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  1. It will be a few days before I am with the car again so I can take some pictures and look at the specific information for you. Thanks!
  2. I was just looking for information on my Stromberg carb this weekend. I have a 1913 Cole and it uses a specific Stromberg Carb that was built to Cole's specs. It says it is the model 'G'. Is the Cole-Stromberg model G different than the GA, GB, or GC that you listed above or is the A, B, and C, versions of the G carb?
  3. Mike, I actually think this is 1912 or 1913. See my post of the Willoughby body on the Cole above from 1911. They used that through early 1913. In late 1913 and 1914 the Cole limo with Willoughby body has a different style per the picture below. Typically Willoughby would have a similar design for the small contract runs they did for automakers and would change them by some minor tweak. For example on the 1912 Cole the two lines swoop up the back while on the chandler they go straight all the way around.
  4. Very interesting. In late 1911 -1913, Willoughby made a body for Cole that is very similar. It was called the London Limo. None of these cars survive today. If I had the restoration skills and the amount of funds it would take, I know of a 1912 Cole chassis.....
  5. Takes a lot to get me excited, so no worries 🙂 It is similar to a model A, though less power. With the Overdrive you can cruise in the 40-45 mph range. I have attached the spec sheet from 1922 and you can see the HP rating. I have never had any challenges with hills or anything at all when I drove it around or to a show, you just need to know your not going to cruise over 45. That's actually about where I cruise at with my Model A as well. There is a bit of a different feel to it though as the Maxwell has the tall narrow tires while the Model A has the wider balloon tires. Not really sure I would say it is worse or anything, just a different feel. If I was going to keep the car, I would also tighten up the steering some as there is a bit of play. Nothing crazy but needs some tuning. Also, another difference is that the Maxwell has only brakes on the rear. They work very good, though you need to make sure you give yourself some room to stop. At some point in the past someone put a Model A carb on it as the Maxwell Stewart carbs were notorious for having problems. It also has an electric fuel pump on it instead of the vacuum tank. When they restored this in the early 2000's and put the Overdrive in, they set the car up to drive and be functional. It is bigger than a Model A which gives the driver and the passengers more room (especially in the back seat) which is nice. Also, with this car you get into lots of conversations at the show or when you take it out as those big disc wheels and style stick out. Also, not many Maxwell's around and you can even join the Chrysler club with it as 22 and up Maxwell's are allowed. The hood ornament is also the early Chrysler wings. There will always be someone who brings up Jack Benny as well.
  6. Glad you like it. It is bigger than a Model T, but not that big! 🙂 I know what you mean about storage space.
  7. Thanks. It is a good and fun car and I had it at the Henry Ford Old Car Festival last September. It is not perfect, though it has a great look with the wheels and the color! I just don't use this one anymore now that I acquired two more Coles last Winter and I personally don't like cars to just sit.
  8. The 1922 Maxwell was launched as 'The Good Maxwell' after Walter Chrysler joined Maxwell to turn it around in 1920. He essentially took 1921 off and released the new and revised model to modernize the Maxwell after the many issues that they had with the late teens models. This Maxwell was restored in the early 2000's and then purchased at an RM Sotheby's auction shortly after. Car was driven and maintained since that restoration and the primary body(not fenders) were repainted in 2018. The car is in Chester Hunt Red which is an original Maxwell color for this model. The car has the original four cylinder engine and a Mitchell 1000 Over Drive so you can go for a nice and comfortable drive. Car was also converted to 12V and includes turn signals for safety. Overall a great driver that will be unique at any show, tour, or event that you take it to! Clean and Clear title, though it is listed as a 1920 Maxwell, which traces back to the Pennsylvania area. It was definitely titled with the wrong year at some point in history, but the serial number, features, and body match exactly to 1922. Car comes with an original manual, dealer ad book, and dealer spec book as well as documentation going back to early 2000's. I am selling as I don't use this car much and not a lot of time for it. It deserves to be with someone that will use it more and enjoy it! The price is $16,000 and it is in the Detroit area. Message, call, or text if you want more information. Kevin at 269-830-6174
  9. I live in Michigan and Greenfield Village/the Henry Ford are excellent. The Gilmore Car Museum in south West Michigan is one not to miss. Also in the Detroit area check out Stahls. http://www.stahlsauto.com/. Limited hours but a wonderful collection. The piquette plant is great,though not sure how much you are into model Ts, but a lot of history there. If you by any chance like Motown then you have to check out the Motown museum where it all began.
  10. In order to have a productive analysis on this topic and determine how to optimize for the future we need to stop using generalizations based on stereotypes. In this thread I have seen many examples of this such as the next generation Is always on their phone or they are so broke. They don’t make any money so they could never buy a car. Here is an interesting piece of info that I just saw today in the Detroit free press: To be sure, many millennials do not fit stereotypes, such as being difficult to manage, impatient and unsatisfied with work. Not all millennials are wondering how they're going to pay the next cell phone bill, either. As a group, millennial households — ages 23 to 38 in 2019 — now earn more than young adults did in nearly any time in the past 50 years, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of new census data. The median adjusted income in a household headed by a millennial was $69,000 in 2017, according to the Pew study. That is a higher figure than for nearly every other year on record, apart from around 2000, when households headed by younger people earned $67,600 in inflation-adjusted dollars. so as we see based on actual US data, millennials are earning more than any previous time in the last 50 years except for 2000. Here is the link to the actual article about a hair dresser making over $200k per year in Detroit. https://www.freep.com/story/money/personal-finance/susan-tompor/2019/06/15/aesthetic-hair-co-alex-pardoe-detroit/1298297001/ Now whether they live in a high rent place like California or New York is a factor and who knows if they would be interested in pre war cars, but let’s not assume that the new generation is worse off than previous generations and make hasty generalizations.
  11. You might be surprised! My iPhone usage is probably 3 hours a day as I am working and getting things done. I can work anywhere at anytime and do. It’s being always connected and efficiency. What used to take three hours of research to find at a library or looking in a file cabinet at a business can now be found on your phone in minutes. I also use a very well known restoration shop for my cars. I am learning more and more and doing work on my cars now for more things but not everything yet. I have found the pre war cars to be a great escape from the always on connected world of today and I know others who are feeling the same. Message posted from my iPhone just like my other messages today as I have been at a car show, at the store, doing yard work, and out on the lake. These devices help you stay connected in real time as you are doing things and having fun. People aren’t just sharing cat photos like internet memes suggest.
  12. We have always done meet ups at another event, that way not a worry. Big national clubs provide that and are great at that and is why I belong to the Aaca, HCCA, and CCCA. At large scale that makes complete sense. Or there are plenty of cars shows that you can meet up at and do a small tour to the show. In Michigan there is a car show within 30 miles of you every day of the week during the summer on either the East side or the West side of the state. Our local HCCA group did a small tour to a flag day car show in Grand Rapids on Friday. It was put together in less than two weeks. Now with Marc you paid the national club and got the big benefits then you paid the local club and that did not cover any insurance as the national club covered that. Just paid for printing, renting meeting rooms, postage and other stuff throughout the year. There are are probably three types of groups and one size or method does not fit all 1. National club like the AACA 2. Local or regional club 3. Registry or support org for a particular marquee All three have different purposes and serve a different role and each will have their own method of modernization with some methods being shared across all three.
  13. Matt, you are correct it’s not just a site, that is table stakes. Several posts earlier I had other lessons learned which included ways we have evolved and are not a club. No membership fees, no Hierarchy and politics, electronic only, meet ups instead of formal meetings, one to one or one to many connection facilitation, and my son does other stuff such as snap chat,etc. Very far from perfect but a start. My first old car was a 1931 Model A that I got a few years ago and I joined MARC and the local region group. A formal hierarchical structure, monthly meetings, monthly lunches and breakfasts during the week and in mornings when anyone who worked couldn’t attend, and endless debate about what tours or drives to do because many had already done everything. What new person to the hobby wants to come to something like this? I had so many questions and asked where I can go to for different types of needs and what stuff I should have with me when I am driving, etc. The answer was we need to get more welcome packets printed at the printer. I asked can’t you email it to me? Nope. I didn’t complain and I offered to do the newsletter which I did for 8 months. I tried to adapt things and drive some change but it was such a process and resistance that I just couldn’t do it any longer and invest the time. I remember one of the monthly meetings where there was a 30 minute debate about whether they should raise the annual dues by $5. It just isn’t productive and it was a bigger hassle to pay by check than any amount the dues would have been. What person under 35 uses checks or even carries cash. I’m in my 40s and I don’t use either. Now don’t get me wrong, when we actually had an event or tour it was always a great time and I loved it but it was just so much other bureaucracy to get to that point and if you didn’t join the breakfasts and lunches you kind of felt like a bit of an outsider. I did not renew my membership to that club or to MARC. I agree about another thread with a serious discussion and not just saying the sky is falling or the golden age is over. I have been in the tech industry for 27 years and I have a mentality of launch quick, learn, adapt, and optimize. The only thing consistent in my world is rapid change.
  14. This is absolutely the most important thing. We launched the website in October and I have been shocked by how many people visit and are searching for information. With only 77 known cars to exist and a relatively obscure brand, it is easy to assume that you would have to be an owner to want to search for information or be interested in Cole. Well, here are the stats for the site since launch in October as of this morning: Total visitors: 758 Total pages viewed: 4188 Avg pages viewed per visitor: 5.52 (so most visitors are not just stumbling on to the site by accident or through a search where they were looking for something else) Average visitors per week currently is about 26 The biggest challenge is to get your search engine optimization right with Google and others. We have worked on this and have risen in the search rankings when someone searches for Cole motor car company or a specific year or make of a Cole car. The site is not popping up when people search in Google and this started happening in probably March or so. A good example of this is from October to the Dec 31 2018, our biggest referrer was Facebook with sending 109 visitors to the website and only 57 visitors coming from search engines. In 2019 since about March we have 278 visitors coming from Search engines like Google and about 87 from Facebook and 22 from Wikipedia. We are now averaging 3 visitors per day from search engines so it is picking up. I have attached some screenshots of the data. Think about this data and what it means. Even if you threw out half of the visitors as people going to the wrong site, that is still quite a good amount of people looking for information about the Cole Motor car Company and the cars. If this site didn't exist, how do these people find information and stay engaged? They may run across static sites like Wikipedia with some information, but what about a community aspect? it would be completely missed. It will be interesting to track this over time and see if interest continues to increase or if it decreases over time. This is just the data and the data tells the real story, not my opinion. This chart shows the stats year to date for 2019. I do not have likes or comments enabled on the site. This chart shows where people are visiting from for 2019 Year to date. This is site data for May 18-21st. We had the Cole Owner meetup the weekend of May 18 at the Gilmore Pre 42 event with 10 Coles there. You can see typical traffic on May 19th, however the day of the show and the Monday and Tuesday after had pretty big increases of people looking at Cole information. Here is referrer stats for May. As you can see 77 searches in May.
  15. Thanks and I am in my 40's and got started in this Coles less than two years ago when myself and my son were at an auction and we ran across a 1913 Cole. We had never heard of it, didn't know anything about it, but fell in love with it. We tried to do searches on our phone for information and there was a Wikipedia page (later to find out that it had many inaccuracies), links to forum posts, and that was about it. Later we ran across the gentleman Leroy Cole, no relation to the Cole car family, who ran the former Cole club for three decades and he was gracious with information and knowledge. So we decided to relaunch the registry last fall using the learnings of the past and the present. Some things that we have learned so far 1. Easy to find information. You have to have an information source that is easy to find and completely accessible. Think about the person at an auction, a car show, a parking lot where they see a car, or just anywhere and they see a car such as Cole and say hmmm that is interesting I wonder what it is? They pull out their phone and do a search. If connections to quick information and a community do not come up you have lost them as they move on to something else. If they find what they are looking for and the story is interesting with available connections then you have the start of engagement. 2. Awareness is key. The cars need to be seen, the history needs to be shared, and stories need to be heard. In my opinion, Coles are very nice cars with a great look and technology, though no one ever saw them. We have been getting our Coles out at more events and encouraging other Cole owners to as well. We are also letting people know where they will be so that people can see them. Most people are not aware that Coles from 1916 on up are Full Classics in the CCCA and have been since 2012. Well, they had two Coles registered and they had only been two a total of two events over the years. I let other owners know about this and now CCCA membership for Cole owners is up to 6 active owners this year who are getting involved with their local region. Also we became an affiliated region with the HCCA this Spring and they had two great articles in their recent issue of the Gazette in May. My son and I also helped the Gilmore Car Museum launch a special Cole exhibit that opened earlier this month and is running through October. It includes seven cars from 1909 - 1925, lots of Cole artifacts, pictures, and documents, and even has the Cole Sheet music song playing in the background. It isn't just a single car of the brand sitting there on display, it tells the story of the company and the evolution of the auto industry from High Wheeler to the start of the Classic era through the lens of one company. All of this activity generates interest in the brand and gets the knowledge out there. Now it is not creating a lot of future Cole owners or active users, but you don't need a lot when there are only 77 known Coles that still exist right now. We are also active in the various social media circles as well. 3. Make it easy to participate. We are just a historical auto site and registry and not an official club and it makes things streamlined and easier for something like Cole where it is more global with a limited set of participants, however I think there are things that apply to other groups as well. We charge no membership fees and do everything electronically. We do have a periodic 'newsletter' but it is sent out through email. We did have an event in May, but we organized that through the website and other avenues. I do not share any personal information on the Cole registry though the members get to know each other through connections and we are able to easily facilitate these connections. For example a newer Cole owner of a 1916 Touring car sent me a Facebook message on last Friday about some issues he was having. I then messaged another Cole owner who had something similar in the past and got the answer. Within an hour the owner had an answer and was good to go on how to address it. We are gathering up lots of information as well and creating a simple library that we will scan soon and put on the website(i.e. we have just about every owners manual, almost all dealer books, and lots of other info) that will make it easier for owners to get what they need. By doing all this we are trying to lower the barrier to owning and maintaining a Cole as it can be scary for someone to jump right in to something like this. We also make it easy to participate in the group with no fees that you have to worry about (most times it is not the $25 that you pay for a club, it is the hassle of the administration of dealing with all of that), no club hierarchy or politics to deal with, and a central information source that everyone can access. 4. Manage the pipeline. The other need I saw was managing the pipeline of car caretakers. Typically Cole owners love their cars and when they get up there in age they want to see their Cole go to the next care taker who will love it and cherish it as much as they did. Of course they want a fair price as well! Also through connections we have made with the registry, you have new Cole enthusiasts who have been interested in Coles from before for some reason or they saw a Cole at a show and did research and are curious about owning one. Some people are ready buyers, some people are developing where they are learning what it takes and building funds or other necessary things to one day become an owner. I just facilitate the connection between these parties and if it works out great, and if it doesn't then so be it. This type of thing probably works better with a marquee that has a more limited supply, but it is working. Also, you have a support structure for the new owner which is important. 5. Make it fun. Finally, the biggest one is to make it fun! I have learned that it is about the cars, the connections, and the history. The more you can center around that and make things fun for the owner the better. People disassociate from car clubs when they feel they are or are going to be 'judged', when there is politics, or when they are not having fun. We stay away from all of that and is why we didn't put a heavy car club structure in place. It is just an information source that facilitates connections between people that own and are passionate about Coles. Some people will probably wonder about cost, since there are no fees or anything. I pay $10 per month for the website hosting, so $120 per year is my investment back into the hobby. My son and I create all the web pages and maintain it, though with modern web tools that is super easy. Newsletters we write and compile from others as well, and since it is all electronic it is published by clicking a button. So far we have had an amazing time sharing our passion, meeting others, and making an impact! We are not perfect by any means but this is a journey that we will continue and we have a good start. I will leave you with a few pictures from May. One is my son with his 1923 Cole Coupe. Whenever, he is out he always lets people see and get in the car and in the first picture he is sitting in the drivers seat showing some younger people the car and how it worked. In the second and third picture you can see how he was giving people rides in his car throughout the day. The other owners were doing the same and here is a great pic of a young kid who came along whos name was 'Cole' in the 1909 Cole High Wheeler that someone brought.