classiclines Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Not Mine - interesting or fascinating? https://vermont.craigslist.org/ctd/d/milton-1954-packard-executive-limo/7560054290.html 1954 Packard Executive Limo Custom Built 500 Cubic Inch Cadillac V-8, Automatic, Stereo-Cd, Dual Air-Conditioned, Power Moonroof, Power steering, Power Disc Brakes, 2 Sets of Hub Caps with Fender Skirts.Car Cover, Car was fully redone over the years top to bottom have all receipts and records original Arizona car with Arizona Title .No Rust very rare could be used for limo service or have the only one at the car show. Seats 8 --- Phone (802) 343-29 six two [more documentation pics in ad] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Surely that limousine is a low-production car. What a shame the owner didn't restore it in stock condition! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Huston Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Unless I am missing something, this Packard is a Sedan (with jump seats) and not a Limousine. I can’t detect from these images evidence of a division window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 As I recall, Not every Limousine had to have a Divider Window. They were optional on some, perhaps standard on another, and in some cases it was a separate model number, but a Limousine, nonetheless. Sometimes the nomenclature was dependent on wheelbase, jump seats, built-in bar, lack of rearmost side windows,etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 More of a shame than interesting or fascinating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Marty Roth said: As I recall, Not every Limousine had to have a Divider Window. They were optional on some, perhaps standard on another, and in some cases it was a separate model number, but a Limousine, nonetheless. Sometimes the nomenclature was dependent on wheelbase, jump seats, built-in bar, lack of rearmost side windows,etc Disregarding any marketing mangling of the terms, this is a seven passenger sedan. The limo would have a division window, and the driver's compartment usually in leather since it was meant to be chauffeur-driven. I believe Packard used the terms that way also. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleetwood Meadow Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 12/3/2022 at 5:09 PM, alsancle said: More of a shame than interesting or fascinating. What makes this car a shame? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Shifter Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fleetwood Meadow said: What makes this car a shame? Answer: On 12/3/2022 at 11:12 AM, classiclines said: Custom Built 500 Cubic Inch Cadillac V-8, Automatic, Stereo-Cd, Dual Air-Conditioned, Power Moon roof, Power steering, Power Disc Brakes, 2 Sets of Hub Caps with Fender Skirts, window tint, and the interior. Otherwise it's a great collectible Packard! Edited January 2, 2023 by Twisted Shifter (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleetwood Meadow Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 So long story short, the guy changed the engine, reupholstered the car, and added features to make the car drivable to a wider band of people and it’s garbage now? I don’t get it because people change the very life-blood of vehicles on here (6-12 volt conversions) and people cheer them. This guy added added air conditioning and power steering/brakes and he’s a monster? Maybe I misunderstand the word shame.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Shifter Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) You missed the word "purist" and "luddite"! 😁😁 ... at least the seller said "redone" and not "restored". Edited January 2, 2023 by Twisted Shifter (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 The reason it is a shame is you can drop a crate motor in any run of the mill Packard and nobody cares. This car is actually something sort of special and unique. Btw, when I was young and stupid I did the 6v to 12v upgrade but I now realize it is the wrong path and you are just papering over the real problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Eaton Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 As noted by others, the common thinking is a Limo has a glass divider.... the sedan does not. The long wheelbase sedan was called many thing by different manufactures. I think Packard called it a "Executive Sedans", others more commonly called the 7 passenger sedans. In 1954 Packard made 30,865 vehicles. 35 were Executive sedans, 65 were "Corporate Limo" either way a rare car and well worth saving. My only comment is the Walmart wire wheel covers must go. It would look great with the available "real" wire wheels but they were probably not available on the long wheelbase cars because of the weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleetwood Meadow Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, alsancle said: The reason it is a shame is you can drop a crate motor in any run of the mill Packard and nobody cares. This car is actually something sort of special and unique. That makes sense. The other reasons that were given for my question had not made sense. What was the engine that would have been in this car and would it be difficult to locate another one to make the car more correct on that part? At least he went somewhat appropriate with a Cadillac engine versus a sbc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, alsancle said: papering over the real problem Yep. Papering over the problem that 6V was antiquated WAY before it was replaced. If it was so good , why was it changed 70 or so years ago? Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 On 12/3/2022 at 3:50 PM, Marty Roth said: As I recall, Not every Limousine had to have a Divider Window. They were optional on some, perhaps standard on another, and in some cases it was a separate model number, but a Limousine, nonetheless. Sometimes the nomenclature was dependent on wheelbase, jump seats, built-in bar, lack of rearmost side windows,etc You can't go wrong calling them what Packard called them. Custom Limousine (with disappearing glass partition), 8-Passenger Sedan (without). Also called in company literature the Packard Corporation Limousine and Executive Sedan. TG 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel boeve Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said: Yep. Papering over the problem that 6V was antiquated WAY before it was replaced. If it was so good , why was it changed 70 or so years ago? Ben Because of cost ! 12 volt uses cables only half as thick as 6 volt cables .With 24 volts you can again use thinner cables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Eaton Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 how about a more formal rear treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 18 hours ago, TG57Roadmaster said: You can't go wrong calling them what Packard called them. Custom Limousine (with disappearing glass partition), 8-Passenger Sedan (without). Also called in company literature the Packard Corporation Limousine and Executive Sedan. TG Wow !! The short paragraph at the lower left of the ad really documents what Packard called it for that year and model. Thank you @TG57Roadmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj5794 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Henney Motor Company of Freeport IL produced the long wheelbase sedan and limousine bodies for Packard. 1954 was the final year of Packard long wheelbase vehicles. Jim Vesely ROA # 7437 BCA # 39477 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj5794 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 A long wheelbase 1953 or 1954 Packard was featured in Godfather Part II. Jim Vesely ROA # 7437 BCA # 39477 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj5794 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Correction: It was the original 1972 Godfather movie. Used by Michael Corleone in scenes near the end of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Cool limo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave327 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 If AACA will allow ad pictures that contain radials and wire hubcaps like those then there should at least be a trigger warning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillOutThere Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 These postings in this forum are not advertising. Purity and righteousness standards require omniscient judging. That has yet to exist in car clubs. Sure we try, but never totally succeed. A fools errand when all we want to do is make others aware of cars out there somewhere that might be of interest to fellow collectors. And most surely tire construction and wheel covers that can all be changed out in half an hour by the next owner should not be determinant of whether a car can appear, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, StillOutThere said: These postings in this forum are not advertising. Purity and righteousness standards require omniscient judging. That has yet to exist in car clubs. Sure we try, but never totally succeed. A fools errand when all we want to do is make others aware of cars out there somewhere that might be of interest to fellow collectors. And most surely tire construction and wheel covers that can all be changed out in half an hour by the next owner should not be determinant of whether a car can appear, IMHO. I think he was making a joke. The wheels are an easy fix. The crate motor not so much. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 It's the heavy window tint that really puts me off the most. Look at any 1950's or 60's photo of cars like this and you are not going to see a heavy tint. It's a 1980's and up "celebrity culture " thing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearheadengineer Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 It’s a lot of car for the money. Sure, it’s not original anymore. But if the work was done well you can drive and enjoy it for many miles. Or preferably, have your chauffeur drive it for many miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 The original 327 or 359 engine was basically indestructible. I question the wisdom of anyone that comes up with the idea of putting a Cadillac engine in a Packard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearheadengineer Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 45 minutes ago, alsancle said: The original 327 or 359 engine was basically indestructible. I question the wisdom of anyone that comes up with the idea of putting a Cadillac engine in a Packard. I don’t disagree and I wouldn’t have done the swap. Apparently someone read too many Hot Rod magazines. I’m just saying that a running, driving, usable (allegedly), car with AC for $16k seems like a good deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleetwood Meadow Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 It’s back up for $13,950 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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