Mpgp1999 Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Ron Lawson said: If you can get a nut to fit why use JB I would have mig or stick welded it to the stem The mig welder will not stick to the valve. I even tried to pre heat it with mapp gas. Perhaps the carbon content of the metal is to blame. Another possibility is I have the worlds cheapest welder. I tried to weld the nut first but it wouldn’t stick to the stem. I’m sure if I brazed it would stick but I’m out of gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 I can bring it to work. At work we have milling machines and a lathe. But I’m not sure what I can do at a shop that I can’t do at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullfrog_eng Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I like Ron's solution. Can you borrow a stick welder frome someone? It will have the added bonus of heating the valve stem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machinist_Bill Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 19 hours ago, Mpgp1999 said: I can bring it to work. At work we have milling machines and a lathe. But I’m not sure what I can do at a shop that I can’t do at home. I know you have tried everything but if you can borrow a pin puller (If it fits your stem diameter) it just might work. I use them to pull the alignment pins on an engine block..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 4:21 AM, Machinist_Bill said: I know you have tried everything but if you can borrow a pin puller (If it fits your stem diameter) it just might work. I use them to pull the alignment pins on an engine block..... I purchased this tool, however the collets keep slipping or breaking. Is there something I’m doing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 Some progress. By using the tool I was able to get the valve to move partially. The tool (made in China) crumbled. I was able to get the valve to spin with the tool and a cheater bar. Unable to do so otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Cocuzza Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Now finish the job with a pair of vice grips and plenty of PB Blaster Spray and rotate the valve back and forth It will loosen up eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machinist_Bill Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I agree with Joe. You're over the hill now! The only thing I would add is be very aware of the two studs sticking out as you turn the vise grips. Serious pinch point on the fingers! Looks like some valve seat repair in the near future too. Good job! Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 I can’t get a grip on the stem with vice grips. Should I file it so I can get a wrench on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Get a pair of channel lock 410 pliers, it will turn, or twist it into, great pliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I think all your efforts are to no avail. Is that a crack in the block of the edge of the valve seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 51 minutes ago, Mattml430 said: I think all your efforts are to no avail. Is that a crack in the block of the edge of the valve seat. Good eye but it is just buggered up from my efforts to remove the valve. A tool probably slipped and gouged the deck a little. Hopefully the head gasket will cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I’m talking about this one here not near the broken valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC5 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 I'm surprised you couldn't mig weld to it. Maybe try filing a chamfer on the end and hitting it with full power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Using a stud removing tool remove the two closest head studs to allow access for the vice grip pliers. Please don’t expect the head gasket to seal any gouges you make in the block top surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Mattml430 said: I’m talking about this one here not near the broken valve. It disappeared when I used a wire brush and brake clean. Any ideas on filling the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 To get the head gasket to seal it is normal engineering practice to have the top of the block machined flat, then have the head machined flat. Using a file to remove the gouge? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Neither of the areas indicated are sealed by the head gasket. They are inside the combustion chamber. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nat Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Good job on getting that valve to move! Are you going to have the seat cut or just lap it in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 Success 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 On 3/16/2023 at 5:54 PM, nat said: Good job on getting that valve to move! Are you going to have the seat cut or just lap it in? I have three stones 45 30 and 60. They are from an antique valve seat grinding kit. Which stone should I use first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nat Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 45 till the seat is good. 30, (when necessary), to leave the specified margin on the valve, 60 to narrow the seat if necessary. Don't make the big end of 30 larger than the diameter of a replacement seat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 Any tips on removing rust in the water jacket. I was thinking of installing the head then using a hose flush it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Mpgp1999 said: Any tips on removing rust in the water jacket. I was thinking of installing the head then using a hose flush it. First use something like Simple Green to get rid of the oils, then use one of the Rust Eaters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Man I got sweaty just reading this about this stuck valve saga! I am certainly happy that the valve is out and you can proceed. I assume that you are going to do a full valve job on all the valves and seats? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 35 minutes ago, alsfarms said: Man I got sweaty just reading this about this stuck valve saga! I am certainly happy that the valve is out and you can proceed. I assume that you are going to do a full valve job on all the valves and seats? Al I plan on replacing the bad ones(3 total) with nos/ good used. I plan to lap the other valves in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 One of the valves appears to be a two part valve and stem. The others are one casting. Should I do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I have never heard of two part valves. I would go with convention if it were me. This job, if done right should take your 1925 Dodge into the next generation. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) On 4/4/2023 at 4:47 PM, alsfarms said: I have never heard of two part valves. I would go with convention if it were me. This job, if done right should take your 1925 Dodge into the next generation. Al I’m keeping everything as is. 100% original. Down to the brakes. the only addition I plan it add is a rooftop. It is currently just a wire mesh. Is there a way to add a roof and remain in the hpof class. Edited April 10, 2023 by Mpgp1999 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 hmmm, I applaud your desire for original. That is what I try for on my projects also. That said, having one valve that does not match the others tends to make me wonder if your 1925 engine may have had hands in there sometime in the past and not be absolutely original. That is just a thought I have. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gossp Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I would ditch any two part valves. I have seen what happens to the inside of an engine when they fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machinist_Bill Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Mpgp1999 said: I plan on replacing the bad ones(3 total) with nos/ good used. I plan to lap the other valves in place. Now is the time to open your "Mechanics Instruction Manual" to page 97 thru 136. Very explicit instructions on valves, guides, seats, spring tension, etc. The book will answer all your questions....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I feel you’re going to struggle to do an in frame rebuild on that engine. It really needs to come out and have the valve seats machined correctly. There is way to much damage to that valve seat. Good luck with it though I hope you prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 hours ago, alsfarms said: hmmm, I applaud your desire for original. That is what I try for on my projects also. That said, having one valve that does not match the others tends to make me wonder if your 1925 engine may have had hands in there sometime in the past and not be absolutely original. That is just a thought I have. Al The valve that I have that is dissimilar is a nos. All valves preciously installed are the same. It has an oem head gasket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 3 angle valve job. Next is lapping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 I am glads that's not my engine With all of the metal swarf in and on it The only way to clean it is to strip it and start from scratch People on these forums give advice for a reason They have had and know these old cars like the backs of their hands but mate its your choice Happy Easter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 Any tips on straightening a bent valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpgp1999 Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) On 4/6/2023 at 5:55 AM, Ron Lawson said: I am glads that's not my engine With all of the metal swarf in and on it The only way to clean it is to strip it and start from scratch People on these forums give advice for a reason They have had and know these old cars like the backs of their hands but mate its your choice Happy Easter I plan to clean everything as well as I can. I try to only use tools and methods that are period correct. I.e. original tools, no rtv and no Phillips. I milled the head at home. I used sandpaper taped to glass and I shaved the head. I used dykem and sanded until there was no blue. The head was fairly flat to begin with. Edited April 13, 2023 by Mpgp1999 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 48 minutes ago, Mpgp1999 said: Any tips on straightening a bent valve. The best tip I can offer is to place the bent valve carefully in the bin and buy a new set 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gossp Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I likely have one sitting around that is better than a bent one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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