Jim Mead Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I realize. I will probably start a restoration thread. This is far from my forte, but the story needs a digital home and this is probably the best place for it, save it’s own web site. Thanks for your interest… Jim Mead Owego, NY (the Harold Sharon rule) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Jim, are there any original pictures from back when it was made? Why not go ahead and post one here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Plenty of original photos in “American Road Racing- The 1930’s” by Joel E. Finn, first chapters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Found this picture while researching something else. It is from a July 4th 100 mile road race in Hibbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Wonderful !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 All Bobtails ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da-lastpeat Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Bobtails or Big Cars! Here is an old Fronty Ford SOHC, and DOHC race car we have on loan to the Speedway Museum of Speed in Omaha. Usually its at the High Banks Hall of fame in Bellville Kansas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) Not a period photo but a period car in a modern photo. Who can tell us what this one is? Looks like copper jacketed individually cast cylinders and six of them. No transmission; must be push start. I found this one on Pinterest. Oops, turns out this is the Ford 666. Edited July 31, 2022 by AHa (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 European cars were fairly popular prior to WWI in the USA especially on the east coast in NY, Philadelphia, Boston area as they were easier to deliver to main ports by the steam ships they traveled in as baggage. There were major dealers , especially in NY which is why I am including the entire advertisement here - read the details. "but we have a duplicate for sale". Last sentence. This advertisement was placed in the 1913 Newport ( R.I.) Casino souvenir booklet I have used here for other topics. Newport saw people with substantial wealth visit and own estates there so it is understandable that high end/quality/costly goods were advertised. Figured I better take the time to post this here to keep Steve M. happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 What a great ad! Thanks Walt G W2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Please advise price and send duplicate automobile FOB via Leigh Valley RR c/o Station Agent , Owego, NY. Please protect lowest rate, charges collect……… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jim Mead said: Please advise price and send duplicate automobile FOB via Leigh Valley RR c/o Station Agent , Owego, NY. Please protect lowest rate, charges collect……… What does this have to do with Race Car Images to relieve some of the stress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Ash Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Walt G said: What does this have to do with Race Car Images to relieve some of the stress? Walt, it's how the Peugeot dealer in NYC would ship the duplicate of the Peugeot race car to Owego, NY back in the old days when the LVRR existed (now Norfolk Southern, but with much of the same tracks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Gosh, I was just trying to inject some levity in an attempt to relieve some stress…. I certainly appreciated your posting and hope that I haven’t offended you with my clumsy attempt at humor… All best, Jim Mead Owego, NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 No offense taken, just was confused that's all. Same program has many many other advertisements for high end ( ie. expensive) automobiles, many mentioning that there were sporty body types, Isotta Fraschini also had a page ad for its race car of 120 h.p.! Non automotive ads were for Tiffany and Co. for his leaded lamp shades and Mme. S. Schwartz who had a Corsetiere on East 47th Street in N.Y. City. the program dates from the end of June 1913 and notes that the Season of 1913 " was on or after July 7th" . but there were numerous ads for colder weather coats etc. - buy your fur coat now in July - yes, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Wonderful. I always enjoy your informative and thoughtful postings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Check out this Opal with overhead valves. The wheels and tires look tiny. That's quite the belly pan! Prepared for the Semmering Hillclimb in 1909, it was rated at 180hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) Another Pinterest find, this is Eddie Rickenbacker in what looks to be a Franklin. Turns out this is the Frayer Miller car raced in the Vanderbilt Cup series. Edited August 17, 2022 by AHa (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) And this one. The engineering that went into these cars is amazing. This one came from Tumblr and it's caption is in French, Mauve sur Elfe, course de côte de Gaillon, 1921 Edited August 16, 2022 by AHa (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Steering like my Sidewalk push cars 60 years ago….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Due to the punitive road taxes based upon horsepower or displacement, cyclecars and therefore cyclecar racing remained very popular in Europe and the British Empire well into the early 1930s! The things were like go-carts on steroids with a motorcycle engine! What amazes me about this car is the apparent lack of engineering. Difficult to climb in or out of with that steering tower in the way. There were several simpler and lighter methods of steering than this. Working with that steering wheel as it is looks like it would have been difficult, and likely it would not handle very well. Some of the control cables and arms do not appear to be well thought out? Great photo though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Thanks for your thoughts Wayne. When we restored the O-We-Go Cyclecar, I remember researching and discovering that one did well in Cyclecar races held in NJ, on the Beach, maybe. Light Car racing in the UK and Europe meant racing in general was much more democratic there. Some of the major races even ran their classes simultaneously. Real “road” races, as it were. It was that culture that inspired the Collier Brothers to create their own “series” for light cars to race on their Overlook Estate in the Hudson Valley of NY. We are restoring their first hand built car. I have received permission to submit an in period photo of their racing from the image owners. I’m away this week, but upon my return next week I’ll submit the photo and also some of the ongoing restoration….. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Jim, I am not a total race car enthusiast - but do enjoy the history ( especially the Vanderbilt Raves here on long island as they were in my "backyard" village where I live and ran through the center of town on the main state road.) Your above comments about the racers built especially in Europe about the cyclecars etc. is something I don't feel most Americans are aware of. George Robertson the Vanderbilt Cup race winner lived about a 10 minute walk from where I have lived for decades , in the next village of Bellerose ,NY. All this in his later years when he was retired. In the early 1970s I used to go to lunch regularly with his son Crawford and Austin Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hddennis Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 20 hours ago, AHa said: Another Pinterest find, this is Eddie Rickenbacker in what looks to be a Franklin. I could be wrong but I think this might be a Frayer-Miller entered in the Vanderbilt races. Howard Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Howard, you are right! Here is a closeup of the Frayer Miller motor. Picture from Stohr Design studios. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 On 8/16/2022 at 11:17 AM, AHa said: And this one. The engineering that went into these cars is amazing. This one came from Tumblr and it's caption is in French, Mauve sur Elfe, course de côte de Gaillon, 1921 With that fan spinning right behind his right shoulder, I hope he does not lean back ! But at least the gas tank is streamlined. Another, "what were they thinking ?" Mike in Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 The more I look at it, the more I think Dirigible. The rudimentary fenders are a hoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 On 10/15/2021 at 12:00 PM, Walt G said: This image was in the L'Illustration magazine ( French) for October 1927. They touted it was a Mystery car in England. That magazine was a huge ( 12 x 18 inches, over 70 pages coated stock paper) monthly society magazine with all kinds of coverage of what the elite at the time were doing/attending to, what was fashionable etc. Much like The Spur and Vanity Fair magazine were in the USA. Their October issue was the annual automobile issue. - this is the kind of stuff I have been collecting for 5 decades , odd places to see information that wasn't in the normal car magazines, but aimed at the "upper crusty" types who had the $ to buy expensive cars, use zeppelins and luxury steam ships for travel etc. I learned about these periodicals from a friend, Peter Moore, who was a motor book dealer in the UK and also when I worked for Austin Clark in his library at his house nearly 50 years ago as he had them. At that time even Austin commented "no one is aware about these much , but they are loaded with information" There are full page advertisements in there as well in the auto numbers/issues for American car for sale in Europe : Hupmobile, Packard, Studebaker, La Salle, Buick just to name a few. Difficult to scan the huge pages on a normal scanner! Not the type of car that you would take to lunch in Danbury Connecticut, but someone did, August 1927 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studemax Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Jack Irving designed the "Sunbeam Slug" for Henry Segrave. It was the first land speed racer timed over 200 MPH, at Daytona Beach on March 29th, 1927. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Studemax said: Jack Irving designed the "Sunbeam Slug" for Henry Segrave. It was the first land speed racer timed over 200 MPH, at Daytona Beach on March 29th, 1927. Do you think the car stayed here and went "On Tour", the Danbury Fair was in October, and had a large rail road yard, I found that photo on eBay any would like to know how and why the car got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studemax Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 You can do research on the net, same as me. Go. Find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) This one was just posted on the "What is it" thread by the great grandson of the man behind the wheel. If anybody recognizes the make, they would very much like to hear from you. It looks very much like a Mercedes and the radiator cap looks very much like one that ran in the Vanderbilt Cup Series. Can anybody put a name to this one? This car has been identified as a Mercedes. Edited September 1, 2022 by AHa (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 "Rudolph Dolkos in his old Chalmers racer. It was later entered into a the 1938 old car contest at the Spring Automobile Show in Fort Worth TX - Will Rogers Coliseum" Lou Sheibell (early Kansas racing history) in a Chalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave39MD Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 My uncle Lu Dunton in my dad's #89 race car. It was wrecked soon after the photo but not sure if it was that race. My dad talked about his Miller Ford a lot so I presume it was one of those but he did have others with converted Hisso airplane engines. Lu went on to live a long life. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Don't remember this one being posted. Captured from Pinterest, a Photo Bucket print. Edited November 9, 2022 by AHa (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mead Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Billy Durant ??? GM product ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Let's see, 4 cylinder, individually cast cylinders, right hand drive, chain drive, I'm going to guess no on the above two questions. It may be a Seagraves. There are very few Seagraves of this vintage to compare it to but the radiator and motor appears close. Edited November 9, 2022 by AHa (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canadian PB Kid Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I was surfing Utube for some info and came across this 30 minute flick down one of the rabbit holes, not sure if it has been previously posted here but this Utube posting has only been up for one day. ENJOY! STAY SAFE! Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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