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Then and now: where did these prewar cars go?

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28 minutes ago, Lozierman said:

The blue and white Lozier is part of the collection located in Hickory Corners.  The black one is now painted blue and is the same Lozier pictured below it.  This 1914 Lozier is now in a collection in Russia.  The yellow Lozier shown is a 1915 Model 82, made into a Meadowbrook from a chassis found in Delaware many years ago.  It is now located in the Tupelo museum in Mississippi.

 

Is the yellow one the one that Les Hunsberger from Phoenixville, PA had restored by Ralph Buckley? If so, it's the car I remember from Memorial Day parades in Wayne and the Philadelphia Vintage Grand Prix.

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I think the Hunsberger car still looks like it did when restored - here's the 1967 Antique Automobile cover photo.  What a magnificent car.

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Not sure where it is now - maybe still with that family?

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It looks even better now.  It is residing in the Atlanta GA area.  The owner is extremely satisfied with the performance of this Lozier.

I actually had the pleasure of driving this car back in 1969 when Dr. Hunsberger still owned it.  Quite the car.

 

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4 hours ago, A. Ballard 35R said:

 

Is the yellow one the one that Les Hunsberger from Phoenixville, PA had restored by Ralph Buckley? If so, it's the car I remember from Memorial Day parades in Wayne and the Philadelphia Vintage Grand Prix.

No.  Dr. Hunsberger's Lozier is the green one shown elsewhere on this topic.  

 

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5 hours ago, Lozierman said:

Yes, this is the 1913 Model 72 Lakewood Torpedo, T-head, owned by Charley Parker and now owned by his family.  I personally visited Charley one time and he provided me the history of the car and where he found it.  Interesting it came from Turner Valley Alberta, and my last name is Turner, but no relation.  It did go to CA a few years ago, for motor work.  It has been done and is now back with the family.

Now I seem to recall reading about a prominent oilman from that area who was very well off, and 'drove around in a Lozier' according to local newspapers and magazines that have written a history of drilling for oil in Alberta.  The person and his company and where I actually read it escapes me right now, but I will keep my eyes open should I run across anymore historical reads about someone from over 100 years ago who 'drove around in a Lozier.'

 

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According to a 1967 newspaper article, Parker purchased the car in 1950 from the Moodie estate - presumably referring to Frank Moodie, Alberta oilman.  It would be really interesting to read something from the teens about a car that still exists.  And only two family owners in 105 years!

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1 hour ago, StanleyRegister said:

It makes the price of the Hunsberger Lozier , last time it was for sale 15 years ago ? seem reasonable.  I seem to recall it was in the $300,000.00 range.  Lozierman  do you have a better recollection than I do.  Definitely one of my all time favorite Brass cars, I have pored over every detail in the 1967  Antique Automobile article many , many times.

 

 

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When I was a kid we used to tour with Paul Tusek who had a 1913 Lozier 7-passenger touring that was as big as a garage. When I was 10, I could stand up in the back of that car with the top up. He used to hammer that thing down the road at like 60 MPH. That was one of those amazing road locomotives that make brass cars so spectacular. Paul died a few years ago and I always wondered what happened to the car. It had to be quite valuable, although I don't really know what kind of number such a thing would bring just because I'm not sure what model it was--all I know is that it was ENORMOUS.


I believe he bought it from Richard Shreve if that's any help. Does anyone know the car or where it went?

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13 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

When I was a kid we used to tour with Paul Tusek who had a 1913 Lozier 7-passenger touring that was as big as a garage. When I was 10, I could stand up in the back of that car with the top up. He used to hammer that thing down the road at like 60 MPH. That was one of those amazing road locomotives that make brass cars so spectacular. Paul died a few years ago and I always wondered what happened to the car. It had to be quite valuable, although I don't really know what kind of number such a thing would bring just because I'm not sure what model it was--all I know is that it was ENORMOUS.


I believe he bought it from Richard Shreve if that's any help. Does anyone know the car or where it went?

Yes I do.  It was sold to a man in CA who drove it and broke the crankshaft.  It was sold to another CA man wo had a new crankshaft made and got it running again.  It is a Model 72 T-head, and can be found on the cover of a HCCA magazine a few years back.  I don't mean to be elusive about who owns the Loziers I am speaking about, but without their permission, I want to be thoughtful in maintaining their privacy.

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12 hours ago, StanleyRegister said:

Re the color Alberta photo - C. N. Parker of Red Deer, Alberta drove this car on the 1958 tour from Fernie to Vancouver.  He experienced magneto trouble which put him behind the other participants for a while, but he eventually caught up.  Maybe this photo is from part of the troubleshooting.

 

He also entered the car in a cross-Canada centennial tour in 1967, but the license plate was different at that time.

 

There's a small clue that this car moved to California in 2009, destination there unknown.

 

***  This is a current picture of the 1913 Lozier Lakewood Torpedo.  Yes, the car is still with the family of whom I've been acquainted with since the mid 1990's...      The car has been restored including the engine but to the best of my knowledge it hasn't seen any time on the road since the early 1970's.   She's comfortably tucked away... for now...

 

R Morrow

Surrey, BC

 

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12 hours ago, StanleyRegister said:

Re the color Alberta photo - C. N. Parker of Red Deer, Alberta drove this car on the 1958 tour from Fernie to Vancouver.  He experienced magneto trouble which put him behind the other participants for a while, but he eventually caught up.  Maybe this photo is from part of the troubleshooting.

 

He also entered the car in a cross-Canada centennial tour in 1967, but the license plate was different at that time.

 

There's a small clue that this car moved to California in 2009, destination there unknown.

 

***  This is a current picture of the 1913 Lozier Lakewood Torpedo.  Yes, the car is still with the family of whom I've been acquainted with since the mid 1990's...      The car has been restored including the engine but to the best of my knowledge it hasn't seen any time on the road since the early 1970's.   She's comfortably tucked away... for now...

 

R Morrow

Surrey, BC

 

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It's wonderful to know the Parker Lozier has been rebuilt following that fire.  Here's Francis Ludington's 1911 American Underslung model 30 (5 passenger ) at an event in New York City in 1959.  Does anyone know its current whereabouts? 

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I think the Ludington American Underslung went through Dragone Classis Cars within the last 10 years, his Type 59 Bugatti is  in England last I knew. Bob 

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Thanks, Bob.  I'll keep looking.  I'm in touch with someone who has a similar car restoration project, a basket case, and would like to make contact with the current owner. 

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1 hour ago, twin6 said:

Thanks, Bob.  I'll keep looking.  I'm in touch with someone who has a similar car restoration project, a basket case, and would like to make contact with the current owner. 

Good to know there are still brass era basket cases out there, hope all the major parts are there. Bob 

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On 12/27/2018 at 3:09 PM, West Peterson said:

 

Paul. I was always under the impression that the only known correct and authentic Regal Speedster was the 1911 that we owned. I'm aware of a few that were built up from existing chassis. Also, it did not have a big engine. The Regal underslung used Regal's small 20hp engine. Here's the one we had, which has since been sold and has gone overseas.

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      West,

      See my posts of 12/20/ & 12/27/18 in this thread.

      1912Regal.thumb.jpg.80a08da501158d87166a8afadb10f694.jpgBoy how time effects memory.  I found the pictures below of what I thought was a 1912 Regal Speedster.  Not an underslung at all,

      but probably an old speedster made form a full sized car.  i wish  could have bought it back then, but no such luck.  I guess my

     memory was better than the car.

     I 1912Regal.thumb.jpg.80a08da501158d87166a8afadb10f694.jpgreally enjoyed seeing yours!  If I had seen that one then,I would have run away form the one I saw.

     

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I have since found a couple of ads from the 1950s for Regal Speedsters. One I think is the car we owned, but I'm fairly certain the other wasn't. So, there may be another authentic Speedster (or two) out there somewhere.

I wish the one pictured above was still in one of our garages. My brother Webster says it was such an uncomfortable car to drive that he couldn't wait to get rid of it.

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46 minutes ago, West Peterson said:

I have since found a couple of ads from the 1950s for Regal Speedsters. One I think is the car we owned, but I'm fairly certain the other wasn't. So, there may be another authentic Speedster (or two) out there somewhere.

I wish the one pictured above was still in one of our garages. My brother Webster says it was such an uncomfortable car to drive that he couldn't wait to get rid of it.

I guess that is the flaw in driving cars, if I owned that REGAL I could look at it for the rest of by life and be happy knowing it was parked in my garage. Bob 

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Here's another mystery Lozier - not much to go on in the photo.  referred to at various times as a 1910, 1912, or 1913, Whitney Snyder drove it on the 1951 & '52 Glidden tours.

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2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I guess that is the flaw in driving cars, if I owned that REGAL I could look at it for the rest of by life and be happy knowing it was parked in my garage. Bob 

 

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That's the way I feel about it, too, but it makes for a pretty expensive piece of garage art. I think I would have put up with the discomfort of driving it as often as I could.

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2 hours ago, StanleyRegister said:

Here's another mystery Lozier - not much to go on in the photo.  referred to at various times as a 1910, 1912, or 1913, Whitney Snyder drove it on the 1951 & '52 Glidden tours.

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As you said, there isn't much to see to adequately identify it.  It isn't a 1910 as the radiator would be "rounded" rather than flat across the top.  Also, with the Solar Model 148L headlamps it would either be a late 1911 or early 1912.  While I do have a lot of information on who owned Loziers over the years, this one has me stumped.  Hopefully someone will provide other photos of this car.

 

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On ‎12‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 4:55 PM, Paul Dobbin said:

West Peterson said in regard to the 1912 Regal:  Paul. I was always under the impression that the only known correct and authentic Regal Speedster was the 1911 that we owned. I'm aware of a few that were built up from existing chassis. Also, it did not have a big engine. The Regal underslung used Regal's small 20hp engine. Here's the one we had, which has since been sold and has gone overseas. 

"Your's was an awesome car, the one I looked at I thought was a made into a Speedster from a Touring car, although I'm not sure.  I'll look for the pictures in a file for that event.  I thought it had a large displacement

4 cylinder that could be made to develop enough torque to be a good distance driver. 

A 1909 Regal currently in the LeMay Museum in Tacoma.

 

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Here's a flock of '14 (?)  Loziers - maybe some of them are the same car? 

 

An unrestored car in 1954 -

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A. R. Cheek in Denver in 1964 -

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A car that was at MovieWorld in the '80s -

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A car that was on the HCCA National tour last year -

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