southern Califunny. If this wonderful car is headed to the San Francisco Bay Area? Well. I have been looking for an excuse to go visit some good friends? As for continuing this thread? I am all for it! I may not have much to offer, other than the couple questions I asked awhile back and never saw answers to (no worries there). One simple question I have that someone should be able to give a quick answer to. Just how many Js were actually built originally? I see a lot of numbers being tossed around here that makes it sound like there were more of them than I had thought. I sure have enjoyed reading all the postings here! (Well, maybe two or three I didn't think should have been posted?) Thanks all! 3 hours ago, Dave Henderson said: Bob, Of course there are more things from other make cars that are used on Duesenbergs, 5 or 6 of 'em. Tire valve cores... Dave, I don't THINK there are any valve cores on the "J"engine. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roller Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, wayne sheldon said: Thank you Bob R! Wayne, You and others are welcome to any accurate or semi accurate information I can post. In the early 1990's I gave all the info I had and could remember to Ted and Gerry McPhail in Canada.Most was in the form of a cassette tape and used Fred Roe's book on Duesenberg as a reference for "J"numbers and body styles.We had a specialty garage in the early 1950's,51-52 and 53 to be exact and had a small group of Duesenberg owners whose cars we serviced including those of Melvin Clemens and there were others but don't have any idea who they belonged to now. I did a couple of valve jobs requiring the removal of the head and taking it entirely apart.These are NOT complex engines and it took little time to figure them out regarding mechanical function. Other mechanics of the time took one look at that engine and said "you guys are crazy" for working on them.. I made it clear that I would NOT dream up a bunch of fantasy stories because they would be lies.One thing about the truth,there is only ONE version and it's easy to remember. My memories are mostly intact at 82 and hope they stay that way for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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