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Hi everyone 👋

I need some help to make an intelligent decision. 
An opportunity has come forward to buy 1964 Super Wildcat 2dr Coupe with 4 speed/ 360hp. 

it’s a condition 2 car, numbers matching with 13k original miles on it ( I know, wow ) 

Question: what is the current value for a car like this ?  
Also, side question: if you had a choice, would a 1965 Wildcat, 4speed/360hp be a better purchase w/s 1964 ? 
What in your opinion are the +’s and -‘s between the two cars ? 
 

Thank you very much to everyone in advance for your comments !! 
 

Oleg

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The value is first determined if it's a matching numbers original, or a "clone/tribute" car.   Start there.  After that, then concern yourself about condition and needed work to determine a value.   

 

BIG difference these days; especially in the Muscle Car world!!

 

Craig

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Also, I wouldn't believe the claim of low mileage

without documentation.  I know of a 1977 Cadillac

currently for sale by a dealer, with a claimed 24,000

miles, but it actually has 124,000 miles.  The car was

babied by a Cadillac fan, so it's really nice.  The dealer

may not know, because that car has probably gone

through a few hands after our local club member

passed on 10 years ago. 

 

Low mileage may keep the body and interior excellent,

but that means the Wildcat was likely stored for many years,

and probably not carefully.  A low-mileage car may 

have a plethora of problems, including the transmission.

So even with documentation, don't pay a big premium.

 

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In order to give you legitimate, accurate advice, we will have to have more information.   Photographs, mileage documentation, list of optional equipment.

You might get more knowledgeable advice from those whose primary interest is performance Buicks, on this forum:

Buick - Performance and Modified - Antique Automobile Club of America - Discussion Forums (aaca.org)

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As has been already suggested - if you expect folks here to do your home-work for you, let's have some more info and photos to go with.  

Value is what it's worth to you.  Helpful to know if you want to keep the car and enjoy it or flip it. 

Terry

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13 hours ago, Oleg said:

Hi everyone 👋

I need some help to make an intelligent decision. 
An opportunity has come forward to buy 1964 Super Wildcat 2dr Coupe with 4 speed/ 360hp. 

it’s a condition 2 car, numbers matching with 13k original miles on it ( I know, wow ) 

Question: what is the current value for a car like this ?  
Also, side question: if you had a choice, would a 1965 Wildcat, 4speed/360hp be a better purchase w/s 1964 ? 
What in your opinion are the +’s and -‘s between the two cars ? 
 

Thank you very much to everyone in advance for your comments !! 
 

Oleg

As said before, why don't you do the homework first and then if you have questions post them.

As you can see for the 64, it's all online NOW YOU DO THE 65.

 

Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 425-4 V-8 Power Pack 4-speed (man. 4) , model year 1964, version for North America U.S. (up to September)

1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 425-4 V-8 Power Pack 4-speed (man. 4) specs

For the table with this car full photo gallery and complete technical specifications (including final drive and gear ratios, powertrain description, inside and outside dimensions etc.), full performance and economy data, or to compare up to 5 cars side-by-side - click one of the the buttons below:

 

 

 

Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 425-4 V-8 Power Pack 4-speed (man. 4 speed)
as offered for the year 1964 until September in North America U.S.

How many were produced ? Check Buick Full-Size 5gen available production numbers data.

Production/sales period of cars with this particular specs:

October 1963 - September 1964

Modelyears:

1964

 

 

Country of origin:

USA United States

 

 

 

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Make:

Buick

Model:

Full-Size 5th generation (Electra, Invicta, Le Sabre, Wildcat)

 

1961-1964

Submodel:

Wildcat 2-Door Hardtop

 

1963-1964

Optional equipment:

 

EEC segmentation:

F (luxury cars)

Subsegment:

S-C-L (luxury coupes)

Class:

full-size luxury / luxury car

Body style:

hatchback coupe

Doors:

2

Traction:

RWD (rear-wheel drive)

Dimensions & capacities

 

Length:

5558 mm / 218.8 in

Width:

1981 mm / 78 in

Width with mirrors:

 

Width folded back mirrors:

 

Height:

1433 mm / 56.4 in

Height with roof rails or antenna:

 

Height full load:

 

 

 

Wheelbase:

3124 mm / 123 in

Front track:

1577 mm / 62.1 in

Rear track:

1549 mm / 61 in

 

 

Ground clearance:

140 mm / 5.5 in

Ground clearance full load:

 

 

 

 

 

Turning circle btw. walls:

 

Turning circle btw. curbs:

13.38 m / 43.9 ft

 

 

Drag coefficient Cd claimed:

 

Drag coefficient Cd estimated by a-c:

0.55

Frontal area A claimed:

 

Frontal area A estimated by a-c:

2.36 m2

Drag area CdA claimed:

 

Drag area CdA estimated by a-c:

1.296 m2

 

 

Interior dimensions:

 

 

 

Lenght-Legroom:

 

1st row:

 

2nd row:

 

3rd row:

 

 

 

Width-Shoulder room:

 

1st row:

 

2nd row:

 

3rd row:

 

 

 

Height-Headroom:

 

1st row:

 

2nd row:

 

3rd row:

 

 

 

Width-Hiproom:

 

1st row:

 

2nd row:

 

 

 

Claimed EPA passenger volume:

 

Calculated EPA passenger volume:

 

 

 

 

 

Interior length:

 

Interior width:

 

Interior height:

 

 

 

Trunk (cargo) capacity

 

std or to windows with 2nd row up/

 

/to windows with 2nd row down or with add. space/

 

/to roof with 2nd row down/

 

/with 3rd row up or with accessories:

 

 

 

Trunk (cargo) capacity claimed:

 

 

 

Trunk (cargo) capacity SAE:

/ 456 / / dm3

 

/ 16.1 / / cu ft

Trunk (cargo) capacity VDA:

 

 

 

 

 

Boot length:

 

Boot length max.:

 

Boot width:

 

Boot width min. (between wheel arches):

 

Boot height:

 

Loading height:

762 mm / 30 in

 

 

Approach angle (deg):

23.8

Departure angle (deg):

12.9

Ramp angle (deg):

 

Weights

 

Curb weight (without a driver):

1896 kg / 4180 lbs

Weight distribution f/r (%):

 

Dry weight:

 

Shipping weight:

1841 kg / 4059 lbs

Curb weight estimated:

 

Gross vehicle weight rating GVWR:

 

Payload:

 

Payload estimated:

 

 

 

Towing weight:

 

unbraked:

 

braked:

 

Sales markets

 

Markets, where cars with this particular specifications were sold:

North America

 

U.S.

 

Related models:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Powertrain

 

Engine manufacturer:

GM Buick Nailhead V-8 425

Engine type:

spark-ignition 4-stroke

Fuel type:

gasoline (petrol)

Fuel system:

2 carburetors

Charge system:

naturally aspirated

Valves per cylinder:

2

Valves timing:

 

Additional features:

Carter AFG 4-barrel

 

 

 

 

Emission control:

 

Emission standard:

 

 

 

 

 

Cylinders alignment:

V 8

Displacement:

6970 cm3 / 425.3 cui

Bore:

109.54 mm / 4.3125 in

Stroke:

92.46 mm / 3.64 in

Compression ratio:

10.25 : 1

Horsepower net:

 

 

 

Torque net:

 

 

 

Horsepower gross:

268.5 kW / 365 PS / 360 hp (SAE gross)

 

/ 4400

Torque gross:

631 Nm / 465 ft-lb

 

/ 2800

Redline rpm:

 

 

 

Car power to weight ratio net:

106 watt/kg / 48 watt/lb (estimated by a-c)

Car power to weight ratio gross:

142 watt/kg / 64 watt/lb

Car weight to power ratio net:

9.4 kg/kW / 6.9 kg/PS / 15.5 lbs/hp (estimated by a-c)

Car weight to power ratio gross:

7.1 kg/kW / 5.2 kg/PS / 11.6 lbs/hp

 

 

Fuel capacity:

76 liter / 20.1 U.S. gal / 16.7 imp. gal

Engine lubricant oil capacity:

3.8 liter / 4 U.S. qt / 3.3 imp. qt

 

plus 0.9 liter / 1 qt for filter change

Engine coolant capacity:

17.5 liter / 18.5 U.S. qt / 15.4 imp. qt

Battery capacity (Ah):

70

 

 

Check:
1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 425-4 V-8 Power Pack 4-speed (man. 4 speed) Engine Horsepower/ Torque Curve

 

Full performance data, accelerations chart, acceleration on gears, speed range on gears, overtaking factors etc. - click the buttons below:

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Drivetrain

 

Gearbox:

BORG WARNER

Transmission type:

manual

 

 

 

 

Number of gears:

4

Gear ratios (overall):

 

I

2.54 (8.69)

II

1.89 (6.46)

III

1.51 (5.16)

IV

1 (3.42)

V

()

VI

()

VII

()

VIII

()

IX

()

X

()

R

2.61

 

 

Traction:

RWD (rear-wheel drive)

 

 

Final drive ratio std:

3.42

optional:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Torque converter factor:

 

 

 

Speed range

 

(max speed on gears,

 

top gear value theor.):

(km/h/mph)

I:

76 / 47

II:

102 / 63

III:

128 / 80

IV:

193 / 120

V:

/

VI:

/

VII:

/

VIII:

/

IX:

/

X:

/

 

 

1000rpm speed:

(km/h/mph)

I:

15.8 / 9.8

II:

21.2 / 13.2

III:

26.6 / 16.5

IV:

40.1 / 24.9

V:

/

VI:

/

VII:

/

VIII:

/

IX:

/

X:

/

 

 

Front brakes:

drum

 

 

Rear brakes:

drum

 

 

 

 

Standard tires:

7.60 - 15

 

 

Check:
1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 425-4 V-8 Power Pack 4-speed (man. 4 speed) alternate wheel and tire sizes

Performance - Factory claim

 

Top speed:

 

 

 

0-60 mph (s):

 

0-100 km/h (s):

 

Full performance data, accelerations chart, acceleration on gears, speed range on gears, overtaking factors etc. - click the buttons below:

 

 

 

Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 425-4 V-8 Power Pack 4-speed (man. 4 speed)
as offered for the year 1964 until September for North America U.S.

Production/sales period of this car

 

without major change in specs:

October 1963 - September 1964

Modelyears:

1964

Country of origin:

USA United States

 

 

 

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Make:

Buick

Model:

Full-Size 5th generation (Electra, Invicta, Le Sabre, Wildcat)

 

1961-1964

Submodel:

Wildcat 2-Door Hardtop

 

1963-1964

Optional equipment:

 

EEC segmentation:

F (luxury cars)

Class:

full-size luxury / luxury car

Body style:

hatchback coupe

Doors:

2

Traction:

RWD (rear-wheel drive)

Curb weight (without a driver):

1896 kg / 4180 lbs

 

 

Dry weight:

 

Shipping weight:

1841 kg / 4059 lbs

Curb weight estimated:

 

 

 

 

 

Engine type:

spark-ignition 4-stroke

Fuel type:

gasoline (petrol)

Cylinders alignment:

V 8

Displacement:

6970 cm3 / 425.3 cui

Horsepower net:

 

 

 

Horsepower gross:

268.5 kW / 365 PS / 360 hp (SAE gross)

 

/ 4400

Redline rpm:

 

 

 

Fuel capacity:

76 liter / 20.1 U.S. gal / 16.7 imp. gal

Transmission type:

manual

 

 

Number of gears:

4

 

 

Car power to weight ratio net:

106 watt/kg / 48 watt/lb (estimated by a-c)

Car weight to power ratio net:

9.4 kg/kW / 6.9 kg/PS / 15.5 lbs/hp (estimated by a-c)

 

 


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Complete specifications of this car - click the button below:

Factory claim

 

Top speed:

 

 

 

0-60 mph (s):

 

0-100 km/h (s):

 

0-1/4 mile (s):

 

0-1 km (s):

 


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Fuel consumption:

 

 

ECE 90/120/city (comb.):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EU NEDC/Australia ADR82:

 

urban/extra-urban/combined

 

 

 

 

 

U.S. EPA city/highway (combined):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

U.S. EPA (after 2008) city/highway:

 

(combined)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Emission:

 

 

 

 

 

© automobile-catalog.com ProfessCars™ simulation
(for the car with basic curb weight, full fuel tank and 90 kg (200 lbs) load)

 

Top speed:

 

(theor. without speed governor)

193 km/h / 120 mph


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Acceleration:

 

 

0-30 km/h (s):

1.9

0-40 km/h (s):

2.4

0-50 km/h (s):

2.9

0-60 km/h (s):

3.4

0-70 km/h (s):

4

0-80 km/h (s):

5.1

0-90 km/h (s):

5.9

0-100 km/h (s):

6.9

0-110 km/h (s)

8.3

0-120 km/h (s):

9.6

0-130 km/h (s):

11.5

0-140 km/h (s):

13.4

0-150 km/h (s):

15.4

0-160 km/h (s):

17.9

0-170 km/h (s):

21.1

0-180 km/h (s):

25.3

0-190 km/h (s):

33.4

0-200 km/h (s):

 

0-210 km/h (s):

 

0-220 km/h (s):

 

0-230 km/h (s):

 

0-240 km/h (s):

 

0-250 km/h (s):

 

0-270 km/h (s):

 

0-300 km/h (s):

 


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0-20 mph (s):

2

0-30 mph (s):

2.8

0-40 mph (s):

3.7

0-50 mph (s):

5.1

0-60 mph (s):

6.5

0-70 mph (s):

8.6

0-80 mph (s):

11.2

0-90 mph (s):

14.3

0-100 mph (s):

18.2

0-110 mph (s):

24.1

0-120 mph (s):

 

0-130 mph (s):

 

0-140 mph (s):

 

0-150 mph (s):

 

0-160 mph (s):

 

0-180 mph (s):

 

0-200 mph (s):

 


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Drag times:

 

0- 1/4mile (s):

15.2

speed at 1/4mile:

149 km/h / 93 mph

0- 1km (s):

27.7


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FAQ:
Where are all these precise accelerations data coming from ?

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Acceleration on gears:

 

The times show how fast a car accelerates on high gears, without gear reduction. The lower the times, the drive is more relaxing and driver less often needs to change gears during overtaking or hill climbing. Practical tip: if the 60-100 km/h on 4th is higher than 11 sec and 80-120 km/h on 5th higher than 15 sec (or higher than 19 sec on 6th), the car will be felt as rather slowly reacting and will require downshifting very often in road conditions.
In case of automatic transmission the values are shown for the manual mode, if such is available in the car.
 

60-100 km/h on IVth gear (sec)

 

(or top gear if total number of gears <4):

6.5

80-120 km/h on IVth gear (sec)

 

(or top gear if total number of gears <4):

6.4

80-120 km/h on Vth gear (sec):

 

80-120 km/h on VIth gear (sec):

 

 

 

40-60 mph on IVth gear (sec)

 

(or top gear if total number of gears <4):

5.2

50-70 mph on IVth gear (sec)

 

(or top gear if total number of gears <4):

5.1

50-70 mph on Vth gear (sec):

 

50-70 mph on VIth gear (sec):

 


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Overtaking factors:

 

The times show how fast a car accelerates using the optimal gear or gears, in typical overtaking situations. It is an overtaking with gear reduction or kick-down, the best possible times. Not including the transmission reaction time.
 

60-100 km/h through gears (sec):

3.5

80-120 km/h through gears (sec):

4.5

100-180 km/h through gears (sec):

18.4

 

 

40-70 mph through gears (sec):

4.9

50-90 mph through gears (sec):

9.2


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Speed range:

 

(max speed on gears,

 

top gear value theor.)

(km/h / mph)

I:

76 / 47

II:

102 / 63

III:

128 / 80

IV:

193 / 120

V:

/

VI:

/

VII:

/

VIII:

/

IX:

/

X:

/

 

 

1000rpm speed:

(km/h/mph)

I:

15.8 / 9.8

II:

21.2 / 13.2

III:

26.6 / 16.5

IV:

40.1 / 24.9

V:

/

VI:

/

VII:

/

VIII:

/

IX:

/

X:

/


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Fuel consumption

 

 

 

 

extra-urban (up to 62mph/100km/h) / city / highway (up to 87mph/140km/h) / average combined:

l/100km:

19.4-23.3 / 29.3-35.2 / 23-27.6 / 25.3

mpg (imp.):

12.1-14.6 / 8-9.6 / 10.2-12.3 / 11.1

mpg (U.S.):

10.1-12.1 / 6.7-8 / 8.5-10.2 / 9.3

km/l:

4.3-5.2 / 2.8-3.4 / 3.6-4.3 / 3.9


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64's and 65's are generally quite similar cars. But I think if anything the 65's are even a bit bigger , heavier than the 64's. If you are looking at a car with a high HP engine option and a 4 speed I expect performance is at least part of your goal. Bigger and heavier always hurts performance.

 Do you have a specific low mileage 65 , 4 speed, 360 horse Wildcat in mind and are asking about an apples to apples comparison with the 64 ? Or is it just a " in theory " comparison. Low milage , 4 speed Wildcats don't come on the market very often. You might be better off to grab the 64 in any case rather than wait for a 65 that may or may not ever show up for sale. The cars are similar enough that I doubt you would find much difference between them. If the 64 really is a very good ccondition car , with the power train options you are looking for, and the price is in your eyes reasonable, I would grab it.

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Having extensively driven a '63 LeSabre 2-door hardtop and a '68 Wildcat 2-door hardtop (the '68 is basically a reskin of the '65) while in high school and college, I can offer some suggestions regarding rust. 

 

The '64 rusts out on the bottom of the front fenders behind the wheels.  Open both doors and look along the door bottom for rust near the weatherstripping.  The quarters rust out before and behind the rear wheels, and along the top of the wheel lip.  Also look for rust under the hood along the front of the fender splash aprons.  Finally, the trunk floor tends to rust out by the inner wheelhousings.  On the '65, you would also look for rust around the back window due to water sitting in the window channel. 

 

I looked at and drove a '64 Wildcat 2-door hardtop a number of years ago that was for sale and remember how sloppy the steering was compared to slightly newer GM large cars.  If that doesn't bother you, and you like the car, buy it!  The '63-'65 Wildcat with a 4-speed is not common.  I still regret not buying the '63 LeSabre 2-door sedan with the factory 4-speed I saw at Carlisle in the Fall of 1986.  It was for sale for $1800 and both front fenders were rusted out and the cloth upholstery was shot.

 

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A friend of my has a 1965 Super Wildcat 4speed/ 360hp. 
it’s red with black interior and it has 67k miles ( undocumented) 

1964 Super Wildcat is white with white interior which I personally like better then 1965 SWC color combo, however, my dilemma is that both cars are similarly priced and I wish a had the money to buy both of them😏

 

Asking other people what they think may help me with my decision making. 
 

By the way, I did none stop research for the last 3 days regarding 64-66 Super Wildcats and that’s not my issue. 
Technical data is not what I’m looking for. I’m looking for the feedback from people who had those 2 models. 
To me, that’s more valuable then spec sheets and 0-60 timing( sorry, no offense) 

 

Once again, HUGE Thank You to everyone who took their time and wrote a comment ! 
I sincerely appreciate it !!!  

 

 

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You seem reluctant to, but post some photos of each.  2 cars in what is considered very similar condition can really be two completely different cars once scrutinized.   A little rust here or there,  a little more pitted chrome, a little worse interior all comes into play.  It can also let you know what kind of life the car led.  If the interior chrome is pitted,  then the car was damp inside and will have lots of hidden rust.  That's just one small example.  Now apply it to all the different components of the car.   We really need photos to give you an accurate assessment. 

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Sounds simple. If they both suit, and the price is good for you buy the one you 'really' like and not the one you think may be a better deal. If you get the one that is nice but not exactly what you had in mind, everytime you get in the car you will think about the one you really wanted and not enjoy it

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But if the one you liked better turns out to be a turd,  you might think gee if I had just been a little more open and less emotional I would have bought the better car.  Goes both ways I guess. 

I passed on the 32 Plymouth coupe at Hershey because I thought I wanted a convertible instead.  Bought the convertible (also on my bucket list) 2 month later ,  then cursed it every day I had it once I started working on it and got below the skin at everything that was wrong with it.   Thinking the entire time I should have bought that coupe instead.  I would have never got this headache then and been enjoying that. Both were suppose to be turn key drivers,  except I actually saw the Coupe running and driving and was even told I could take it for a test drive.   The convt it was winter time and the guys I had look at it didn't take it out. 

 

Kind of like buying the flash red car because it looks sportier than the fawn colored car just like it,  when the red car was a quickie resto full of problems and the fawn car was an actual just honest original car.   Lots to consider.

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