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nzcarnerd Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: I guess if you are going to get out of the car, the middle of an intersection is as good a place as any? I think the car is a 1931 Buick Series 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: 1931 Buick Series 80 Model 86 four passenger coupe. 124" wheelbase, 344 cid. That largest of the early Buick eights weighs 1100lb fan to clutch. Somewhere buried in my files I have a list of component weights sent to me by Buick back in the 1970s and that is one figure I remember. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke01 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, John_Mereness said: Kerr Brothers Funeral Home in Lexington KY. Still a family run business. Zeke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 An earlier hearse, maybe Winton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Looks like a "child's hearse". That is a lot of car for a small child. I agree, likely a Winton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Whatever the make of this automobile, the rear half of the body suggests a "businessman's model", similar to the later business coupe models (such as the green Plymouth). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRA Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 7:39 PM, John_Mereness said: What are these cylinders in the front bumper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hddennis Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I think they are Westinghouse air shocks. Howard Dennis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 More on those Westinghouse air suspension dampeners here: Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 4:39 PM, John_Mereness said: Another one with the Westinghouse air suspension: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/general-studebaker-specific-discussion/35531-from-the-archives-66-bus-at-yosemite?34653-From-the-Archives-66-(Bus-at-Yosemite)=&highlight=westinghouse Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Doing pennants... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 hours ago, twin6 said: Doing pennants... 1911 Mitchell model R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 The photo of the fire department ladder truck was posted as a 1906 Ariel Simplex in Auckland. A 1906 U.S. Ariel advertisement says "Look For The Oval Front", and indeed a '06 Ariel had an oval radiator shell. Is the Ariel Simplex a different manufacturer than the Ariel Company of Bridgeport, Connecticutt? Perhaps Ariel Simplex is a British manufacturer? There does not seem to be a cross over of multiple names with the U.S. Simplex and Crane-Simplex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, LCK81403 said: The photo of the fire department ladder truck was posted as a 1906 Ariel Simplex in Auckland. A 1906 U.S. Ariel advertisement says "Look For The Oval Front", and indeed a '06 Ariel had an oval radiator shell. Is the Ariel Simplex a different manufacturer than the Ariel Company of Bridgeport, Connecticutt? Perhaps Ariel Simplex is a British manufacturer? There does not seem to be a cross over of multiple names with the U.S. Simplex and Crane-Simplex. I did note that the Ariel was made by a company better known for its motorcycles and posted a link to the company history on Graces Guide. The company was based in Selly Oak, Birmingham, UK. The use of the word Simplex was likely started by Mercedes, and others took it up. There were several companies who aped the Mercedes style radiator. Ariel Motors (1906) - Graces Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Would this 22 Hudson body style be considered a Coach, Victoria or Special body? Everything I've seen on it has it labeled as a Coach so I'm trying to understand what the difference from Coach and Victoria are. I thought I knew the difference but am second guessing things now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, 30DodgePanel said: Would this 22 Hudson body style be considered a Coach, Victoria or Special body? Everything I've seen on it has it labeled as a Coach so I'm trying to understand what the difference from Coach and Victoria are. I thought I knew the difference but am second guessing things now. Seems each car maker used their own terms for body styles - I don't think there were hard and fast rules. Hudson called this one a coach but I would have called it a four passenger coupe. To me a coach would be a square back two door sedan - at least that is what the GM equivalent was. I think to most people a cabriolet should have a convertible top - but my Studebaker cabriolet does not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LCK81403 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 This is an interesting photo. The bulge in the right front tire appears to threaten the stability of the car and lively hoods of the passengers. The style of the shirts worn by the men suggests styling norm from about the 1880s through 1910 or 1915 time frame. Hat styles can suggest something about time periods as well as possible location by the wearer. In this photo there are three examples of what is known as a "Montana pinch". The man wearing a dark shirt in the background sports a classic Montana pinch. Hence a best guess for the location of this photo is possibly Montana, Idaho, or Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 People with hats loved 1906 Thomas Flyers. Can't read the sign on the center photo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 Defining a body style can be difficult as the names used changed as the body style gained or lost features. There was a listing in the 1920s defining what each body style was then in accurate easy to understand terminology but as mentioned a decade later it changed slightly because of the way a trunk at the rear was added, size dictated to or changed, rear quarter window in the body was altered as was the roof line. Some time ago I covered this briefly in a story; that can be elaborated on with images to help understand the transitio0n or change - all of this pre WWII era mostly from 1920 to 1940. It should be in a print publication as online published images are easily "lifted" and then become the property of the "lifter" to use if/when/where without any credit going to those of us who have spent many decades collecting the stuff from obscure places. ( like carriage publications of the era) No room in the AACA magazine for a story as they don't have the pages/space to devote to it according to the Editor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Thank you, Walt. Do you now the story or back story on the early term "Stanhope"? A number of manufacturers sold a Stanhope model. Was the term Stanhope a person's surname who started the style, the name of a body producer, or something like the elastic term "Victoria"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: People with hats loved 1906 Thomas Flyers. Can't read the sign on the center photo. Th3e centre photo is quite low res but I can see on the first line - ???? December 25 '08 and on the last line Vic Hanson and Young Coffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, LCK81403 said: Thank you, Walt. Do you now the story or back story on the early term "Stanhope"? A number of manufacturers sold a Stanhope model. Was the term Stanhope a person's surname who started the style, the name of a body producer, or something like the elastic term "Victoria"? To long to go into here on the forums - If I did then i would start to get others asking specific histories of other body styles, just don't have the time to do that sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Just an absolutely gorgeous car and setting 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Meanwhile in SF they seemed to be practicing for what's to come... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 What I see on the sign: XMAS AFTERNOON DECEMBER 25 '21 3 lines illegible 4th line virtually illegible but seems to have a set of three words followed by a "v" and a second set of three words (the "v" signifying "versus"?) 5th line illegible VIC HANSON YOUNG COFFY Assuming that December 25th is a day for recreation, perhaps there was a football or basketball game that day. One Victor Arthur "Vic" Hanson was born July 30, 1903, died April 10, 1982. He played football and basketball at Syracuse, and I believe he played professional baseball. In the photo with the automobile, it is possible the man standing proudly in the center could be Vic Hanson. No on-line record of Young Coffy has been found. In the background of the automobile photo there appears to be an oil derrick with a pump arm and linkage to a hidden electric motor. Could this location be somewhere in Pennsylvania? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Who doesn't like panoramic shots. Some of the early oil fields that fed our antiques 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, LCK81403 said: What I see on the sign: XMAS AFTERNOON DECEMBER 25 '21 3 lines illegible 4th line virtually illegible but seems to have a set of three words followed by a "v" and a second set of three words (the "v" signifying "versus"?) 5th line illegible VIC HANSON YOUNG COFFY Assuming that December 25th is a day for recreation, perhaps there was a football or basketball game that day. One Victor Arthur "Vic" Hanson was born July 30, 1903, died April 10, 1982. He played football and basketball at Syracuse, and I believe he played professional baseball. In the photo with the automobile, it is possible the man standing proudly in the center could be Vic Hanson. No on-line record of Young Coffy has been found. In the background of the automobile photo there appears to be an oil derrick with a pump arm and linkage to a hidden electric motor. Could this location be somewhere in Pennsylvania? Seems it was a promotion for boxing match Signs suggest two errors Should be Hansen and Coffey. Probably why you couldn't find it on the web... • Vic Hansen boxer • (boxerlist.com) BoxRec: Vic Hansen • Walter Coffey boxer • (boxerlist.com) Here's a better quality version of the photo so one can see the details of the car better if needed. All credited to Michael J Semas Collection Edited August 16, 2022 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) Most of Mr Semas collection are of California, and an incredible collection it is... Antique Images from the Collection of Michael J. Semas | Facebook General Grant Park of Fresno CA entertaining family visiting from Iowa. Image taken 1909-1912 by M.G. Waterbury of Mountain View Studio, Neff's Mil Edited August 16, 2022 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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