kfle Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) My 1913 Cole has a Taylor Noil Automatic Tire Pump that is powered off of the engine. The pump does put out air when it is engaged and now I need a hose for it. What would be the correct Tire pump hose from 1913? Also the hose would need to be much longer than a standard tire pump as it was meant to run from the engine compartment to each tire. Any ideas on where I would get a proper hose like this? thanks in advance. Edited May 9, 2019 by kfle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden_hunter Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 My 1922 cadillac has this feature and it just describes it as being a rubber hose, not sure there was anything special about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Hoses of the era were probably covered with a cloth fabric, whereas today's hoses have a rubber or neoprene surface. Some Model A Ford parts suppliers offer a tire pump hose with a simulated surface meant to look like cloth covering. That is probably as close a substitute as could be found. Try to locate the source of this type hose to obtain the length you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 The pre 1925 hoses I have seen that were original were red rubber except a Cadillac hose that was black. The Caddy hose had a built in guage in the hose. I suspect that today you won’t have much choice as to color and size, the early hoses I have seen were very skinny.......IE small diameter. Google Kellog air pump in the images category. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFitz Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) The factory drawings for the Kellogg pump hoses used on Franklins specify they must be able to withstand 80 lbs pressure. But it doesn't say what the hose is made of since it was purchased as a complete part from Kellogg, with the gauge attached near the locking-lever type air chuck, like Ed mentioned. I'm not sure plain rubber hose of the day would stand up to that much pressure for long. I would think it is the same reinforced hose seen on some high pressure hand tire pumps of that era. I used old compressor air hose that has a woven fabric covering. Not sure what the original was like, but since no one seems to have an original it has the look of what one might suspect of that era and it is certainly strong enough. One possibility is to use modern fuel line, which is reinforced to take that much pressure. Then send it to Rhode Island Wire Service to have them cover it with black fabric loom like their wring harnesses. Then you only have to duplicate the crimp ferrules on the ends. Paul Edited May 9, 2019 by PFitz (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 You can also buy a heat shrink tubing with a textured exterior. We used it to cover some large non removable wires on a 1918 electric we are restoring and it looks pretty convincing. From McMaster-Carr if I remember correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I have seen two that were black rubber covered in a black cloth, maybe to act as reinforcing the hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass is Best Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I know I have seen a couple. One in a Packard was cloth covered with a pattern in the cloth, black with a red and white pattern. Another with a Cadillac it was a simple black cloth covered hose. Both were coiled up under the front seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, Brass is Best said: I know I have seen a couple. One in a Packard was cloth covered with a pattern in the cloth, black with a red and white pattern. Another with a Cadillac it was a simple black cloth covered hose. Both were coiled up under the front seats. Like this one? It may be for sale for the right price.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mark Shaw said: Like this one? It may be for sale for the right price.... Except for that gauge, that is exactly like the hose I have. I think mine was made to fill the tires by attaching one end to a spark plug hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfle Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) Thanks for the information and the updates on the type of hose. I don't have an actual picture handy, but here is a drawing of the tire pump. As you can see at the top the tire pump, is where you hook up the hose and it doesn't use any type of connector like the one shown on the hose in a previous post. The hose really just slides over the ribbed connection point so finding the right diameter hose will be important. The hose was then stored under the front seat in a nice wooden pull out drawer that is there for the tire pump hose and tools. Edited May 9, 2019 by kfle (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 A similar fabric wrapped hose is used in the world of airbrushes, but might be too small a diameter. Worth looking on eBay to see what's out there even if undersized. Maybe the same sources can provide larger hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Mark Shaw said: Like this one? It may be for sale for the right price.... These kits were marketed by Schrader , possibly as late as the 1960's. Not 100 % correct for a teens car, however a very practical solution. I bought my kit, N.O.S. at a swap meet {Portland ?} for a reasonable price. Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeleh Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Aeroquip 303 hose is probably your best bet for something of modern quality with the cloth outer appearance. Available at aircraft supply shops like aircraft spruce. Not sure if it has ink stamping along the hose, might want to ask the vendor, it would be nice to have an unmarked hose for your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 4 hours ago, 1912Staver said: These kits were marketed by Schrader The one in the photo above was not made by Schrader. The wrench is also marked ENGINAIR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 strictly speaking, "hose" is reinforced, "tubing" is not. Black vs red is the type of filler used, as most rubber types are off-white. I think the advice above to use 80 psi-rated air hose, with a cosmetic cover if necessary, is good. i don't think air brush hoses handle that high a pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, Mark Shaw said: The one in the photo above was not made by Schrader. The wrench is also marked ENGINAIR. Yes, not surprising. I am sure there were several similar offerings by various makers. Most I have seen are Schrader , and I jumped to the conclusion yours was as well. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46 woodie Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Try a company named Artco, they have fabric covered hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Mark Shaw said: The one in the photo above was not made by Schrader. The wrench is also marked ENGINAIR. This Enginair Service Set came with adapters to fit various size spark plugs. It is a clever device which incorporates an air exchanger so that fresh air rather than cylinder air which could have oil or other contamination is dispensed. A second one also by by G. H. Meisner & Co. has Ford script on the dial, but says Enginair Tire Pump on the wrench. Edited May 10, 2019 by Dave Henderson (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfle Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 11 hours ago, 46 woodie said: Try a company named Artco, they have fabric covered hose. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gervaisgt Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 5/8/2019 at 10:21 PM, kfle said: My 1913 Cole has a Taylor Noil Automatic Tire Pump that is powered off of the engine. The pump does put out air when it is engaged and now I need a hose for it. What would be the correct Tire pump hose from 1913? Also the hose would need to be much longer than a standard tire pump as it was meant to run from the engine compartment to each tire. Any ideas on where I would get a proper hose like this? thanks in advance. Hi Keven, do you have a clear picture of the actual Taylor pump install in your 1913 Cole? I have a similar pump and hose, but I think I have different hose's connector on mine; Cheers...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53 New Yorker Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Try this site for a 10 foot length of cloth braided air hose that should be adaptable to your air pump: Cloth-braided Air Hose (micromark.com) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubilee Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 When I was growing up, we used those “ chuffers” all over the farm. Believe it or not, people actually compounded those devices ( simple plumbing) and spray painted with them. I had a friend that painted his ‘47 Chevy while running the engine with two spark plugs out and two chuffers screwed in supplying about a 10 gallon tank. Nice paint job for the day. (about 1955). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53 New Yorker Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 This is available from Harbor Freight, right off the shelf for 8.00 Item number 69587 You can look it up on their web site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 That looks like airbrush hose. Is it large enough and pressure-rated to work with these compressors? Edinmass referenced airbrush hose early in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53 New Yorker Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 packaging says: max PSI 85 lbs , Burst pressure 140 PSI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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