Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Have the rear side windows been filled in, or was this car built this way? https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/aguanga-packard-club-sedan/6874913248.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Only thing wrong with it is that it's to far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I always think that club sedans are sexy, but I can understand if others find them claustrophobic. I'm puzzled by the paint. Is that primer/sealer, or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) The door jams still show dark blue. The seller states there were no club sedans made in '39, yet claims this is one. Edited May 5, 2019 by GregLaR (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Packard has made sedans with the rear-quarter windows filled in. I'm sure that Packard aficionados can tell us more, but here is one 1947 long-wheelbase sedan that was for sale a few years ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Interesting "prototype" comment, I would like a look at the 1941? Packard Cabriolet/Phaeton/Convertible in the garage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefit Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Only thing wrong with this car is It's not mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike36 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I was disappointed with the picture of the back seat. Al Capone should be sitting in there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 About 5 years back a young lady posted about a 39 120 sedan she inherited, consensus was her dad or someone filled quarter window on it, a relatively rough project car. If you are still looking for a nice 30s car Greg, you might consider the 35 120 club sedan in this month's hmn. I know the car, he is one state over and a long term owner. Just aging out, which we are sadly seeing a lot these days. It is legit, sidemounts as well, a nice quality interesting Packerd, has it all except CCCA acceptance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 That's not a lot of money for what looks like a pretty good car. If you are part way thinking about it this girl might convince you to just buy it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Almost everything works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) An attractive car whether factory or someones later conversion (also notice the "appropriate" rounded rear door corner and how drip molding extend to door hinge area) - if solid and in decent condition it will make a nice car - look at it, have someone look at it for you, or insist on 200 more pictures. Edited May 5, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 notice the armless donut chaser - I think that was used on some EAnthony cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) Greg, I'm not sure, but I wonder if maybe you're unfamiliar with club sedans as a whole? There should be a wide variety on Google, if you are interested. John Mereness's observation about the drip rail being appropriately curved leads me to think that this club sedan isn't someone's handiwork, but a genuine one of a kind prototype. I think that it's a possible value and worth checking out. Edited May 5, 2019 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I don't know if it's a prototype but I'll admit I've never seen that body style before on the 120 platform. Traditionally club sedans have been shorter than a regular sedan with the rear seat ahead of the rear axle (hence the term "close coupled" sedan). Here's my '29 Cadillac, which is a standard 5P sedan, compared to a '30 club sedan: That seems to have changed through the '30s and by the time my '35 Lincoln was built, it was not much more than a difference between two windows and three in the same body shell (although I think Packard still made "close coupled" club sedans through '37 or '38). I guess my Lincoln is technically a club sedan even though it's little more than a standard sedan with the quarter windows blocked off like the Packard, above. Is it worth noting that I've never seen another one and can't even find a photo of one on Google? It's certainly unusual. But I still don't think that makes it any kind of rare prototype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) I agree with Matt, I would probably not call it a one-off as much as just an oddity. Perhaps, Packard made such for the Canadian, European, South American, or ... market. Perhaps, a 1940 body on a 1939 drivetrain/trim. Or, perhaps someone just liked to weld (but in this case fine as looks good and price certainly is not out of line). I did see pictures of a "Bohman & Schwartz car, but the Bohman & Schwartz part is the running board delete, replacement lower sill, and chrome gravel guard on the rear fender (typical of several Packards I have seen - there is even one locally in a 39 or 40 160 Convertible) in various series car and very much a "thing" that company did. https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/ds-1940-packard-120-custom-club-sedan/ Edited May 5, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Packard added the four window club sedan for only the 1940 Eighteenth Series to the 120, 160 and 180 127" wheelbase models, none in 1939 Seventeenth Series, dropped it for 1941. Presumably this was in anticipation of the new Clipper to arrive mid-season. This car was discussed on our PackardInfo Forum at one time when it was offered on Craigslist. Some conclusion were drawn on how it may have come to be. I'll locate the topic and post a link. Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Thanks Steve, I would like to read that info. And thanks to all who have replied. This car has been for sale for quite a while, which seems odd to me as I also think the price is fair. It is not that far away from Palm Springs so I think I will go look at it this week. John, thanks for the tip on the door edge and drip rail. I had not spotted that. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 GregLaR Here's the link: http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20543&forum=4&post_id=202101#forumpost202101 Includes another link to a AACA Forum thread where this car has been discussed before. Anytime one runs across a club or formal sedan of questionable origin, the telltale is always the upper rear door frame which if its original will have the correct curved form and conforming drip molding. No one trying to create a club or formal sedan from the six window styles bothers to go to the trouble to get this key detail correct. Simply closing or "blanking out" the quarter window doesn't do the job. Not surprisingly, these ersatz efforts always seem to be credited to a custom coachbuilder with commensurate prices. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Greg, others will correct me or add additional info to my thoughts here, if they feel inclined. I just want to say that I always think of close-coupled sedans or club sedans as sort of classy and intimate up scale urban vehicles. I don't think of them as family cars. I'm sorry, but Plymouth never offered a club sedan in '38!( LOL) Pierce Arrow: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 The seller's ad says it is a rare prototype, and it does not appear to me there is room for a quarter window in this body style (except a very small triangular one). So my vote goes with the seller's description, and I'm betting he did more research than any of us. A steal at $11K. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Ain't it fun to tease the Rolls-Royce guys about their Clipper knock offs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 If you follow Steve's link to the Packard discussion, then their link back to an AACA discussion, you will see Greg's asking about this car in 2017!😲 Hey, it comes with a necker knob!😉 Are the clear/white lights below the headlamps a Packard accessory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 34 Dodge DS. Deluxe special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 They were building traditional club sedans in 1937: However, it does look like they were building cars like the one in the ad in 1940, so maybe the prototype story holds water? Or is it just a '40 body on a '39 chassis? Or a '40 that has mix-and-match parts on the nose and a typo on the title? We may never know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) Matt, I agree it might be any of those possibilities. Would not be unheard of a company having a "next year body" ready in July/August and plunk it on a current year chassis to meet demand if they were out of current year bodies. A good forensic restorer could likely narrow the answers. Regardless, a nice example of a pretty rare car. Edited May 6, 2019 by Gunsmoke (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 IMHO a 35 to 37 jr. Club sedan, even the 115 6, is a really cool, affordable Packard. I would avoid the subject car, too much question as to whether its fish or fowl... Nice examples like the 35 in MA or the one Matt posted are out there. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 16 hours ago, Frank DuVal said: If you follow Steve's link to the Packard discussion, then their link back to an AACA discussion, you will see Greg's asking about this car in 2017!😲 Yes Frank, I noticed that as well. I had forgotten that I'd asked about this very same car a couple of years ago. Like I said, it's been for sale quite a long time, at an affordable price, so I can only guess that many have looked and passed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 23 hours ago, 60FlatTop said: Ain't it fun to tease the Rolls-Royce guys about their Clipper knock offs. All that RR above has are dark-tinted quarter windows. Here is a 1967 Phantom V James Young with NO quarter windows like the Packard(s) being discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Greg, You'll notice that even Ford got in on the idea by marketing their "blind back" and "leather back" sedans. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/winnipeg/1929-ford-model-a-leather-back-sedan/1378025984?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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