Period images to relieve some of the stress

[8E45E]

4 hours ago, J.H.Boland said:

Here's a couple more ads from the Farmer's Advocate magazine ca .August 1911. Both the Tudhope and Everitt were built in Orillia Ontario and are the predecessors of OTACO, who built the Autotrac years later.

I scotch taped these into an album when I was a teenager, hence the glue marks in the corners.

Previous to that was the Tudhope-McIntyre: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/general-studebaker-specific-discussion/54502-25-years-ago-this-weekend

 

There is one in the Canadian Auto Museum in Oshawa.

 

Craig

[LCK81403]

Hmmm.  This is an interesting photo.  Is the make and year of the motor car known?  This is the first I have seen a "porthole" window like it in an automobile top.

[LCK81403]

Regarding the attached photo.  The tires on this vehicle are white wall on both sides.  Were the tires manufactured that way or were they painted by the vehicle's owner?  Years ago when I was in high school I had a 1950 Plymouth that had white wall tires.  In those days I used commonly available white wall tire paint to dress up the rubber.  In its original state the tire was black wall but was painted to be a white wall.

[Bloo]

Prewar whitewalls were 2-sided, but these tires are probably far too old to be whitewall. The car looks to be from about 1910-1911. Black rubber for tires was not a common thing yet if it even existed when that car was new. I doubt it existed. The car looks nearly new in the picture. I would guess the tires are all white, but gray and natural rubber are also possibilities.

 

Edited January 13, 2022 by Bloo (see edit history)

[58L-Y8]

3 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

Hmmm.  This is an interesting photo.  Is the make and year of the motor car known?  This is the first I have seen a "porthole" window like it in an automobile top.

It's a Stutz, ca 1916-'17, either Series C or R.  This comparing photos in The Splendid Stutz, Edited by Raymond A. Katzell

[keiser31]

3 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

Hmmm.  This is an interesting photo.  Is the make and year of the motor car known?  This is the first I have seen a "porthole" window like it in an automobile top.

1917 Stutz?

Edited January 13, 2022 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[keiser31]

2 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

It's a Stutz, ca 1916-'17, either Series C or R.  This comparing photos in The Splendid Stutz, Edited by Raymond A. Katzell

Both typed at EXACTLY the same time!

[58L-Y8]

1 minute ago, keiser31 said:

Both typed at EXACTLY the same time!

That's funny.  I looked at it earlier today, drew a blank what make it was.   Just came back to it now, hit me instantly that it was a Stutz.

[Casper Friederich]

On 1/4/2022 at 5:46 PM, Casper Friederich said:

Professor Harald Kyrklund at Helsinki Polytechnics experimented  with gas generators way before WWII

Found this newsreel from 1938:

 

https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2006/10/05/hakapontot-bensan-korvikkeena

Svensk Motortidning also featured gas generators alredy in 1924. Scania-Vabis truck with gas generator:

 

At another occasion a similary equipped French Panhard-Levassor truck was presented.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Casper Friederich (see edit history)

[twin6]

[nzcarnerd]

A family in France with their, presumably new, 1929 Nash Standard Six.  The woman on the right, the grandmother of Bruno Desbois who posted the photo, went by the imposing name of Henriette Feuquer-Granghon.

 

 

Another of the same car with his grand father Paul Desbois, leaning against the door - 

 

[nzcarnerd]

An earlier photo of the Desbois family. As their later car was American I wonder if this one was too. Not much to go on - maybe Overland?

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

A photo posted on a facebook page captioned "Woman sitting sidesaddle on a Ford roadster, 1925". 

 

The car is certainly not a Ford but even though I am sure I have seen photos of a similar car with that distinctive mounting for the spare wire wheel I can't recall what it is.

 

Could it be a Stutz? It looks to be too long in the wheelbase to be a Stutz though.

 

 

I found this pic while researching this - a white knuckle ride?

 

 

 

[twin6]

Is the lady Nephile (Nephele?) Bunnell?  Here she is in a custom twin six runabout, possibly at Sheepshead Bay.

[twin6]

23 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

A photo posted on a facebook page captioned "Woman sitting sidesaddle on a Ford roadster, 1925". 

 

The car is certainly not a Ford but even though I am sure I have seen photos of a similar car with that distinctive mounting for the spare wire wheel I can't recall what it is.

 

Could it be a Stutz? It looks to be too long in the wheelbase to be a Stutz though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ruth McDonald at the Auto Fashion Show, Sheepshead Bay, June 23, 1917.  Still don't know the make of car, though.

Edited January 17, 2022 by twin6
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[41 Su8]

The footrest on the running board and the running board and the door on the side of the body (possibly for a seat) tell me it might be a Kissel.

[LCK81403]

Negatory, definitely not a Kissel.  Ron Hausman may be suffering heart palpations now.

[alsancle]

I vote Stutz.

[edinmass]

Ralph M is riding on the side seat on the early Stutz.......That’s Wayne driving..........

[nzcarnerd]

An 'uncropped' version -  

[nzcarnerd]

Another one from the same event. What is the car - a Winton maybe?

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

Another one from the Automobile Fashion Show at Sheepshead Bay. Unfortunately the photo is too small to blow up.

 

 

 

This may or may not be some help - 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

Another unidentified one from Sheepshead Bay - The hubcap suggests maybe Oldsmobile??

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

A Cunningham(?) with a Scripps-Booth at right rear. 

 

So far I have not found any more from that event. The photos are from the Library of Congress and more searching might find more.

 

Weirdly the photos here are on a Flickr page and are spread amongst a whole lot taken at a actors fundraising event. 

 

Ruth McDonald (LOC) | Bain News Service,, publisher. Ruth Mc… | Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

Off topic but among that bunch of photos taken at the actors event in 2013 was this one which reminded me of another one posted somewhere which went a long way towards explaining the difference between the 289 and 427 Cobras.

 

 

 

 

[twin6]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[twin6]

[ron hausmann]

22 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

An 'uncropped' version -  

Definitely NOT a Kissel. Cowl, running board, side door, windshield definitely not. Ron Hausmann

[nzcarnerd]

13 hours ago, ron hausmann said:

Definitely NOT a Kissel. Cowl, running board, side door, windshield definitely not. Ron Hausmann

And of course it can't be a Stutz because it has left hand drive. 

 

Is it possible the negative was printed back to front? What side does the Stutz have its mother-in-law seat?

 

Is that a custom steering wheel??

 

 

[ron hausmann]

4 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

And of course it can't be a Stutz because it has left hand drive. 

 

Is it possible the negative was printed back to front? What side does the Stutz have its mother-in-law seat?

 

Is that a custom steering wheel??

 

 

It’s not a seat drawer as a Kissel or Paige would have. That door is likely for golf club stowage. I’m not aware that Stutz ever used a side-seat configuration as Kissel, Paige, or Pilot did. Quite rare. And dumb.

Ron Hausmann P.E.

[twin6]

[28 Chrysler]

27 minutes ago, ron hausmann said:

It’s not a seat drawer as a Kissel or Paige would have. That door is likely for golf club stowage. I’m not aware that Stutz ever used a side-seat configuration as Kissel, Paige, or Pilot did. Quite rare. And dumb.

Ron Hausmann P.E.

A golf bag would not need a foot rest.

[keiser31]

28 minutes ago, ron hausmann said:

It’s not a seat drawer as a Kissel or Paige would have. That door is likely for golf club stowage. I’m not aware that Stutz ever used a side-seat configuration as Kissel, Paige, or Pilot did. Quite rare. And dumb.

Ron Hausmann P.E.

I would think that the braces on the running board for feet would indicate a seat is hiding behind that little door.

[LCK81403]

The photo of this automobile continues to be a mystery.  Two versions of this photo have been posted, one of them is a reversed image.  The photo here probably is the true image because the annotations on the photo reads in correct order, "Ruth McDonald" and "4248-1".  Hence the automobile probably is am American model, a roadster / speedster that has a right-side suicide seat (the fold down door and foot rest).  The spare tire and wheel mounts on the rear similar to the auto in the second attached photo, supposedly identified as a 1915 Crane Simplex runabout.  I can not vouch for the accuracy of the '15 Crane Simplex identification, because of both accuracies and mistakes in identifications on the WWW.  The Crane Simplex photo doesn't really say 1915 to me, but it is the only identification I have associated with the photo.  At any rate, the rear deck with the spare tire seems to accord with the mystery car and the Simplex, however the windshield does not compare at all.  The construction of the windshield on the mystery car is most definitely unique.

 

[edinmass]

 

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb.........C-3 Cunningham with a best guess  Blue Ribbon Body done in NYC. I think it's a special-special. The steering wheel controls don't look like regular Cunningham, and that's going to be the clue that ID's the car.........neat photo, and I love a mystery.

[edinmass]

 

 

Anyone want to ID the car the lady with the gun is sitting on?

 

 

 

[1912Staver]

1915 Cadillac V8 ? Probably at least 8 or ten years old at the time of the photo.

Edited January 19, 2022 by 1912Staver (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

4 hours ago, ron hausmann said:

It’s not a seat drawer as a Kissel or Paige would have. That door is likely for golf club stowage. I’m not aware that Stutz ever used a side-seat configuration as Kissel, Paige, or Pilot did. Quite rare. And dumb.

Ron Hausmann P.E.

It was suggested elsewhere that it was a seat drawer because of the foot rest on the running board.

[nzcarnerd]

3 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

The photo of this automobile continues to be a mystery.  Two versions of this photo have been posted, one of them is a reversed image.  The photo here probably is the true image because the annotations on the photo reads in correct order, "Ruth McDonald" and "4248-1".  Hence the automobile probably is am American model, a roadster / speedster that has a right-side suicide seat (the fold down door and foot rest).  The spare tire and wheel mounts on the rear similar to the auto in the second attached photo, supposedly identified as a 1915 Crane Simplex runabout.  I can not vouch for the accuracy of the '15 Crane Simplex identification, because of both accuracies and mistakes in identifications on the WWW.  The Crane Simplex photo doesn't really say 1915 to me, but it is the only identification I have associated with the photo.  At any rate, the rear deck with the spare tire seems to accord with the mystery car and the Simplex, however the windshield does not compare at all.  The construction of the windshield on the mystery car is most definitely unique.

 

 I have seen photos before where the negative has been printed back to front and the caption added later - which just adds to the confusion.

[nzcarnerd]

2 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb.........C-3 Cunningham with a best guess  Blue Ribbon Body done in NYC. I think it's a special-special. The steering wheel controls don't look like regular Cunningham, and that's going to be the clue that ID's the car.........neat photo, and I love a mystery.

Is that steering wheel a regular production item or a 'special'? It appears that 'cross tube' is what supports the two inner half circles.  I wonder what the shiny fitting clamped the to column is holding.

 

It is unfortunate that all of these photos from that Auto Fashion Show are quite low res and can't be blown up much.

 

Did you have any thoughts on the four seater on disc wheels and what look to be Oldsmobile hubcaps?

 

Looking at the group photo of the girls on the big wire-wheeled Winton there seems to have been no concern about the 'scruffy' ground.

[nzcarnerd]

2 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

 

Anyone want to ID the car the lady with the gun is sitting on?

 

 

 

It is either a Type 51 or a Type 53. Apparently for the Type 53 the hood was raised a little so that 'the transition in the cowl from the hood is less abrupt'. I reckon this one could be a 53.