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  1. Ed is spot on with his advice. Quality, displacement, stopping power, and size are what you should look at. Cole checked all of these for me and only the Cunningham has a bigger displacement V8 engine. Even though Cole is very rare, their engineering and who they used for components was forward thinking so they are easier to work on than you might expect. I also used to be over 300 pounds and had no problem fitting behind the steering wheel and driving one. Of course, finding one for sale and at a decent price is not an easy job as they rarely go up for public sale. Here is my 1920 Cole Aero 8 7 Person Touring.
  2. That is not a 1912 Cole. It is a 1913 Cole Series 9 6 Cylinder Touring. Here is the story that I posted about a few years ago.
  3. Our garage helper is a Newfoundland named Cole. Here he is with my son in back of the Cole Aero 8.
  4. There is a lot of history here that is not really out there in the public domain. JJ Cole died in 1925 of heart disease shortly after he liquidated the company. The Cole Motor Car company was still profitable when it was liquidated in late 1924. JJ Cole Jr. started a new Cole incorporated and sold parts and service until about 1932. He retained ownership of the Cole factory building and real estate. They almost revived the Cole Motor Car company in the 1930's but decided against it for various reasons. JJ Cole Jr. passed away in the early 1950's from heart disease as well and Joe Cole took over the real estate, collection, etc. The Cole family rented out the factory building and their real estate to other companies until about 1990 when it was sold off to the county in Indiana and became the county jail annex. So essentially, the Cole incorporated was a company that was primarily real estate. They still did have quite a bit of left over Cole parts and archives as well, however in the early 1970's there was a big flood of the river by the factory and the basement was flooded ruining all of the parts and documents so they were destroyed. The Cole family had six Cole Motor Cars in the basement of the factory that they maintained and kept in good condition. They started selling them off in the late 1980's when they left the factory building.
  5. That is a 1913 Series 9 Cole and it is still around, though buried deep in a large collection so not seen in years by the public.
  6. There are only two Cole Series 10's that are known to survive today and they are both in the state of Washington. They cannot be traced to this car based on what is known by the current owners but who knows.
  7. That was a huge price for sure and probably why it wasnt purchased. There is no record of the Cole family buying this car at the time. I imagine they guy who found it was playing up the price based on trying to sell it to the Cole family thinking they would pay more with an auto with from their namesake.
  8. I was looking through my Cole history materials and I ran across this 'Barn Find' in 1941. JJ Cole Jr., son of the founder of the Cole Motor Car Company, was trying to find Cole Motor Cars that were surviving in the early 1940's. Here is a letter from someone who was searching for these cars on behalf of JJ Cole Jr. showing a find of a 1914 Cole Series 10. Included is also a picture of the Cole in the barn as well as the owner of the Cole. The third document is a follow up letter to JJ Cole Jr. with more information and a blow up of the small picture. It is really interesting history about searching for old cars back then, especially during WW II. A.H. Deeken seemed like an early Wayne Carini!
  9. It says 90s and early 2000s. So it pushes beyond the definition of the aaca guidelines but to younger people that is a ‘classic’ to them. A 2003 small Japanese drift car is an enthusiast car and the interest in the car hobby has to start somewhere. its the car culture that needs to start when your younger and typically its the taste and types of cars that change over the years. I know a 17 year old that bought an 92 Jeep and brings it to the local weekly car cruise. He has a lot of pride in that car.
  10. I thought the Millennials and Gen Z don't care about driving and the car hobby was going away? Actual data. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1129921_survey-says-millennials-and-gen-z-care-about-classic-cars-after-all "It's a common assumption that Millennials and members of Generation Z are less interested in cars than previous generations. But according to Hagerty survey results released last week, these younger drivers are more likely—not less—to want to own a classic car than their parents or grandparents. Of the 10,000 United States drivers surveyed, Gen Z and Millennials were most likely to report currently owning a collectible or classic car. One quarter of Millennials surveyed said they owned a classic car, as did 22% of Gen Zers surveyed. They were followed by Gen X (19%), Baby Boomers (13%), and the so-called Silent Generation (11%). In addition, members of the Gen Z and Millennial generations who don't already own a classic car expressed more interest in owning one than older generations. Of the Millennials surveyed, 57% expressed interest in owning a classic car, and so did 53% of the Gen Zers surveyed. About half of Gen Xers (49%) also showed interest in classic cars, while numbers for Boomers (33%) and the Silent Generation (19%) were much lower. "Much of the 'death of driving' handwringing by the media in the wake of the Great Recession was based on data showing younger generations were getting their licenses later, buying their first vehicles later, and buying fewer vehicles compared to previous generations at the same age. That conflated buying power with demand," Ryan Tandler, the survey lead, said in a statement. "The recession hit younger generations harder and delayed a host of major purchases and life milestones." Millennials are now catching up and, as the nation's largest generation, they could become the collector-car hobby's biggest group in the near future, Hagerty predicts. That is, if the economic fallout from the global coronavirus pandemic doesn't put them right back where they were a decade ago."
  11. Yesterday, I had a group of 8 Steamers on their tour stop by the workshop for a coffee stop and tour of the Cole Motor Car collection. It was a great time and a real joy for my son and I to see all of those steamers in action! A great group of people as well.
  12. Well it sold for $43,000. Just over the high end of the estimate.
  13. Here is the Roamer ad for the Victoria model. I thought that Roamer used Rubay bodies according to their ads.
  14. Taft in a 1912 Cole 30-40. For those that know the stories about Taft's weight, notice the front and rear tire 🙂
  15. A little earlier than most cars on here as I am more into pre mid twenties myself, though this is a CCCA car. Here is my 1925 Cole Brouette with a body by Willoughby. It is unrestored so these are the original colors as picked by Mrs. Cole herself.
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