alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 8 hours ago, TG57Roadmaster said: Walt, It certainly has the appearance of a circa-1917 Locomobile Model 48 Type Sportif Victoria. I'm sure the owner of this one knows which car is in Al's photo. TG We need a Locomobile expert but I believe they are the same car. I didn't love the color choices, but the restored car is fantastic. I spent about 20 minutes talking to the owner, who restored it over a long period in his back yard barn. It is really a cool car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Love the Loco.......have never seen it out or at a show. With that color choice I would remember. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Just now, edinmass said: Love the Loco.......have never seen it out or at a show. With that color choice I would remember. If you had gone to the Eastern Grand Classic like I told you to you could have sat in it. Edited April 11, 2020 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 The owner of the Locomobile that is restored and shown here is a GREAT GUY and did an outstanding restoration of a wonderful car. Colors are original to the car , and must have made a very bold statement to everyone who saw it when new and is still doing the same thing now over a century later. It seems that the Locomobile owners is as dedicated to that make as much as some other makes of 'orphan' cars ( Franklin, Pierce Arrow, Hudson, Packard, Reo etc) are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I scanned a couple more of the cars going around the race track. Looks like a parade around a horse track. Early AACA event? Glidden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Anybody know what this is? Way out of my area of expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 It’s probably a VMCCA event in New England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, alsancle said: Anybody know what this is? Way out of my area of expertise. Brighton era horseless carriage...........need anything else identified? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, edinmass said: Brighton era horseless carriage...........need anything else identified? Thanks. could you tell me how many wheels it has, I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Interesting the color on the Loco is original. I know in this hobby you should never say never, but I would have bet anything it was way off the mark. I’m not sure I would have restored it to the original, and I’m a purist. It just doesn’t look right. Another lesson learned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 Is that an early Knox? I had a ride in a car like this in the front seat down some narrow roads in north eastern Wales , within view of the ocean, about 35-40 years ago. I fortunately did not fall out !! It was an interesting sensation to go down the road with absolutely nothing in front of you that was a part of the car . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I was in the Knox club for 20 years, and by no means an expert. Doesn’t look like one to me, but that’s just a guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 Car has four wheels although difficult to see in this photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 google images for 1903 or 1904 Knox model C. one of these shows a similar car in Great Britain, that probably is the car I rode in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 The Locomobile was built for the founder of Rexall Drugs and is finished in its original colors of Pacific Coral and Deep Slate Blue-Gray, colors very similar to those of Rexall. The owner is a really nice fellow who has garnered multiple club and concours awards with his restoration. Locomobile Co. of America - Designed By - Locomobile Custom Department. TG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanleyRegister Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, alsancle said: I scanned a couple more of the cars going around the race track. Looks like a parade around a horse track. Early AACA event? Glidden? This is definitely Raceland. Possibly 1950, and I think the car in front is a Stanley belonging to Evans Larson. This body doesn't seem to be Stanley's standard roadster. I've always wondered about this and have no idea where this car ended up after it went to an E. S. Johnson in Florida. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, StanleyRegister said: This is definitely Raceland. Possibly 1950, and I think the car in front is a Stanley belonging to Evans Larson. This body doesn't seem to be Stanley's standard roadster. I've always wondered about this and have no idea where this car ended up after it went to an E. S. Johnson in Florida. Let me go see what other pictures of that car I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I have some more interesting pictures that I think are Stanley from around the same time. I'll post them down in the Steam forum so as to keep this thread on track. Probably this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Need specs for that elusive 1929 Kissel White Eagle Coupe-Roadster you've been chasing? The AACA Library & Research Center has scanned their entire collection of the Motor Car Directory and the 1904-29 Hand Book of Automobiles, an excellent source for research. http://www.aacalibrary.org/articles/antique-automobile/hand-book-of-automobiles-1904-1929/ You can find them here on the Library & Research Center's Facebook page, every issue including cars, buses, trucks, and more! https://www.facebook.com/pg/AACALibrary/photos/?ref=page_internal Happy Hunting! TG Edited April 11, 2020 by TG57Roadmaster (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I thought Knox was late to the steering wheel, and only late 04’s had them..............or is my memory faulty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1904 Knox photos on line do not show steering wheels. They all show tillers from 03 & 04, and the body on the car in the photo doesn’t look like a Smith-Springfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, alsancle said: Anybody know what this is? Way out of my area of expertise. I have seen two autos in person with that drop-down front footrest; a 1903 Pierce Motorette in the Gilmore Museum, and a 1906 Adams-Farwell in the National Automobile Museum in Reno. It sure appears to be a Pierce Motorette to me. Craig Edited April 11, 2020 by 8E45E (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Woolf Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Possibly an early Mercedes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 hours ago, alsancle said: Yes. I believe we had more discussion about it in the Lincoln thread down in the CCCA forum. There were two built if I recall correctly. Somewhere I have seen photos of the hinges in design - the hinge has a dovetail integrated into it - neat design and probably worked just fine for a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: Somewhere I have seen photos of the hinges in design - the hinge has a dovetail integrated into it - neat design and probably worked just fine for a couple of years. Ford's much later 'Magic' doorgate from 1966 comes to mind. The major difference is all the other US automakers and Toyota Crown picked up on it, and the Honda Ridgeline still uses it for their truck tailgate. Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, edinmass said: 1904 Knox photos on line do not show steering wheels. They all show tillers from 03 & 04, and the body on the car in the photo doesn’t look like a Smith-Springfield. Photo from mid 70's: The relative that had the 1932 RR PI also had this 1904 Knox Truck - it was I believe a NY Sanitation vehicle and they bought it from Dave Dominion when working on the RR - I also believe it had a tiller now that you mention it. Edited April 11, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Also from the Creative Workshop Facebook page - as a sidnote, I recall watching their television program regarding the early Kissel they restored and Pebble Beach; and how laborious they were at documenting with a particular discussion as to their installing buttons across the seat back - well, not many surviving unrestored cars, but plenty of very early restored cars and you just have to get a feel for if they took the time or not when car was done to get it correct - AKA why original period photographs are so important to find. As a sidenote - I lean toward no buttons on the seat back - just deep pleats. Edited April 11, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 The '05 Humber was only for medical men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Back when travel and border crossings were less stressful. A Stutz and an Abbott Detroit on tourist runs into Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Two more early cars with a fold down front seat. Stevens-Duryea with the Cape Top and a Locomobile steamer. Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 No info on this one, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) The Peerless Motorette appearing in Outing Magazine in late 1900 was illustrated with a fold-down front seat. .............Not unlike the Pierce Motorette of 1901, both being licensed from De Dion Bouton of France. Edited April 11, 2020 by jeff_a (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, edinmass said: Brighton era horseless carriage...........need anything else identified? Trick question, right? It is a Pierce Motorette, note the drop in the tube frame. The steering wheel is on a 1904. Bob Edited April 11, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: Trick question, right? It is a Pierce Motorette, note the drop in the tube frame. Bob Pierce drawing has a tiller and no armrests on the front seat (while car in photo has a steering wheel and armrests). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) ^^^^ I added the photo of the '04 with the steering wheel. Here is another with the seat opened. 🙂Bob Edited April 11, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 A better look at the unknown chain drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 The Locomobile was built for the founder of Rexall Drugs and is finished in its original colors of Pacific Coral and Deep Slate Blue-Gray, colors very similar to those of Rexall. The owner is a really nice fellow who has garnered multiple club and concours awards with his restoration. That can't be unseen, if it had been my car I'd rely on the best black and white photos I could find. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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