Jack Welch Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Willis: The photos were taken while cars lined up for the safety check long before the second Plano meet. I am not sure where it started , but I know it was used at the first Danvers meet, and we were not the first to do it. The down side is that our meets are held in the heat of the summer, the cars get hot waiting, and the owners get hotter. The poor volunteers (and there are few of them) get forgotten about while they labor in the heat.There are many , in fact, I think, most 400 point judged cars are registered in the State where they reside. They are not all trailered by a long shot.Any car that is registered has to be functional (a lot of States have safety inspections) in ordered to be driven on the road.I am sorry to disagree with you but, I still think the operational check should be modified or eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Jack, the first Plano meet was my first BCA National Meet to attend or be involved with. The second Plano meet was the one where Stoneberg was involved. IF I might have implied that we were the first with operational check pictures, my apologies.That inoperative signal light strikes me similarly to a mega-buck restoration having an "auto supply battery" (although some aftermarket batteries can be better and more expensive than a repro battery) in it, rather than the correct repro battery (if available). I makes me wonder where ELSE the builder might have cut corners in unseen places?Another side issue is that many states (Texas, included) issue "Antique" license plates which require NO annual safety inspection. It's the owner's responsibility, due to the lower mileage driven rule for those places, to ensure the car is "road ready". A "pride thing"? ONLY "Antique" plates have that exemption, in TX, with other plates requiring an annual safety inspection.Jack, I understand we have different experiences, orientations, and such related to the vehicle hobby. I also know that with the ever-increasing "circus" aspect of BCA National Meets, deleting one item might seem to be advisable to simplify the total operation. Still, I advocate "for" the continuation of the Operational Check and Photo Op as good things to do.FYI, I've already mailed my BCA BOD ballot and survey in, so our not agreeing on this issue is NOT going to affect my votes. Each "side" has compelling reasons in its favor . . . be that as it may.Enjoy!Willis Bell 20811 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Welch Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Willis: This thread has at the very least, prompted some interesting discussion about a great many topics (issues), and I really believe that is a very good thing. It is not necessary for people of good will to agree on every subject. Differing views create progress. At this late date, the election probably has been long since decided, we only have to wait for the results. That fact does not make the discussions any less interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Lets hope that more than the normal 10 % of our members vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Lets hope that more than the normal 10 % of our members vote.Bill, I strongly concur! Any ideas of how many total ballots have been cast, so far? Just curious . . .Take care,Willis Bell 20811 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhclark Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 As of 5/20, 701 ballots had been received. That already exceeds the numbers for 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted sweet Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 what is dead line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest my3buicks Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Jack, I disagree with your orientation of the "Operational Check" activity. Here's why . . . It's my understanding that the Operational Check is done to ensure the vehicle is "end of the assembly line functional", just as the 400 Point System uses the "end of the assembly line" as its reference of how the car is judged. Over the years of being around "show cars" at auctions, formal shows, etc., it has never ceased to amaze me at the number of cars which had "operational issues" and would not pass a state safety inspection! The cosmetics might look great, the body lines/gaps could be excellent, the paint flawless, but then you see that car move in the line to the show venue and you observe a tail light that doesn't work, a turn signal that doesn't work, and other things which, to me, would DETRACT from the ownership experience. Not to forget about the driver who doesn't know how to properly modulate a manual choke! To me, if the 400 Point Judged vehicles are supposed to represent "The BEST of the BEST Buicks", then ALL safety-related (for the model year of production) items need to be fully operational and be capable of being "deployed" by the owner/owner's rep for the Operational Check lane. The Operational Check lane is also a great place to take a picture of each car (an activity which Mr. Stoneberg prototyped at our second Plano event, quite nicely, too!).Just some thoughts . . .Willis Bell 20811I find the safety check to be a waste of time and resources. With the cost of some of these items like NOS T3 headlights I don't like turning them on anymore than I have to. Every year, check, ok, check, ok, Dah!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 what is dead lineAs I recall it has to be received by 6/1, so mail it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBuicks Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The number of ballots received is still less than 10% of the memberships. Really? Only 1 out of 10 members vote? I wonder how many of the other 9 non-voting members complain about the club's leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) what is dead lineAs I recall it has to be received by 6/1, so mail it now!What John said!!! And underline RECEIVED...not postmarked. Monday is a holiday so there's not many days that mail will be moving. This month has flown by and honestly I have been waiting til the last minute to vote this year and am really glad I did. I have actually changed my mind at least once based on what I have learned about candidates thoughts on issues, their attitudes and strengths and weaknesses in dealing with people and their willingness to speak up and make known their positions, be those positions popular or not. So folks if you have not mailed your ballot (and survey) in then please do so. I am mailing mine today. All 10 of them. Edited May 23, 2014 by MrEarl (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 As of 5/20, 701 ballots had been received. That already exceeds the numbers for 2013.Thanks for that info Brian. Now here is a working board member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscheib Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Brian,Thanks for the count update and others for the deadline reminder. I sure would like to see a surge in numbers to at least hit 1000 total. Still a paltry number. I am glad to see the forum members leading the interest, but please urge your non-forum members to vote.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Eaton Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Seems there is an echo here. Look at post #79. Why is anyone surprised at the turn out? The BCA makes it sooooooooo easy to vote, The ballot is printed on the cover sheet, the members name is on the back (front) and all they need to do is check the boxes, put a stamp on it and mail.Maybe they just want something to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Here's a different thought on "voter turnout": If 90% of the membership either don't care or don't see any difference between the candidates, be happy they don't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riv2x4 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Another thought along those lines, there isn't a issue that is a hot button for them. Look at the % of the total membership at any National meet compared to the % of the membership that votes in BCA National elections? All this talk of parking at National Meets means nothing if they do not participate and have a car in a class that is affected by the parking issue currently being discussed. Doesn't this issue fall under the Nation Head Judge's authority?If they are happy with the current state of things there is no sense of urgency to do anything about changing that. My guess is that is the case. Unless a local chapter is promoting a candidate(s) because of relationships or general reputation about something that is of concern to the leadership of that local chapter, there is even less urgency. How many members are also local members, and that are involved in the local chapter. The participation rate of the membership on this forum is a low %, we don't know how many members read the boards anonymously. If they aren't complaining to the people that can do something about it then they cannot reasonably expect changes.The turnout is really not that much different to an off year local political election. Unless you have a dog in that race the motivation to get out and vote is low. If you are happy with, indifferent to, or do not believe voting will impact the current state of affairs with the Club, there really isn't much reason to get involved with the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) Thanks for that update, Brian.For some reason, I suspect a "stuffed" mail box can be more easily dealt with than a crashed server?It's been my observation that over the past decade or so, as the USPS has had to reconfigure their operations, NO mail moves on the weekends, even from the main bulk mail centers, much less the curbside boxes. If there might be a Saturday pickup time, that would only mean from that box to the nearest post office rather than getting to the nearest PROCESSING facility for the various sorts, packaging, and shipping toward the ultimate destination.For example, in the later 1980s, I was shocked to learn that if you wanted "next day" delivery of a piece of mail in Fort Worth, TX, you had to have the item at the main post office collection box BEFORE the 5pm collection time (although there were later times). We had that "second day" delivery people claim we now need to have, back then, and didn't know it! As time and population growth progressed, the final pickup times progressed all of the way to MIDNIGHT and still get it the next day! Then, during the GWBush administration (as a time marker, no more), things started going the other way. Collection times came to be earlier, even on Saturday, a little at a time. We started hearing of staff cuts/early retirement buy-outs, which also tended to affect service in some cases. Increased automation can go only so far in an industry which needs "human beings" in the final links of that system. Be that as it may . . .Therefore, rather than use you local carrier to collect the ballot from your residence or a local curbside collection box, I highly recommend, at this later date, that you take the items directly to the regional postal processing center and mail them THERE, As Soon As Possible! That will take as much "time" out of the total transportation time as can be done by us. Personally, I do the vast majority of my mailing at the main post office in Fort Worth, to ensure the items get into the mail mix as soon as possible.Just some thoughts,Willis Bell 20811 Edited May 24, 2014 by NTX5467 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 Thanks for that update, Brian.Therefore, rather than use you local carrier to collect the ballot from your residence or a local curbside collection box, I highly recommend, at this later date, that you take the items directly to the regional postal processing center and mail them THERE, As Soon As Possible! That will take as much "time" out of the total transportation time as can be done by us. Personally, I do the vast majority of my mailing at the main post office in Fort Worth, to ensure the items get into the mail mix as soon as possible.Just some thoughts,Willis Bell 20811I carried mine in the PO Friday and asked asked the big hair lady at the counter to check and see when it would arrive in IN. She put it on the scale and it showed Tuesday but she said probably Wed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscheib Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 ALERT!!Perhaps, you can still get your ballot to be counted if it is mailed tomorrow.As a candidate, I want to thank those members that have voted. I am sure may of us are looking forward to the results.John Scheib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Well Folks, it's June 1st, when are we going to hear the results of the election for BCA Board of Directors?Terry WiegandSouth Hutchinson, Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivgs Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The votes will be all tallied up on the 2nd. The first came on a Sunday this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivgs Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry, I am going to delay the results one more day because it was too late for me to call the 3 east coast candidates on how they did. Once I have called them I will post the results to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Thanks Kevin.Just curious, could you share with us how the secret ballot votes are counted and by whom. Also how were the survey's tallied. Edited June 3, 2014 by MrEarl add question (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Riviera Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Thanks Kevin.Just curious, could you share with us how the secret ballot votes are counted and by whom. Also how were the survey's tallied.The ballots are counted by Joel Gauthiers CPA firm - Joel has been the BCAs CPA for a long time . The survey results will be sent to the Board Members to be defined . This is going to take a while to compile . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Mr. Riviera, Please clarify what you mean by "to be defined". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Riviera Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Many questions were asking for opinions - these questions will be reviewed by each Board Member and then discussed and reviewed by the Board in total . That's all I have at this time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Welch Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I would like to thank you guys for your support in my run for the BOD. I was not elected, but there was at least enough discussion so that maybe we can effect some change. I will give it another try next year for certain. I do not know any results but my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscheib Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I was waiting too for the official summary, but as Jack has posted, I will just add that I too was not elected. I thank all that voted, not only for me, but for all. While there was an apparent increase in ballots, it seems no where near what it should be. Like Jack, I have also voiced some thoughts on this forum, and I promise to do all I can to make sure the leadership does more to communicate to the members and on a regular basis, including more financial information. Some of the more outspoken members (on the forum) may not be all that pleased with the results, but I urge the BOD and all the membership to remain civil and work for a better organization.My congratulations to all those elected. And I urge others to consider running next year, as this was my last attempt.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booreatta Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 at least someone knows the results, I still have not heard?Chuck Kerls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukec Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I also know that I was not elected. That is all that I have heard.I hope to get to meet many of you in Portland later this summer.Duke Charpentier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gelinas (XP-300) Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Gentleman, thank you for the updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gelinas (XP-300) Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 My congratulations to all those elected.... as this was my last attempt.JohnJohn, I hope you would reconsider that thought, and run again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhclark Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) at least someone knows the results, I still have not heard?Chuck KerlsNews to me as well Chuck....That leaves Alan Oldfield, Jerry Courson, Dick Sweeney and Ed DePouli.3 out of the 4 would have made it. Edited June 4, 2014 by bhclark (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Welch Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 At this point, it would be nice to see the official results posted here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscheib Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Jack,Kevin posted these yesterday on a new thread. However, it would have been nice to see the numbers of the votes.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Here is a link to the election results:http://forums.aaca.org/f115/2014-board-directors-election-results-373488.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wildcat465 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Jack,Kevin posted these yesterday on a new thread. However, it would have been nice to see the numbers of the votes.JohnHere you go John, thank you and all others for running.Alan Oldfield 682Edward DePouli 585Dick Sweeney 552Jack Welch 508Jerry Courson 478John Schieb 334Duke Charpentier 287Still a bummer at how few ballots actually get sent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 Thank you Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWS Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Congratulations to the new board members!Looking forward to great things happening this year in the BCA with this dynamic group Mark Lob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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