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  1. Hard to tell without looking at in in person but it seems like German silver from the picture. Take a look at this one from a 1913 Cole. Mayo made these for Cole, Pierce Arrow, and a few other big higher end cars. Measurements would also be useful.
  2. This is spot on!! I met a younger YouTuber(in his twenties) at the Old Car Festival last October. Last year he got into prewar and learning about them and was just fascinated and his channel now has 40,000 subscribers and his videos get lots of views. He heard about the Old Car Festival from someone that he was doing a car video on and on a whim he decided to attend. He said his mind was blown! I had the 1917 Cole Toursedan Convertible body by Springfield there and he asked if he could film it and do a video on it. He did his own research (got a few facts wrong in the video) to narate and produce the video and gets lots of views and engagement. He is not involved in any old car clubs, never been to Hershey, and probably doesnt even know what the AACA is. Here it is the video that he did on the Cole and I was very impressed!!! His YouTube channel probably raises more awareness about orphan and old cars to the younger generation than most of the traditional clubs do. The clubs need to adapt and do it quickly, including maybe teaming up with some of these YouTube personalities.
  3. I sold my 1931 Ford Model A Roadster back in July as I just didnt use it any longer. It was time to let someone else enjoy it. I purchased it back in 2017 and essentially sold it for about the same price as I bought it for back then. As was mentioned, that is actually a loss due to inflation, however I did a lot of touring and such with it early on so got a lot of good value out of it. I did keep my Model T Speedster though as it is a fun car to hop in and drive around.
  4. I have talked to the family that owned this several times since their father passed away two years ago. They posted a Facebook ad earlier this week and the 1916 Cole sold in less than thirty minutes with multiple interested parties. Also in the Facebook ad the price was $25,000 USD and was posted almost a week ago. I actually think this classified ad was a copied scam ad from the Facebook post and hence why it only had a couple of pictures and the person in the ad was not the family member. The Facebook ad had many more pictures, eetc. The car will be coming from Canada to Michigan but the buyer was not me. I have six Cole’s so didn’t need for another one at this time. Cole’s don’t come up for public sale and often and when they do they go quickly.
  5. Here is the start of the convertible sedan. Springfield body owned the patent on 'convertible sedan' in 1916/17, however they went bankrupt in 1917 and never delivered the bodies promised to automakers. The convertible patent was sold off a few years later in bankruptcy court to the company that altered it and rebranded it to the California top and then it went from there. Cole motor car company partnered with Springfield on their Toursedan and had big plans with lots of orders. Due to the bankruptcy of Springfield body, it is speculated (all Cole records were lost in a flood during the 1960's) that Springfield only delivered 10 of these bodies to Cole and some to a few other auto manufacturers of the day. They also made a Cole 2 door convertible coupe and there is one of those that Bill Harrah owned and it is still on display at the National Museum in Reno. This is the only surviving 4 door convertible sedan where all of windows slide into the body and the window frames and pillars fold down with a very finished look. In this picture, one side is wide open. It could go from a closed car to an open car in less than 5 minutes. I have posted some of the ads here as well so you can see how they were marketing it which aligns to some of the earlier responses around luxury and high style.
  6. We can agree to disagree about the driving experience and what we are observing in the world around us. My 22 year old son would drive this daily around town while in Michigan. No issues ever and he loved every minute of it, and his friends loved it too. Again, the stats from the Hagerty article shows growing interest and insurance policies for Model T's by young people, so we can either believe in what we 'feel' or we can go with the data.
  7. The hagerty article is insurance quotes/policies for original model T's not turning them into Hot Rods.
  8. That is not the point of my post or even the article. The point is that there are a heck of a lot of younger people buying them up, it is irrelevant if they are good for usage today, because as you can see from Hagerty's data, there is growth in model T ownership all the way down to generation Z which is early 20's. If a Model T is horrible for today's world then why are younger people buying them and getting insurance?????
  9. Too high level in the trends to drive a sensational title. Read this article from the Hagerty magazine last month on the Model T. Lots of interesting data in here as well as the growing amount of interest from Gen X and millennials which is contrary to perception. Ever popular, the Model T keeps chugging along - Hagerty Media - there is a shift but cars like the Model T are not just disappearing as the younger generation is starting to pick them up. So if you take this data then 42% of Model T owners that are insured with Hagerty ate Gen X, Millennial, and Gen Z. Does that percentage match up to your car club membership? The younger generations dont participate in the typical club models of today and the clubs have become a bit of an echo chamber of doom and gloom. This year at the Greenfield Village Old Car festival it was the most younger people participating that I have ever seen there. A long way to go, but times are a changing, but that doesnt mean that younger people are not getting into early cars, it just means that there is a shift on how people get their car support and what everyone is exposed to.
  10. It was a wonderful weekend. My friend and I brought two 1917 high powered limo type cars to the event. One a 1917 Packard Twin six Imperial Limo and the other, a V8 powered 1917 Cole Toursedan with a convertible body by Springfield. it was such a great time talking to people and driving the cars around the village.
  11. Nice and thanks for sharing! That is a 1915 Cole in either or a 4 or 6 cylinder. If it was the 1915 V8 version it would have just an 8 on the radiator. Kevin
  12. I have seen that it really depends on the car that you are selling and what the audience might be. I have already mentioned BAT, but you need to take 100+ pictures and provide a lot of info so if you are going to sell something there then you need something that is going to at least present well and you need to be willing to take risk as they don't like sellers to put a reserve on a car. If you do put a reserve and it doesn't sell you cannot try to sell the car again on there. There are also other car sale sites or even instagram and other socials that are not market places where you can drum up interest. For my Model A, I never listed it on any site as if you do you will be in a list of many model A's for people to choose from and it only reaches the same people. I started taking my Model A to cars and coffee's and local Car shows that were not focused on any pre war. Of course I was the only early car there and lots of people came to check the car out. I didnt even have a for sale sign on it. One couple said 'wow some day I would really like to have a car like this as it looks like a lot of fun'. Of course I answered, well maybe we can work something out as I dont use the car much anymore, etc. I also sent them a owning your first Model A type of book as well so they were not completely lost. Anyways, I don't sell a lot but those are some things that I have observed. I used to be into Porche's and new American muscle but 8 years ago my wife and I saw our first prewar car somewhere and made an impulse buy. I would have never known to look at the AACA, HCCA, Hemmings, etc. or even searched for an old pre war car. When we list our cars in those places we are advertising to a diminished audience and hence downward pressure on prices. Like I said it depends on the car, it's appeal, etc., but if you get it out to a new crowd of people then there is a chance that it makes an emotional connection. Take for example this past weekend at the Woodward Dream Cruise. I am in Florida now and did not attend but in just about every picture summary from the cruise I saw Rusty Berg and his early REO. Why? Because he was one of the few with an early car at the dream cruise and he was driving it around having fun. I bet much of the people lining the streets have never seen that car or a car like it in action. I also bet if Rusty wanted to he could have had many offers that day for the car because there were some people there who were thinking that it was amazing and sure looked like a lot of fun.
  13. I see that one month ago a curved dash Olds sold for $56,000 + 5% buyers premium. 1904 Oldsmobile Model 6C Curved Dash for sale on BaT Auctions - sold for $56,000 on July 21, 2023 (Lot #114,100) | Bring a Trailer I wish you well in acquiring and I myself would like to get an early one or two cylinder car.
  14. Here is another one that ends in 18 hours and it will be interesting to see what it goes for. 1910 Buick that was restored in 1974, doesnt run, and the auction listing said that it will need a "mechanical refurbishment". Currently at $11k and most of the action on BAT happens in the last hour. 1910 Buick Model 10 Touring for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 24 (Lot #118,002) | Bring a Trailer. As Ed pointed out, overall Brass did quite well in the Pebble auctions and seems to surprisingly do well on BAT and other non typical venues where exposure is greater.
  15. Whats a quick sale price considered to be on a 1913 Buick? a 1912 driver quality just sold on Bring a Trailer a few weeks ago for $35,500 + add the 5% buyers premium. One thing we all need to remember is that younger people dont buy things through the traditional forums (I.e. AACA forum classified, HCCA classifieds, facebook, etc.). Bring a Trailer had a 1912 Oakland that was mostly all original but in fairly rough shape with duct tape on the seats, water leaking heavily from the radiator, etc. for about $20k. I sold my 1931 driver quality Model A Deluxe Roadster, restored in the 1990's for $27k about 6 weeks ago. I didnt use the traditional places where you would typically sell a Model A and I found a couple that fell in love with it and it was their first pre war car. All it takes for driver quality cars is for someone to fall in love with it and have an emotional connection to it. In order to do that you have to get it seen outside of the traditional selling avenues where the only people that will see it are the people that are downsizing their own collections and have been through their own horror story restorations. Times are changing and yes, prices will come down and level out but I have not really seen as big as a drop in the pre 1916 cars as I have the late 20's and 30's cars.
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