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  1. Yes I will have my Cole there. There will be somewhere in the ball park of 10 Coles there for the Cole owner gathering. I honestly do not think there has been that many Coles in one place at one time since the 20's or 30's. There will be the first model 1909 Cole High wheeler and then the last Cole model which is my 1925 Cole Brouette. Then there will be a good representative of the models in between.
  2. Gary - It will be great to meet you. I will have the 1925 Cole Brouette, that I posted about in the forums a few weeks ago, there on the tour and the showcase. I have not used Airbnb myself but have heard overall good things about it. Kevin
  3. Now your reading my mind and thanks for the input!
  4. Understand and not looking to do it as a income generation business. We have a passion for the cars, people, and events. My son and I are active with various car related organizations and volunteer with some auto museums as well. Mostly just looking to cover any liability that I may have and I really do like helping people and organizations out if it makes sense. Just completely investigating.
  5. Thanks Jim. I was speculating you would need commercial insurance to do something like this. Do you recommend a commercial insurance company that I can talk to so I can start to figure this out? Of course if I did want to go this route I would have to setup a business and all of that fun stuff, just trying to get some basic information and costs at this point to see if it makes sense and what the options are.
  6. So I am buying a new custom built 24 ft long by 8.5 ft interior height trailer for use with my own collection of pre 1932 cars. This will replace my first enclosed trailer that I purchased that was smaller and not built as strong. We have only been in this for a few years and will also start going to Hershey, other meets, and some auctions. I have a few questions about insurance that I cannot seem to find the answer on or even where to start. I currently have trailer insurance for my own trailer and personal use, but what about these two scenarios? 1. What happens if I am moving a car for a friend or maybe helping out a museum move one of their cars? Does the trailer insurance - especially liability cover this case? 2. I have seen other people do this and my son suggested it as an idea, that we help someone move their car for money. This would not be the primary purpose and not planning to start a full time business, but if I am going somewhere with an empty trailer, why not see if someone needs me to take a car and then this helps fund the trip and my hobby. What type of insurance do you need for this and where can you get insurance that covers liability and contents? Or does the person who owns the car provide insurance for the 'contents' through their own classic car insurance and we would just need liability? I have done searches online about car hauling insurance but everything I find is for people who are driving the big rigs taking 3-6 cars in a load in big commercial business. I know someone has to be doing this and so was looking for some tips and advice. Thanks!
  7. I offered to post this letter on behalf of the Gilmore Car Museum, so here is the information about an excellent tour and show over 2 days on May 17-18. The link to the show site and registration details are here: https://www.gilmorecarmuseum.org/event-detail/donald-gilmore-pre-1942-showcase-car-show/ March 8, 2019 Greetings from Hickory Corners! I am writing you today to personally invite you to participate in the 4th Annual Gilmore Showcase Pre-1942 Car Show and Swap Meet and Driving Tour. The event kicks off on Friday, May 17th from the Gilmore Car Museum with a 95-mile tour into beautiful West Michigan, retracing portions of the 1910 Glidden Tour. A shorter 32-mile tour is available for 1- and 2-cylinder autos if desired. On Saturday, May 18th hundreds of 1942 and earlier cars, trucks and motorcycles will become the Gilmore Showcase. Imagine if you will: • A fun, festival atmosphere car show dedicated solely to the first 50 years of the automobile. • The 90-acre park-like historic campus of the Gilmore Car Museum overtaken by hundreds of original 1942 and earlier cars, trucks and motorcycles—not hot rods, rat rods or typical cruise-in fair! • The opportunity during the show to drive the over 2 miles of paved roadway on the Museum grounds and thrill visitors with your vehicle in motion. • Visiting the Museum’s vintage “Dealership Row” and exploring the several notable structures. • Taking part in the whimsical “Gilmore Cup” 1- and 2-cylinder vehicles Auto Motor Challenge. • Trying your skills in old-time car games while families take part in vintage-style carnival games. Additionally, the show day will include the Cole Motor Car reunion (the largest in history), several people sporting period correct attire, steam and electric car demos, a crank start competition, an informal pass-in review parade, and more than a few surprises to enjoy. And finally, imagine if you will: The satisfaction you’ll experience by igniting a passion for the old car hobby in others, just as someone else ignited that same passion in you. I look forward to your joining us this spring as we begin the old car season and thanking you in person. Jay A. Follis, Marketing Director Gilmore Car Museum
  8. No discounts for clubs, however if you are a member of the different museums, then those memberships get you into the full campus. In April they open the outer museums again, as during the winter just the main building is open.
  9. Why does everyone always jump to value? The OP was wondering about the term 'rare' and immediately people jumped to rarity has some relationship to value, which it does not. Value is based on supply and demand and while you can have a rare supply, it is the demand and desire that justifies value. That is not a direct correlation to value, as rarity is just an input. You could even have very little demand for a car, but if you have a buyer with the means who has a lot of desire or passion about a certain car then the skys the limit in value. Here is the definition of rare - An adjective meaning not occurring very often. Synonyms: Infrequent, few and far between, scarce, sparse, scattered You really need to define how you are looking at things and your perspective and then we can apply the term rare appropriately. For example Is it rare to own a 1931 Duesenberg? Yes Was Duesenberg a rare car to see in 1931 out of all of the other cars made in 1931? Yes Is it rare to see a Duesenberg at a Concours event or high end car show? No - there is almost always one at one of these shows Is it rare to be able to purchase a Duesenberg? I would say no, because there is almost always one available at every high end auction during the year. (of course the limiting factor is money which makes it rare to be able to own one) Now take one of the cars I own, a 1925 Cole Was it rare to see a Cole motor car on the road in 1925? Yes, as there were only 400 of all models made produced in that year so out of the millions and millions of cars you would probably not have seen one on the road Is it rare to see a 1925 Cole at a car show or event today? Yes - there is only 1 known surviving 1925 Cole today so the odds of seeing one at an event are extremely small Is it rare to be able to purchase a Cole? Yes - they hardly ever appear for sale in an auction or for sale and while they are relatively affordable, it could take you years to be able to purchase one if you decided you want one So lets apply that to the Mercedes Gull Wing Is it rare to own one? Yes only a potential 1400 people can own one out of the world population Was it rare to see one of these on the road in it's day? Yes, out of all of the cars on the road, it would not have been common at all Is it rare to be able to see one at a show or event? Not really, because the owners love to display these at events Is it rare to be able to purchase one of these? No, because they are for sale, however again, money is the limiting factor but they are available for purchase. So again, rarity absolutely does apply to a car as per the definition of the word rare, however the real question is how are you applying it and is it being used correctly? I would say that the misuse of the word over the years has made people very skeptical of the word.
  10. Jeff, Thanks and agree with you. The Cole ads were wonderful and the dealer prestige catalogs were even better. Here is the ad for this particular car that I have. I was aware that the Cole is a CCCA full classic and in fact this very 1925 Cole was the specific car that was submitted to the CCCA board in 2011. Based on that process the board voted to designate this car as a Full Classic. A few years later the CCCA opened up entry down to 1916 so all Cole V8's back to that date were designated full classics. I will be showing this car at the Michigan CCCA Grand Classic event on June 1st and 2nd of this year. Kevin
  11. Gary - It doesn't take much to have better roads than metro Detroit! This sounds like a good and interesting tour. Is there a link to information about the event? Kevin
  12. This is spot on. This is easier with lower production cars though it is very hard and takes a huge amount of effort. For example, with the Cole Motor Car company a registry was started in the 70's and then a formal club, the Cole Motor Car Club of America, was formed in 1980. The club was very active until 2009 when it dissolved. In 2009 they had tracked down 75 Coles that were still known to exist out of the approximate 41,000 that were produced. Early last year I met the leader of the Cole club from 1980-2009 and I resurrected the Cole registry in October of 2018. Through the capabilities of the internet and social media we have found two additional Coles and are now at 77. I am sure that we will find more as well and then there are some that will never be 'known'. We have also lost about 35% of the cars that were on that known registry of 75. With the states, so many cars have wrong years, wrong or missing body types, and sometimes even the wrong make!
  13. Agreed and absolutely no plans to. My only goal is to preserve it and do maintenance to keep it running.
  14. Thanks Roger! Isnt the Auburn meet this year a Grand National which I believe means only previous winners can attend? For some reason I thought that a first timer could not enter a car unless the HPOF class is different. Kevin
  15. Wayne, That is a heartbreaking story and I can't imagine how disappointing that must have been. I had been looking for this car and I was able to track it down and fell in love with it even more when I saw it in person. I absolutely plan on being the caretaker of this car for a long time and then my son after that. He is 18 now and has a great love for pre war cars and especially Coles. It is a great hobby and passion that we can share together. Here is a Cole family photo from the late 40's of them taking 4 of their Cole cars out for a local trip to a park. The 1925 Cole is the last one in the photo. I have been unbelievably fortunate to acquire three of the four cars in the picture. The 1923 Coupe and 13 Touring car have both been restored by previous owners but were done right and with care. Unfortunately both of those cars were affected by a flood that got part of the basement. Luckily the Brouette was not hit by the flood! Also here is a photo that appeared in the Indy Star paper in the 70's showing the 25 Brouette and a 24 Royal Sedan in the basement of the Cole factory with someone looking under the hood of the Brouette. Kevin