twin6 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Thanks to all who identify the mystery cars, and enhance the photos. Here's another, reminding us cooler weather is ahead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varun Coutinho Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, twin6 said: 1910 Mitchell Model T Touring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varun Coutinho Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, twin6 said: Thanks to all who identify the mystery cars, and enhance the photos. Here's another, reminding us cooler weather is ahead. 1908 Corbin 30Hp Touring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varun Coutinho Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 7/25/2022 at 6:45 AM, twin6 said: 1908 Studebaker 40Hp Model B Touring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Captain Harley said: 1929 Cadillac All Weather Phaeton? Capt. Harley😉 it's a 1930 V-8 Fleetwood AWP, full louvres along the hood, '29 had 2/3 of the hood length , strange thing is the horn trumpets, way too long trumpets and not '30 V-8, short horn left side was oem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) On 7/24/2022 at 9:12 PM, twin6 said: Safe-D-Lites? Not sure, but the bumper looks like it’s a Weed aftermarket unit? And the big snubbers? Add in the lights…….makes an interesting photo to ponder. And also, the car is so new it was almost certainly fixed….. Maybe a photo demonstrating aftermarket safety items? Edited July 26, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Another interesting photo…….unusual side mount covers……look close. Front plate bracket is chrome…..rear plate looks to have an unusual topper? You don’t see that wheel choice too often……they also had steel disk wheels in 28/29. Looks like the photo may be taken across the pond. Neat puzzle! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRA Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, edinmass said: Not sure, but the bumper looks like it’s a Weed aftermarket unit? And the big snubbers? Add in the lights…….makes an interesting photo to ponder. And also, the car is so new it was almost certainly fixed….. Maybe a photo demonstrating aftermarket safety items? Bumpers seem to be correct for the car. Studebaker of that era used Biflex bumpers, I believe Lincoln used them too. Regarding to the snubber, it seems to be the original Gabriel Snubbers (interesting manual in the link) used in the EP series. The safe-d-lite is new to me. https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhudsonterraplane.com%2Ftech%2F1927%2FGabrielSnubbers-SkinnedKnucklesArticle.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde62437ef93240a9571008d80ace7196%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637271229226523027&sdata=4vi2eg33SYH2DgvYtthGXo5BkUAGE4JB8Uvtg2rjw5k%3D&reserved=0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I should of made the effort to look it up…….bumper and snubbers are stock……..I think 90 percent of Stude’s I have seen are all post 1930. Not sure I have ever seen one from this vintage, and certainly not recently. Interesting factory cowl lights also. In the photo the car appears to be large…….looking up modern photos it seems to be average size. Stude always made nice stuff……….and they were fairly prolific. More than many realize. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) On 7/24/2022 at 12:15 PM, Walt G said: Marmon V16 in Central Park in NY City, photo by John Adams Davis . Car is facing east . The tail light appears to be a Treslite that was also used by the 1931 to 1933 Franklin Airman series of cars. The Franklin used "Treslite" that was engraved on the top and had 2 mounting bolts on the back. The Marmon used "Marmalite" that was engraved on the top and had 4 mounting bolts on back. They were identical inside. The face with lens was interchangeable, but one had a raised face rim and the other had a smooth face rim. They were probably made by the same company. Also, the car doesn't appear to have any license plates. Edited July 26, 2022 by hook left out (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, hook said: The Franklin used "Treslite" that was engraved on the top and had 2 mounting bolts on the back. The Marmon used "Marmalite" that was engraved on the top and had 4 mounting bolts on back. They were identical inside. The face with lens was interchangeable, but one had a raised face rim and the other had a smooth face rim. They were probably made by the same company. Also, the car doesn't appear to have any license plates. OOPs, I made a mistake. The Marmalite does not have 4 mounting bolts only two like the Treslite. Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 Both lights were indeed made by the same company. It was not a huge task to swap the stamping dies around to either stamp in Treslite or Marmalite at the top when a run of the shells were in the press, depending upon the order and need at the time. The light rims on the two lights as mentioned ( thank you) were indeed different so far as the profile on the edge. A small number of companies - mostly producers of luxury cars in that era used/shared similar lights /headlamp lens etc. it was economically sound to do so. The Springfield built R-R that mostly had Brewster coachwork shared the same tail light as the Model L Lincoln . Most custom bodied cars of the 1925-1932 era all used hardware for the interior supplied by the Harry A. McFarland Co. of Manhattan ( NY CITY) Even bodies, fenders etc were shared jointly by some makes of cars , I did a story a few decades ago for Special Interest Autos magazine about how Hayes Body Co. supplied Reo, Franklin, and Marmon the same unit minus engine, hood, hubcaps, shell ( for hood front) so they could all offer the less costly car version for their particular make in the 1932-34 era. And customers for the most part did not see the resemblance nor think they were sharing the same major parts. More history rarely discussed but a very important part of what was going on in that era and the solution that was found acceptable to survive as a company even for just another year...............yes, I view things from a different perspective history wise , try to take in the whole picture to answer the question - WHY? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 11 hours ago, edinmass said: I should of made the effort to look it up…….bumper and snubbers are stock……..I think 90 percent of Stude’s I have seen are all post 1930. Not sure I have ever seen one from this vintage, and certainly not recently. Interesting factory cowl lights also. In the photo the car appears to be large…….looking up modern photos it seems to be average size. Stude always made nice stuff……….and they were fairly prolific. More than many realize. The mid/late 1920s was Studebaker's heyday era. Most years they made almost 100,000 cars - 1925 was I think only year over that. The Model EP Big Six ran two years - August 1924-August 1926 - and accounted for 40,000 sales. Unfortunately detailed production records don't exist so it would only be a guess as to how many roadsters were built. In New Zealand they were popular as service cars - predecessors to intercity buses - along with Cadillacs and Hudsons. This one served in the Kennedy Brothers fleet on the West Coast of the South Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRA Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: The mid/late 1920s was Studebaker's heyday era. Most years they made almost 100,000 cars - 1925 was I think only year over that. The Model EP Big Six ran two years - August 1924-August 1926 - and accounted for 40,000 sales. Unfortunately detailed production records don't exist so it would only be a guess as to how many roadsters were built. In New Zealand they were popular as service cars - predecessors to intercity buses - along with Cadillacs and Hudsons. This one served in the Kennedy Brothers fleet on the West Coast of the South Island. This one is a Big Six with optional 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. Very complex system with two pistons built in the gear shift box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twin6 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Another early rear entrance tonneau, possibly missing headlight lenses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nzcarnerd Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 From Auckland, New Zealand - courtesy of the Museum of Transport and Technology. Jessie Thorrington (later Jessie Horton) was a driver for Auckland Luggage Agency. The daughter of one of the owners, Geo Thorrington, Jessie drove luggage vehicles around Auckland as the agency was a furniture delivery and moving company. Photos are of Jessie with what is probably a new at the time Ford T van, her drivers license for heavy vehicles, and her business card. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 A 1920s fashion shoot. Any guesses as to what the car might be from the windshield and visor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRA Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 37 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: A 1920s fashion shoot. Any guesses as to what the car might be from the windshield and visor? Lincoln model L ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twin6 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I suspect this is another John Adams Davis photo, and the location is close to or the same as for the Marmon posted earlier. That has to be one of the most photographed locations in Central Park, perfect for cars with no distractions in the background. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LCK81403 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Hmmm. The background does distract from the automobile. Perhaps for publication the background "dead trees" were edited out of the final photo product. My eyes are less attracted to the car than to what appears to be the World War One battlefield at Verdun in the background. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 the location was obviously not something that put off any car manufacturer nor custom body builder from using John Adams Davis to photograph their cars for use in magazines, catalogs, etc. He was a most popular commercial photographer and in the top 3 of that field so far as photographing automobiles. Very few even came near his level of quality and that location was what he used for every car he photographed. this is not just my opinion, it is fact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Absolutely worthy of enhancement: Edited July 30, 2022 by 58L-Y8 corrected aspect ratio (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Much enhanced, much appreciated, thank you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twin6 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Imagine living in Armonk, NY back in the day, and stepping outside your home to watch a car race. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:CFAIEB01d787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edinmass Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I have a much better shot somewhere………there are two cars in our garage that were photographed in the same location……..both in 1929……… A PI and a Stearns Knight. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 8 hours ago, twin6 said: Imagine living in Armonk, NY back in the day, and stepping outside your home to watch a car race. :Looks to be 1908. #20 is Lewis Bergdoll on the Benz and #22 is William Watson on the Simplex. Going by the info in the link motor racing then was only for the very wealthy. First American International Road Race - Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: Absolutely worthy of enhancement: I was looking this car over a few weeks ago, in a fantastic collection owned by a gentleman. It’s now a light green, which is a crime. Edited July 31, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Mark had that for sale for years and years on his board at Hershey. Only closed waterhouse 4 door sedan I can think of. Always really like it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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