58L-Y8 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Here a better look at that storage lot full of 1926-'27 Diana and Moon cars. Wonder if this was at their St. Louis factory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 8 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: .What is the big sedan on the right with the landau bars? - a Buick maybe? It's a 1928 Hudson Super Six Custom 7-passenger Sedan, Model O which was $1,950 at the factory. The body styling was by Walter Murphy Coachbuilders of Pasadena, California, famous for their Duesenberg J bodies, were also Hudson-Essex distributor for southern California. The designs were then built for the production body styles by Biddle & Smart of Amesbury, Mass. In the styling transition to the production bodies, Hudson and/or B & S personnel decided the typical low Murphy roof styling was too low and added three inches to the top height! Still an attractive series, just not to the degree they could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: It's a 1928 Hudson Super Six Custom 7-passenger Sedan, Model O which was $1,950 at the factory. The body styling was by Walter Murphy Coachbuilders of Pasadena, California, famous for their Duesenberg J bodies, were also Hudson-Essex distributor for southern California. The designs were then built for the production body styles by Biddle & Smart of Amesbury, Mass. In the styling transition to the production bodies, Hudson and/or B & S personnel decided the typical low Murphy roof styling was too low and added three inches to the top height! Still an attractive series, just not to the degree they could have been. Thanks. I should have thought of Hudson as they were popular as service and hire cars in the day. I think they must have sold quite a few of the B & S models here as there are several survivors - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Here is one with three bumper bars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Thanks for the examples, gives us a chance to see how they differ from two body suppliers. The maroon car has a body by Murray. iirc. All doors hinged at the rear edge, full-door steel over wood frames, $1,450. The off-white sedan has the Biddle & Smart body from the Murphy design: all doors hinged on the B-pillar, half-door steel over wood frame. Windows are chrome-framed like convertibles, $1,950. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 53 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: Thanks for the examples, gives us a chance to see how they differ from two body suppliers. The maroon car has a body by Murray. iirc. All doors hinged at the rear edge, full-door steel over wood frames, $1,450. The off-white sedan has the Biddle & Smart body from the Murphy design: all doors hinged on the B-pillar, half-door steel over wood frame. Windows are chrome-framed like convertibles, $1,950. Aha, I had obviously not studied all of the photos I have. Most were collected from local facebook pages. I can pick the standard body cars - also presumably on the shorter wheelbase - but there appear to be variations in the custom series models - First one has a custom bumper?? The third one looks good on wires. I presume the car in the last modern photo was a standard car which has had its frame extended when it became a hearse. To keep some older era context the last photo was taken about 100 miles south of here in the 1950s. I can only assume the car has survived. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 A photo from Dayton - the Ohio one I guess. What is the low roof circa 1933 coupe on the right? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt G Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 Seems to be that the lamps and the horn are all painted not polished, most interesting. I have seen period photos of this happening before but not very often. Hubcaps are polished or possibly plated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Giving the chauffeur with his daughter and the elegant town car a better look: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Much better look, thanks. I wondered if this might possibly be F.I.A.T. Those cowl mounted lamps must have made the vehicle look quite imposing at night. I've seen similar cowl lamps on other cars from that era, but not often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 This photo is from the 1906 Glidden and shows a Pope Hartford being driven by Wilbur C. Walker. I believe he was treasurer of the company. A decade later when the company was no longer making cars, Walker owned a Packard, a first series twin six that survives. Looks like a Peerless is behind him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Can anyone ID the gorgeous town car in the 1935 movie with Clark Gable? The title was “After Office Hours”, see the 11:36 mark. Has triple cowl vents and suicide doors with three hinges. Wish we had a better shot of it. Can’t post screenshot from phone, will try and update when I get home later today if needed. https://m.ok.ru/video/276415711907 Edited August 23, 2022 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, 30DodgePanel said: Can anyone ID the gorgeous town car in the 1935 movie with Clark Gable? The title was “After Office Hours”, see the 11:36 mark. Has triple cowl vents and suicide doors with three hinges. Wish we had a better shot of it. Can’t post screenshot from phone, will try and update when I get home later today if needed. https://m.ok.ru/video/276415711907 Either a checker cab or a made up hollywood car. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Harley Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 16 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: A photo from Dayton - the Ohio one I guess. What is the low roof circa 1933 coupe on the right? The car behind it is a 1929 or 1930 Chevrolet coach. The cowl lights are different for both years and were factory accessories. Capt. Harley "Back in the day Men were Men, Women were Women, Cars were Cars and everybody liked it that way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 18 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: Aha, I had obviously not studied all of the photos I have. Most were collected from local facebook pages. I can pick the standard body cars - also presumably on the shorter wheelbase - but there appear to be variations in the custom series models - First one has a custom bumper?? The third one looks good on wires. I presume the car in the last modern photo was a standard car which has had its frame extended when it became a hearse. To keep some older era context the last photo was taken about 100 miles south of here in the 1950s. I can only assume the car has survived. A synopsis of the information found in two books: The History of Hudson by Don Butler and The Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942, Edited by Kimes and Clark. Correction: Production bodies were by Briggs Body Co., not Murray Body Co. as faulty memory misremembered... The short-lived Hudson Super Six Custom program on the longer wheelbase series were only 1927-1929 model years. They had added a single brougham by Biddle & Smart halfway through the 1926 season. Hudson management added a fine selection of semi-custom body styles from a variety of coachbuilders for 1927: Anderson, Pioneer, Griswold, Biddle & Smart, Murphy and LeBaron. In the case of the last two, some few sample bodies were built by those two high-profile builders, which were very costly, then the design was built by the less-known coachbuilders on a lower cost, series-custom production basis. Oddly enough, until 1929, bumpers weren't standard factory equipment, but a dealer-installed accessory. Hudson, same as a number of its medium-priced competitors, was anxious to cash in on the apparent prosperity of the late 'roaring' twenties economy. In order to appeal to this step-up in price and prestige, new hood, radiator shell and headlight styling, four-wheel brakes, 18" wheels, the Super Six engine changed to the F-Head configuration increasing the rated horsepower from 76 to 92. All while adding a lower-priced 118" wb Model S to the 127.375" wb now Model O Custom. This continued for 1928 O and S but again with new styling in the LaSalle idiom, while broadening the Model S body selection with lower prices. For 1929, the Model S became Model R on 122.5" wb with a wider selection of standard Briggs and Murphy-designed, Biddle & Smart-built styles. The big news was the Model O became Model L on a 139" wb, all but the 7-passenger phaeton were built by Biddle & Smart, three priced above $2,000. These were promoted not as "Super Six" but now as "The Greater Hudsons". In an abrupt turnaround, for 1930, Model T, 119" wb replaced Model R, Model U, 126" wb replaced Model L and the old F-Head Super Six was gone, replaced by a 213.8 c.i. straight eight that was essentially their Essex Six with two cylinders added! Prices plummeted from a high of $2,200 for the 1929 Model L 4-passenger dual-cowl sport phaeton by Biddle & Smart to $1,295 for the 1930 Model U 7-passenger sedan by Briggs. These were promoted as Hudson Great Eight which was something of a misnomer... Hudson and Essex, largely on the sales of the latter, had ranked third in overall industry sales for 1929. It was the last year that would occur. Positioned better for the hard economic times, the disappointingly small straight eight was enlarged to 233.7 c.i. for 1931 and finally settled on 254.4 ci for 1932 which would continue until 1952. Pose a simple question, get a dissertation... Steve 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Ash Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) We checked in to an ancient hotel in Frome, England in Somerset county, England where I spotted a large photo of the hotel in previous times. As there appears to be a Ford Consul in the photo, it might be from 1950. However, there are pre-war cars in the picture, maybe Jaguar SS sedan and some other car with landau bars. The vans may be post office vehicles. Tonight, we took a picture of the same scene. The George Hotel and the other buildings on the main street look much as they did 70 years ago This is a fun town to visit, not far from Stonehenge and Longleat wild animal safari park. Frome, England about 1950. Several pre-war cars to identify. Me at the George Hotel, Aug. 23, 2022. The hotel is comfy, has a good bar and restaurant. Edited August 23, 2022 by Gary_Ash (see edit history) 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 4 hours ago, twin6 said: This photo is from the 1906 Glidden and shows a Pope Hartford being driven by Wilbur C. Walker. I believe he was treasurer of the company. A decade later when the company was no longer making cars, Walker owned a Packard, a first series twin six that survives. Looks like a Peerless is behind him. The one behind is a Stearns about 1906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 This Model T's radiator cap is a T hubcap. Hard times are obvious in this photo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 ^^^^^^^ I need to check to see if that could happen one has internal threads the other has external, The TT truck rear caps are a bit larger. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Woolf Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A Woolf Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 If you look closely there is a banner on the top boot with the partial name Cole. Must be pre 13 with the gas lights. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Woolf Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6-40 Thomas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanski Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 12 hours ago, alsancle said: Either a checker cab or a made up hollywood car. Looks like a Paramount (Moller made) taxi cab. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Delaunay Belleville? Alexandra Apartments, University Avenue, west side, between Elm & Orde Streets https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/352875/alexandra-apartments-university-avenue-west-side-between?ctx=d39b2b968adc87ca353a6926b5b859f0868937f2&idx=294 Edited August 24, 2022 by Jorge Amado (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/352274/motorcar-racing?ctx=d39b2b968adc87ca353a6926b5b859f0868937f2&idx=298 Edited August 24, 2022 by Jorge Amado (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/352876/beattie-parkdale-in-front-of-king-edward-hotel-king-street?ctx=d39b2b968adc87ca353a6926b5b859f0868937f2&idx=292 Edited August 24, 2022 by Jorge Amado (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Jorge Amado said: Delaunay Belleville? Alexandra Apartments, University Avenue, west side, between Elm & Orde Streets https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/352875/alexandra-apartments-university-avenue-west-side-between?ctx=d39b2b968adc87ca353a6926b5b859f0868937f2&idx=294 Or else a Hotchkiss?? Circa 1904-05 maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 11 hours ago, A Woolf said: Fiat maybe, circa 1903-04. Possibly a 16-20hp I think rather than the 28-32 hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 15 hours ago, pre10 said: The one behind is a Stearns about 1906 Oof, not sure what I was thinking! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Jorge Amado said: Delaunay Belleville? Alexandra Apartments, University Avenue, west side, between Elm & Orde Streets https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/352875/alexandra-apartments-university-avenue-west-side-between?ctx=d39b2b968adc87ca353a6926b5b859f0868937f2&idx=294 Royal Tourist about 1906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Here's a better look at that chain-drive Fiat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Very nice headlights on this car. Were the headlights manufactured by Fiat or furnished by a different manufacturer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) I went back a couple of years and notice John M posted several Tatra's but I don't recall seeing this one yet. According to the Reddit poster: "1914-19 NW Type T (Tatra 20) Luxury Limousine | Built in Kopřivnice, Czechoslovakia, 44hp 3.5L 4cyl" Edited August 25, 2022 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 A couple of more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Here's a better look at that proud motorist and family: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Gloria Kimmel Robinson https://www.cremnc.com/gallery/gloria-robinson 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Duesenberg J's always warrant a better look: 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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